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Radish posted:Yeah I'm reasonably sure the majority of the alt-right and Trump supporters have no urge to ban pornography or make teaching the bible part of the US history curriculum. They may hate women and minorities, but they aren't for the fun hating aspects of social conservatism that the Christian right likes to promote. The vibe I'm getting is that we'll see more of some sort of mish-mash of late 2000's libertarianism and some sort of group of people that all think they're Jim Norton or something. (not mean't as an insult towards Jim, who is talented) They wouldn't want porn, violent movies/games or anything censored. But they also will cry foul every couple of minutes when someone dares question if those things are sexist in nature.
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seiferguy posted:Is the RWM hitting hard on the fact that Alton Sterling was a convicted rapist? It's something that even BLM activists are having a hard time mulling over: It's the same thing over and over again. Bors said it best with his Zimmerman acquittal tagline - "Trayvon Martin found guilty on all counts"
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Taeke posted:A ban on violent movies would hinder propaganda pieces like that Michael Bay poo poo, same with games and CoD and stuff their base loves to play. I'm not proposing banning anything. It'd probably make things worse. I just noticed a long time ago that cultures and nations who ban sex or get too uptight about it seem to have more issues with violence. The US and Saudi Arabia spring to mind. I've never understood the double standard and the logic with it all. Like, I have a 5 year old son. I WANT him to grow up and have sex and one day see naked people because it's aesome. I hope he NEVER feels like he needs a gun or ever has to shoot one or kill anybody. So why is one deemed so dangerous and the other so celebrated? If we're worried about the message it sends it seems like a duplicitous message to send. i.e. There's things on regular old TV I never want him to see (people getting their heads blown off, etc.) or emulate but I guess a set of tits is taboo and too much for him to handle because lord knows the damage that might cause. It's one of the first he ever saw as a newborn (tits). Nope. Time to grow up, son, and learn about the real world. See that guy getting shot on TV? That's heroic. I guess the right to bare tits isn't in the constitution.
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Jul 11, 2016 19:46
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seiferguy posted:Is the RWM hitting hard on the fact that Alton Sterling was a convicted rapist? It's something that even BLM activists are having a hard time mulling over: I'm gonna need to see the lap splits on his swim times before I do anything here.
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Jul 11, 2016 19:47
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BiggerBoat posted:I think he's saying that Europe doesn't flip their collective poo poo over the sight of a naked lady like the US does and seem to take it in stride but has a different approach to violence and guns. For instance, in the way cops in the UK and France aren't even armed. It's not a fresh or a new observation. Diane Rheem had a guest on just discussing this today. I get what he's saying about the difference between attitudes to sex in media, but the implication that european reaction to violent media is in any way similar to America's fear of sex is what threw me. There's definitely differences in how violence and especially gun violence are treated here, but there's not really any "fainting" about media violence. GMEEOORH fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Jul 11, 2016 19:51
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GMEEOORH posted:I get what he's saying about the difference between attitudes to sex in media, but the implication that european reaction to violent media is in any way similar to America's fear of sex is what threw me. There's definitely differences in how violence and especially gun violence are treated here, but there's not really any "fainting" about media violence. I know that some media gets changed to be less violent when it comes out over there, see Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (where they also changed Mikes nunchaku into a grappling hook or something, if memory serves), and Contra becoming probotector, which was probably the neatest thing ever when I discovered emulation in the late 90's.
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Jul 11, 2016 20:04
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Breitbart got Fox News' biggest company-line sycophant to talk all about how stupid Getchen Carlsson is - http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-should-matter/ TL;DR Roger Ailes did nothing wrong. Also no sign on Breitbart's page about their 3rd in command that got locked up overnight for taking pictures of police.
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Jul 11, 2016 20:06
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seiferguy posted:It's something that even BLM activists are having a hard time mulling over: I wasn't aware being an ex-con was punishable by on the spot execution. In other words: who loving cares? It doesn't matter.
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Jul 11, 2016 21:47
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Goatman Sacks posted:Breitbart got Fox News' biggest company-line sycophant to talk all about how stupid Getchen Carlsson is - All wingnuts are blood sucking backstabbing shitheels news at 11.
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Jul 11, 2016 21:50
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Jul 11, 2016 22:08
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I see pissbaby Walsh is taking a page out of the Trump playbook and using the bullhorn.
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Jul 11, 2016 22:10
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Doctor Butts posted:I wasn't aware being an ex-con was punishable by on the spot execution. Seriously. It doesn't matter who it was; the fact that two cops tackled a guy to the ground, pined him and smashed his face into the asphalt, then shot him four times in the back is appalling.
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Jul 11, 2016 22:16
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I can't believe it doesn't enter anyone's head that they took Dylan-Motherfucking-Roof alive, but apparently the guy selling CDs was too dangerous.
