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CLAM DOWN posted:This is illegal, maybe be assertive and stand up for yourself? This was several years ago. But even ignoring the implicit victim blaming, you can imagine that the circumstances there are such that I might not want to or feel comfortable debating legal obligations with my cabbie at 3AM the day after Halloween. Ironically my options for recourse is are also significantly fewer and more time consuming than they are with the unregulated private service; if I reported a driver for doing similar things with Uber he'd be off the platform by the end of the day.
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CLAM DOWN posted:This is illegal, maybe be assertive and stand up for yourself? Cabs do illegal things like that all the time, and it's nearly impossible to actually get them punished for it.
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Patrick Spens posted:The surge pricing was lovely, but the alternative to surge pricing isn't everyone paying regular rates to flee. It's people getting stuck because there aren't enough drivers. Are we just going to pretend that changnig the regulations for taxi companies isn't an option or what? blah_blah posted:In many cases Uber is less than half the cost of a cab anyways so it's not like even 2x is a big deal. I don't own a car, almost never take public transit, and I only spend 1-2k a year on ridesharing services. It's almost as if Uber pay their drivers minimal wages so they can undercut regular taxis and eventually gain a stranglehold on the market. Also let's not use the bullshit term ridesharing, it's not carpooling and even the AP agrees. Jordan7hm posted:Uber is bad but surge pricing is not why it is bad. Variable rate pricing is standard practice in pretty much every industry. It's certainly not standard practice in every industry, what are you talking about? Time-of-use pricing for public transit/taxis exists but is not that common. It's rare for most other goods and services. Time-of-use pricing is more common for electricity, I guess, but in many places you can opt out. Variable pricing is not bad in and of itself, if it serves some useful purpose. It's arguably a good idea for public transit - if fares are higher during rush hour, it can incentivize travel before/after the traditional rush hour times and spread the peak load, reducing costs. I don't see what purpose Uber's opaque variable prices serve other than to make Uber more money. Whether it does significant harm or not or should be banned, I don't know, but I'd be drat annoyed if grocery stores and restaurants and other shops changed their prices by the hour. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jul 10, 2016 |
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eXXon posted:It's almost as if Uber pay their drivers minimal wages so they can undercut regular taxis and eventually gain a stranglehold on the market. Also let's not use the bullshit term ridesharing, it's not carpooling and even the AP agrees. Yeah the biggest argument against Uber/Lyft is definitely their treatment of drivers, and their increasing efforts to drive the costs of human capital as low as possible. To a lesser extent their refusal to agree to stringent background checks for drivers is also a reasonable argument (this usually goes hand in hand with demands for more stringent vehicle inspections, but your typical UberX vehicle is much newer and in much better shape than your typical cab in practice). But surge pricing is actually a good thing. eXXon posted:I don't see what purpose Uber's opaque variable prices serve other than to make Uber more money. Literally all it does is increases supply of drivers on the road when demand is high. From a consumer perspective the service is useless to you if there are no drivers, and this is basically the Econ 101 response to that (which turns out to work really well in practice). re: ridesharing, I wasn't trying to make any point in my previous post beyond finding a text substitute for writing 'Uber/Lyft' a lot, but that article is from Jan. 2015 and in the meantime actual 'ridesharing' services (UberPOOL/Lyft Line) have become a much larger fraction of the services of the two companies.
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How is surge pricing "opaque"? It's determined by an algorithm based on demand and the available supply of drivers and clearly shown to the user before the ride begins. I don't see how it could be any more transparent, frankly.
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blah_blah posted:This was several years ago. But even ignoring the implicit victim blaming, you can imagine that the circumstances there are such that I might not want to or feel comfortable debating legal obligations with my cabbie at 3AM the day after Halloween. Ironically my options for recourse is are also significantly fewer and more time consuming than they are with the unregulated private service; if I reported a driver for doing similar things with Uber he'd be off the platform by the end of the day. I don't give a poo poo about victim blaming when it comes to posting anecdotes on a comedy forum. PT6A posted:Cabs do illegal things like that all the time, and it's nearly impossible to actually get them punished for it. I've had one cabbie once try to pull something and it was very easy to contact the company and get it addressed. More anecdotes hurray!
