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The only reason I posted that picture of Kim was because that's the frame Netflix stopped on when I hit pause yesterday. Thought it was funny. That post was my first visit to this thread. I've just started watching the series after missing its first run back in 1995. That was my final year of college, and I was really busy, and kind of burned out on Star Trek after non-stop TNG & DS9 (actually, I stopped watching DS9 about the same time). Anyway, I'm through 1:10 "Prime Factors," and I'm amazed at how much I've forgotten in 20 years. I remember literally nothing aside from some of the main characters. I remember that Chakotay was lame, and the Doctor was entertaining. But the one thing I've taken away after this re-watch is: Janeway is a horrible, horrible captain. Well, I mean, she's written as a horrible captain, but Kate Mulgrew does a good job. I've been watching Orange is the New Black, so I got used to seeing her as a old fat lady. Tuvok is good, and shows a surprising amount of character growth, considering he's Vulcan. I don't know why everyone hates on Neelix, he's not bad. Kes sucks. Torres is paper-thin and I hope her character gets better (Worf went from a one-note tune to being awesome, so there's hope). They've done almost nothing with Paris so far, but I assume he remains a major player in the series. He looks like the guy from Friends. 
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Lincoln posted:I don't know why everyone hates on Neelix, he's not bad. gently caress you
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Jul 10, 2016 15:20
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I enjoy watching people break themselves like waves upon jagged rocks as the true horror of Voyager reveals itself to them. Please keep posting your hopes, assumptions and reactions.
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Jul 10, 2016 15:25
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voyger... IS GOOD!!! *sobs uncontrollably*
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Jul 10, 2016 15:29
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Lincoln posted:Torres is paper-thin and I hope her character gets better (Worf went from a one-note tune to being awesome, so there's hope). They've done almost nothing with Paris so far, but I assume he remains a major player in the series. He looks like the guy from Friends. Torres does not really unless you think having child is character development. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Automatic Slim posted:Torres does not really unless you think having child is character development. Paris goes from being a Lothario to a beta male. He's probably forced to be pegged every night. "Forced" Suuuuurrrrreeee.....
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shadow puppet of a posted:I'm in love with this. If only $29.99 US dollars wasn't an exponentially-expressed value in my failed petro-state dollars. It's too large of a file anyway. But if anyone wants to buy it, send me a PM and I'll finda way to get it down to 10 kb.
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Lincoln posted:. I don't know why everyone hates on Neelix, he's not bad. "What do you know of these people?" 'Theyre dicks we should avoid them/I've heard they like MLP Fetish porn/uhhh, never heard of them' Plus they move out of his area of expertise way quickly. The writers decided to make him a Cook, then a Morale Officer, because they didn't really know what else to do with him. So he winds up making lovely food and getting in other people's business like crazy. S1 also has him beef with someone over Kes. So he's also massively insecure over his pedo relationship to boot.
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Jul 10, 2016 18:39
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I like how Janeway went against the crew and got rid of Tuvix, even though he was more useful in every sort of way.
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Jul 10, 2016 18:49
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So here's some Voyager minutiae: we all know Nicholas Locarno ≠ Tom Paris for money reasons, but I was watching that Barclay episode and in a scene in Admiral Paris' office he mentions Tom and the Admiral looks worriedly down to a photo on his desk.... and its a picture of Nick Locarno ripped straight from the Nova Squadron inquiry. I wonder if that writer got his paycheck for this episode.
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Jul 10, 2016 20:38
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*stares intently at monitor in quarters* *5 blips converge briefly* holy space balls, they pulled off the kolvoord starburst!!!!
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etalian posted:I like how Janeway went against the crew and got rid of Tuvix, even though he was more useful in every sort of way. never forgot they murdered the poo poo out that poor cat-vulcan bastard janeway stares him down as he literally begs for his life
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That episode is awesome because he's easily better than each crewmember he replaces, and the Voyager crew live with Tuvix for Weeks/Months. And Janeway aborts him because reasons. The final shot of her walking down the corridors with faux concern really fails to sell it too.
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Jul 10, 2016 22:14
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FilthyImp posted:That episode is awesome because he's easily better than each crewmember he replaces I dunno, Tuvok's constant sarcasm and utter, obvious contempt for Neelix makes him pretty awesome.
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Mondian posted:I dunno, Tuvok's constant sarcasm and utter, obvious contempt for Neelix makes him pretty awesome. And he ice cold stole Harry Kim's girl with his moves on that kal-toh playing space barfly chick.
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Jul 10, 2016 23:04
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There was the episode where Neelix was dead for like 7 hours but then brought back with Borg technology thanks to 7 of 9. He promptly had a meltdown because he didn't see Talaxian heaven. If he's that concerned with souls, shouldn't be have been at least a bit upset that he was able to merge souls with another being and then separate without issue?
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Jul 10, 2016 23:06
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Janeway is Michael Vick and the rest of the crew are dogs who won't stop pissing on the carpet.
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criscodisco posted:There was the episode where Neelix was dead for like 7 hours but then brought back with Borg technology thanks to 7 of 9. He promptly had a meltdown because he didn't see Talaxian heaven. That's so loving funny because almost every other alien afterlife turns out to be 100% real.
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Jul 10, 2016 23:21
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I like that episode where Tuvok gets stuck on that moon with the Benjamin Button kids and they badger the hell out of him.