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Jul 11, 2016 22:41
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The more I think about Tony Perkins and the fact that Mike Pence is being entertained for the VP position? The more I think about how I'm going to be voting for Hillary purely out of spite this election. At first I was on the fence. I was angry at the Hillary wing of the party getting their way and abandoning a lot of principles I held dear. I almost wanted them to lose just for the sake of them having to reorganize and have some truly progressive principles. I realize that's an awful standpoint to have. I know that. I felt lovely but it was how I felt. When you start having a party platform that includes banning porn, violating the separation of church and state, spying on people in restrooms and endorsing conversation therapy? All bets are off. I at least like the idea of Trump rallying parts of the population to be against trade deals, realizing that interventionism is trash and not doing stupid poo poo like privatizing social security. That? I am pleased with. But when you start having complete and utter IMBECILES having a say on a major party platfom? No. gently caress off. Tony Perkins should be having trouble finding work right now. He should be about as relevant as David Duke, and his idiotic FRC/AFA lackeys should be about as relevant as Stormfront. It's a loving JOKE that he gets to have a say about what goes on at a major political party when average americans (WHO ARE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.) get shut out. I mean god forbid we work on getting people job's and ensuring people aren't dying from lack of healthcare. No, no, WE GOTTA WORRY ABOUT THE GAY BOOGEYMAN GUYS! Sorry, I'm angered, I'm triggered, but I'm fed up with these people. The sooner we can relegate them to being banished from the political system? The better. Then we can all move on with our lives.
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Jul 11, 2016 22:44
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Jesus The Republican platform committee just voted to officially call coal a "clean" source of energy RNC delegate: “All of the mass killings that have taken place, they’re young boys from divorced families and they’re all smoking pot." RNC platform committee supports plank "rejecting the dark view of the individual as human capital." Added to GOP platform: “The Endangered Species Act should not include species such as grey wolves." Republicans reject a platform amendment on a national registry for child murderers “We have pornography being taught and offered as literature in Michigan,” says one delegate, in support of teaching Bible in schools GOP platform committee approves plank opposing “policies that encourage cohabitation."
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Jul 11, 2016 22:45
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What's the gay conversation thing about? Do they want to install dick-shock torture dungeons in the basement of every school and public university, ala BYU?
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Jul 11, 2016 22:47
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Man, he's not even trying to hide it anymore. These past few months have broken him so much that he can't even bother to mask his malice in fake Christian concern. Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Jesus Seriously, who are they think they are winning over? Are they that desperate? Has Cruz just finally snapped?
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Jul 11, 2016 22:48
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FuzzySkinner posted:The more I think about Tony Perkins and the fact that Mike Pence is being entertained for the VP position? The more I think about how I'm going to be voting for Hillary purely out of spite this election. You can become an activist under Clinton to try pushing her to the left with vocal disapproval and public action. Presidential elections aren't really how you change things anyway, unless you're in the Trump death cult and you want to destroy the world.
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Jul 11, 2016 22:52
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Geostomp posted:Seriously, who are they think they are winning over? Are they that desperate? Has Cruz just finally snapped? System is working as intended.
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Jul 11, 2016 22:53
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Jul 11, 2016 22:56
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Republicans reject a platform amendment on a national registry for child murderers I assume that was after someone pointed out that they already have a list of Trump delegates
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Jul 11, 2016 22:56
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FuzzySkinner posted:The more I think about Tony Perkins and the fact that Mike Pence is being entertained for the VP position? The more I think about how I'm going to be voting for Hillary purely out of spite this election. So you didn't know the Republican party well enough before this to know what you'd have been getting if Hillary lost? I voted for Bernie too but in all practical facts Hillary hasn't actually abandoned much of anything from his platform. For all that Bernie is great he was not running all that far outside of the new Democratic mainstream with his policy positions. If anything, the prospect of having a leftist perspective as the chief executive was the most progressive thing about his candidacy, and the benefits of that would have been totally undefinable until the events of his administration actually occurred. Progressivism is on the rise in the Democratic party and Hillary's platform is obviously catering to that - for one thing, it's a lot better than her platform 8 years ago. At this juncture a loss for the Democrats would not lead to "truly progressive principles" - it would cast Bernie as the new McGovern who led Hillary down the garden path and got Trump elected. Every establishment Democrat would flee back to Third Way centrism in a heartbeat. That's what loving happened last time the left was strong in this nation. tl;dr: I'm glad you are voting for Hillary
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Jul 11, 2016 22:59
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Geostomp posted:Man, he's not even trying to hide it anymore. These past few months have broken him so much that he can't even bother to mask his malice in fake Christian concern. Seriously. I know party planks are just red meat and all but it's really hard to sell the "Trump is the crazy one unlike the rest of us" when their platform is more bonkers than him.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:02
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
What the gently caress do these even mean. What is 'rejecting the dark view of the individual as human capital'. Examining them as human capital seems ideal for big business doesn't it? also which dude hates Grey Wolves and why. That sounds like a fascinating prejudice.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:04
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Stallion Cabana posted:What is 'rejecting the dark view of the individual as human capital'. Examining them as human capital seems ideal for big business doesn't it? It means secret Russian leftists have infiltrated the Republican platform subcommittee via bodysnatchers and are now manipulating the process to advocate for FULL SOCIALISM NOW!