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PT6A posted:How is surge pricing "opaque"? It's determined by an algorithm based on demand and the available supply of drivers and clearly shown to the user before the ride begins. I don't see how it could be any more transparent, frankly. I like how you're conveniently ignoring the lengthy post I made about the negative public safety and disability access issues with Uber but instead you latch onto this easy issue of surging that frankly isn't even all that important, nor is it the "only" thing wrong with Uber. Surge pricing is the least of any concern involved with Uber, yet it's such a low-hanging fruit for you to grasp at and pick away until by proxy you've "won" your point about Uber. This seems to be a recurring theme with your posting of conveniently ignoring those who call out your flawed logic, and instead latching onto the more knee-jerk posts that rip into you, or attaching yourself against low-hanging fruit that one guy here mentioned amidst the multiple others talking about something more nuanced and important. But keep kicking those strawmen over, sure makes your position look strong.
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blah_blah posted:Yeah the biggest argument against Uber/Lyft is definitely their treatment of drivers, and their increasing efforts to drive the costs of human capital as low as possible. To a lesser extent their refusal to agree to stringent background checks for drivers is also a reasonable argument (this usually goes hand in hand with demands for more stringent vehicle inspections, but your typical UberX vehicle is much newer and in much better shape than your typical cab in practice). Well, let's see how long that lasts. If drivers aren't actually making enough money to make ends meet, how long until the supply of eager first-time drivers with new cars runs out? blah_blah posted:But surge pricing is actually a good thing. Is surge pricing actually necessary to get drivers to where they're needed most? blah_blah posted:re: ridesharing, I wasn't trying to make any point in my previous post beyond finding a text substitute for writing 'Uber/Lyft' a lot, but that article is from Jan. 2015 and in the meantime actual 'ridesharing' services (UberPOOL/Lyft Line) have become a much larger fraction of the services of the two companies. Is it really a big share in Canada? Anyway, it's not that you're trying to make a point, it's that they're trying to frame the debate the way the tar sands turned into oil sands. PT6A posted:How is surge pricing "opaque"? It's determined by an algorithm based on demand and the available supply of drivers and clearly shown to the user before the ride begins. I don't see how it could be any more transparent, frankly. Would you prefer "unpredictable"? If you're going to an event and planning on taking an UberX home afterwards, do you have any idea what the surge rate is going to be?
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eXXon posted:I don't see what purpose Uber's opaque variable prices serve other than to make Uber more money. It gets more drivers on the road when demand is high. Edit: Well I've been thoroughly beaten. Thread is moving fast all of a sudden. I guess I should have known since Uber discussions make people mad.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I don't give a poo poo about victim blaming when it comes to posting anecdotes on a comedy forum. How did they "address" it? When it happened to me, I was home before I actually had the opportunity to phone them, and they didn't offer me a voucher or anything. I've contacted companies directly as well as the city regulatory agency regarding actual moving violations as well and the general answer is "unless you can prove it in court, get hosed." P-Value Hack posted:I like how you're conveniently ignoring the lengthy post I made about the negative public safety and disability access issues with Uber but instead you latch onto this easy issue of surging that frankly isn't even all that important, nor is it the "only" thing wrong with Uber. Surge pricing is the least of any concern involved with Uber, yet it's such a low-hanging fruit for you to grasp at and pick away until by proxy you've "won" your point about Uber. I'm not interested in arguing with you because I don't disagree with you on a lot of those things. Why would I bother arguing against a point I agree with? Uber does have real problems that need to be addressed, although I'd argue that the "inspections" aren't really doing their job, because goddamn is the taxi fleet ever in a sorry-rear end state everywhere I've ever been. Why is "these specific criticisms of Uber are bullshit" being read as "Uber is faultless and perfect?" It's not black and white.