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Mondian posted:I dunno, Tuvok's constant sarcasm and utter, obvious contempt for Neelix makes him pretty awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlv_02fRyY
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Apollodorus posted:That's so loving funny because almost every other alien afterlife turns out to be 100% real. i dunno, the one on voyager where the people turn into spider webs when they die, everyone seemed to be pretty bummed out by where their heaven was. Although if my afterlife turned out to involve Captain Janeway i'd be pissed too. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Emanations_(episode)
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Lol just lol if you think I didn't remember the details of that episode. That one is the main reason I said "almost every other"
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Neelix was definitely annoying when he first appeared on the show, but I think he got more palatable as the series went on. Especially after Kes died and he got a little less happy-go-lucky. I think he worked as a good foil for Tuvok.
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Bloodfart McCoy posted:Neelix was definitely annoying when he first appeared on the show, but I think he got more palatable as the series went on. Especially after Kes died and he got a little less happy-go-lucky. I think he worked as a good foil for Tuvok. Being a "foil" to the only sane person on the ship is not a good thing.
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VOY S1E5 The Cloud So apparently Netflix won't let me make screenshots, but whatever. The sample of the unknown substance from the coffee nebula in this episode shows a picture on the Doctor's screen of the nucleogenic peptide bonds. That exact same screen is on the shuttlepod behind Kira in DS9 S3E15 Destiny as the schematic of the wormhole (I think). I just watched them back-to-back or I wouldn't have even noticed. Also, didn't TOS do a "inside a giant space critter" episode? Robert Picardo wandering around while muted is fantastic. From the moment Janeway said "Is this pool or billiards?" I knew what was coming. Akoonah matata!
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Unimatrix I & II Borgs return to their original personalties in a dream world. The Borg Queen hunts down drowns in real life. The dream drones contact 7/9 to introduce a virus to infect the rest of the Borg. Janeway, Tuvok, & Torres receive 'neural suppressants' and allow themselves to be assimilated and go under cover to slip in the virus/ subroutine / maguffin to the hive. First off, considering how Borg are chopped up and mutilated, allowing yourself to be assimilated is risky and unwise. Introducing this plot point minimizes the horror of being assimilated to s game of tag. The Borg Queen takes away the hook and mystique of the Borg. The Borg was a wave of impersonality and forced obedience. Having a queen just means there's a bad guy giving orders. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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That was the episode that took the Borg from an unstoppable, unthinking force to the cholo on the corner waiting to mug you.
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vortmax posted:VOY S1E5 The Cloud You might like this. Some guy spazzes out about fonts and visual effects in movies. In this particular entry he points out the same graphics used in Blade Runner and Alien (both Ridley Scott films).
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'You're beautiful when you're scanning.' Anyone want to take bets on which cretin said this and in which episode? Edit: About Neelix, before slowly fading into obscurity, I remember him sometimes being a bit nasty and referring to the crew as 'idiots' and other descriptives. I'm presuming his personality did a complete change an episode later, but it was better than what he became. Velisarius fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Velisarius posted:'You're beautiful when you're scanning.' This can't be a real thing. Tom Paris?
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That horny bald doctor?
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Velisarius posted:'You're beautiful when you're scanning.' I think Chakotay is a good dark horse candidate here.
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It's probably B'lanna from that episode she got the Heisenberg compensator stuck up her.
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tbf to harry kim his astounding ability to not get laid saved him from that planet of succubi
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Jetrel is a pretty good episode except for the transporter technobabble bullshit at the end.
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Met posted:Jetrel is a pretty good episode except for the transporter technobabble bullshit at the end. Isn't that the one where we meet that hero who wiped out a load of Talaxians?
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He was no hero. The government and military that decided to use the weapon were the heroes. It's a particular distinction.
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Anyone who has a hand in killing Talaxians is a hero. Unless Neelix is the absolute worst member of his race. That would explain why he's bumming around space on his own in a lovely ship, trying to save a three year-old he's been grooming. I may have judged Talaxians too harshly.
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Voyager is fascinating as it suffers from being at a time when everything was peak Trek. It's oddness makes some sense when you look at it as a mass production product that's popular across the globe. So to break away from the odd man out, which was DS9, you have to go back to basics (final frontier) but with none of that really being new you aim for the lowest common denominator. So you have a show that's cozy and family friendly and has plots that can be translated across languages and cultures.Any real continuity of characters kind of dies as they get locked into their ranks and roles to be wheeled in and out depending on the situation. As a result nearly all of the characters exist in seven years of existential hell at the command of a Captain who is meant to be a voice of stability and reason but comes off as unhinged as the part is written with one note as the poor actress struggles to play it with chords. Which is why the comedic characters like the Doctor tend to draw the crowd as they function as a giant wink to the audience at the growing absurdity of the situation as Voyager slowly becomes a family camper van in space. Of course such an interesting setup of having a lost ship goes to hell as any continuity has to be thrown out to accommodate the fact you're having a series that may or may not get aired in the correct order or potentially skip whole seasons on a regular basis, as it was the case in Australia where Trek was shoved to 11pm timeslots and would blink in an out of existence. In small doses the show worked. Which is likely why any episodes that involve the ship being destroyed are potentially the best as there's something actually at stake beyond an alien annoyance/hallucination/holodeck malfunction of the week neatly tied up in thirty minutes. It's no surprise Ron D Moore eventually quit out of frustration as Voyager magically replaced shuttles and torpedoes and the tension of being lost in space evaporate as it turned into a low-rent version of TNG.
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