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eXXon posted:Would you prefer "unpredictable"? If you're going to an event and planning on taking an UberX home afterwards, do you have any idea what the surge rate is going to be? This is fair. I wouldn't mind if Uber provided an option to schedule a ride in the future at a fare determined in the present. I think they've been hesitant to do that. Of course, you can always schedule a ride with a conventional cab company....
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Helsing posted:Oh look, somebody with extra money thinks its completely logical that they should have the right to jump to the front of the line. What a shock. In your own words explain how markets clear. Follow up question: Do you believe good quality labor should be rewarded for their efforts ? Remember, left of center populists believe in rewarding labors productivity gains to promote social stability. Keen to hear your response Helsing.
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eXXon posted:Would you prefer "unpredictable"? If you're going to an event and planning on taking an UberX home afterwards, do you have any idea what the surge rate is going to be? No. In that case, do a time call to a taxi or limo service, and all the issues go away. You know what the rate will be ahead of time, and they'll arrive precisely when you want them to. I do it all the time, particularly at times when taxis are in high demand or low supply. So simple!
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P-Value Hack posted:I like how you're conveniently ignoring the lengthy post I made about the negative public safety and disability access issues with Uber but instead you latch onto this easy issue of surging that frankly isn't even all that important, nor is it the "only" thing wrong with Uber. Surge pricing is the least of any concern involved with Uber, yet it's such a low-hanging fruit for you to grasp at and pick away until by proxy you've "won" your point about Uber. I only really brought up surge pricing to illustrate that Uber is not some grassroots civil disobedience ridesharing economy social movement, they're just some Silicon Valley dicks who had a few good ideas but are otherwise using aggressive, occasionally predatory practices to enlarge their share of the taxi market. That and most of the rest of the bullshit sharing economy is not something that I think ought to be encouraged. If there is something fundamentally wrong with the way taxis do business, I'd prefer to see it addressed by: 1. Better public transit so that taxis don't need to be used as often in the first place, and: 2. Thoroughly studying what exactly is wrong with the taxi industry and what policies could be adopted from Uber/Lyft to improve it, instead of rolling over for their lobbyists, and: 3. Dropping the pretense that UberX is a ridesharing service, AirBnBs that are remted for 200+ days a year are not hotels, people selling food out of their homes aren't restaurants, etc.
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PT6A posted:How did they "address" it? I got an apology and a voucher, along with a promise they'd deal with it internally. Whether or not they did (I doubt it) I dont really care, because as a customer I was good with the response. I don't like posting a lot of details publicly online, I'm pretty careful with SA, but via PM I could tell more?
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eXXon posted:Would you prefer "unpredictable"? If you're going to an event and planning on taking an UberX home afterwards, do you have any idea what the surge rate is going to be? Oakland Martini posted:This is fair. I wouldn't mind if Uber provided an option to schedule a ride in the future at a fare determined in the present. I think they've been hesitant to do that. Of course, you can always schedule a ride with a conventional cab company.... I would argue that yes, you have a reasonable expectation of how much your UberX home will cost (especially if you've been using the service for a while, know what the holidays are, etc), and that the variation in costs is not conspicuously different from those in taking an ordinary cab. Time in car is penalized much higher in cabs than it is in Uber/Lyft. This can easily create a 25-50% variation in prices in high-traffic times, which is not so different in effect than surge pricing.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I got an apology and a voucher, along with a promise they'd deal with it internally. Whether or not they did (I doubt it) I dont really care, because as a customer I was good with the response. I don't like posting a lot of details publicly online, I'm pretty careful with SA, but via PM I could tell more? I've never got a voucher, even after reporting a driver who ran a stop sign, a driver who violated the distracted driving law, and a driver who backed down a busy 4-lane street because he was too stupid to take the correct turn the first time. I also didn't get a voucher when a cab driver sped off when I told him where I was going (it was a very short fare, I think he wanted one that would make him more money). Did you at any point demand a voucher, or did they offer? Maybe I should've asked.
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eXXon posted:Well, let's see how long that lasts. If drivers aren't actually making enough money to make ends meet, how long until the supply of eager first-time drivers with new cars runs out? That's why Uber started its own subprime financing subsidiary that targets people who wouldn't otherwise qualify for a lease on a new car! quote:Damascus Durham, 28, got a lease from Xchange in January and picked up a 2016 Chevy Cruze from Team Superstores in Vallejo, California. "I only became an Uber driver for the car," he said. He pays $200 a week.
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Again, it's not a "scam" so much as it's a way of convincing people, legally, to pay you more money. A scam implies deception or criminal activity.
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Like payday loans you see.
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Payday loans are worse because people can be forced into them to pay for necessities. A car loan for a brand new car is much less problematic.
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PT6A posted:Payday loans are worse because people can be forced into them to pay for necessities. A car loan for a brand new car is much less problematic. There was an argument a while back about how Uber drivers fell into two categories. The people who do it regularly and actually lose money once you factor in insurance, gas and wear. Then the other people who can do it in a crunch to earn a few quick bucks. Still at a loss but lets them generate cash quickly for a future loss. Instead of the payday loan companies profiting though, Uber's investors and the riders profit while getting to give the finger to disgusting cabbies so huzzah.
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This just dropped on Canadian Netflic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB_Kh1LgFOA Watch it instead of talking about loving Uber.
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http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...al-stampede-bbq    amazing. canadians make it a national sport to revile american white trash and here we have the elite of the canadian conservative FREE MARKET right embracing a poo poo culture. enjoy never making money again alberta shitheads  lmao
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WTI will never again break $60, just like it never dropped below $100.
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keep chasing that dream shithead
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namaste faggots posted:keep chasing that dream shithead Prices are cyclical. Namaste.
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 look at that it's like a perfect sine wave
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namaste faggots posted:look at that it's like a perfect sine wave  Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia
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blah_blah posted:Uber and Lyft are fantastic from the consumer perspective, and destroying an entrenched monopoly in a couple of years (as they've done in several major markets) is no small feat. I'd suggest that they are definitely on to something. More torn shirts and tantrums in Edmonton City Council, at the very least.
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Swinging things back to Uber for a moment. Corporations gonna, uh, corporate?
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I'm with CI on this one: gently caress Uber, but gently caress taxi companies even harder.
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Some of my peers from university are starting to work at Uber in Alberta and my god from Facebook you'd think its the coolest, hippest, and most millenial loving company in the world. Got the ping pong table in the office even!
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Argas posted:Swinging things back to Uber for a moment. Opposition research is a longstanding staple of litigation. Ask your personal injury or family law lawyer friend about it. (She will be the one who drinks constantly and is never happy).
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Bullshit. There's no way they can beat #hootsuitelife
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I know that most of you guys don't follow the comments section of CBC, however the major changes CBC is doing to make their comments section not an embarrassment has lead to some pretty awesome results, with the top comments for any news story being a variation of:quote:Thank goodness we are allowed to comment about things that really matter. Thanks CBC. You give people a voice on topics that really matter. LOL> quote:UFC commenting open, this is too hilarious can you be more arrogant with taxpayers' money, CBC? They're angry that the CBC has banned comments on any story that involves First Nations, they have to use their real names, and comments are disabled on more stories, so commenters cannot just be racist shitheads like they were before.
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https://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=202065610 Capitalism always finds a way.
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Finally, a chance for the free market to step in and really shine, without all that government interference.
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https://twitter.com/Patience_Yi/status/672530853147246592?s=09 #hootsuitelife #unicorn #techbro
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Uber is this generation's Wal-Mart. Of course nobody actually wanted the economic nexus of the modern city to be a giant big-box store located way in the boonies, filled with minimum-wage employees selling cheap made-in-Bangladesh crap they don't know anything about. But it was cheaper and more convenient that way, so...
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