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Jul 11, 2016 23:08
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Stallion Cabana posted:also which dude hates Grey Wolves and why. That sounds like a fascinating prejudice. Agriculture supporter. Cattle/sheep ranchers want to literally extirpate wolves from the north american continent.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:09
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Stallion Cabana posted:also which dude hates Grey Wolves and why. That sounds like a fascinating prejudice. It's probably some Western ranching dipshit that thinks that making grey wolves extinct is his duty to protect his cattle or sheep.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:10
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Stallion Cabana posted:What the gently caress do these even mean.
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Doctor Butts posted:I wasn't aware being an ex-con was punishable by on the spot execution. I didn't mean to make my statement sound like concern trolling. No, he shouldn't have been killed like that. After every black death, there's always the "They were no angel" speech from the media, whereas BLM and supporters basically say exactly what you said that having a checkered past should not constitute death. Black Lives Matter tries to focus on the fact that black women and trans people face additional oppression on top of being black, so there's a small issue when you defend someone who's sexually assaulted women in the past. Overall, the theme seems to be "it's better to judge them alive than dead" which is probably a good thing.
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Jack Gladney posted:What's the gay conversation thing about? Do they want to install dick-shock torture dungeons in the basement of every school and public university, ala BYU? Not make them mandatory. But they do want the federal government to approve of and support them.
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Jazerus posted:So you didn't know the Republican party well enough before this to know what you'd have been getting if Hillary lost? I voted for Bernie too but in all practical facts Hillary hasn't actually abandoned much of anything from his platform. For all that Bernie is great he was not running all that far outside of the new Democratic mainstream with his policy positions. If anything, the prospect of having a leftist perspective as the chief executive was the most progressive thing about his candidacy, and the benefits of that would have been totally undefinable until the events of his administration actually occurred. Progressivism is on the rise in the Democratic party and Hillary's platform is obviously catering to that - for one thing, it's a lot better than her platform 8 years ago. At this juncture a loss for the Democrats would not lead to "truly progressive principles" - it would cast Bernie as the new McGovern who led Hillary down the garden path and got Trump elected. Every establishment Democrat would flee back to Third Way centrism in a heartbeat. That's what loving happened last time the left was strong in this nation. I knew this is what the GOP's true colors were, but my sincere hope was that Trump parroting some left leaning positions would encourage the GOP to follow suit. They've always been a racist, sexist, homophobic party...but my hope was they could be at the very least? Apathetic about LGBTQ rights, and women's rights. The racism thing is never going to change, but at least we could get SOME things done in regards to poo poo trade deals and being interventionist in the mean time. I can "tolerate" apathy. I can't tolerate actively thinking of ways to gently caress over various groups via some evil captain planet villain style set of bullshit laws. I was hoping with Ted Cruz dropping out and his rear end being roasted in Indiana? This would be the true end of the Religious Right, and at the very least we could engage in some sort of discussion on economics in this country. Our trade policies SUCK and it seems like people on both sides are really waking up to that. With the news today....that's clearly not the case, and it's kinda confirmed I need to vote against the GOP to ensure that these shithead zombies are sent out to pasture one more time.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:This. the alt right has most of the lovely parts christian right without some the lovely morality police parts. With an added dose of open and proud racism rather then concealed racism. RNC platform committee supports plank "rejecting the dark view of the individual as human capital." Actually shouldn't that be a good thing. People shouldn't be just viewed as resources should they?
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If Black Lives Matter Isn’t A Racist Hate Group, Then Can Someone Please Explain To Me Why I Keep Insisting They Are?
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Jul 11, 2016 23:28
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Rick_Hunter posted:It's probably some Western ranching dipshit that thinks that making grey wolves extinct is his duty to protect his cattle or sheep. Yup. They spend a lot of effort and money to create the illusion that they are dangerous to people when they aren't at all in order to make killing them legal.
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seiferguy posted:I didn't mean to make my statement sound like concern trolling. No, he shouldn't have been killed like that. After every black death, there's always the "They were no angel" speech from the media, whereas BLM and supporters basically say exactly what you said that having a checkered past should not constitute death. Black Lives Matter tries to focus on the fact that black women and trans people face additional oppression on top of being black, so there's a small issue when you defend someone who's sexually assaulted women in the past. Overall, the theme seems to be "it's better to judge them alive than dead" which is probably a good thing. "Defend" and "point out that the police shouldn't be killing people they are merely curious about who they really don't have good reason to be curious about in the first place" are very different. The cops couldn't have known about his past, which is irrelevant to why they stopped him. Even if he was their shooting suspect from that night, they had no business killing him. That's where the focus is from what I've seen/heard.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:RNC platform committee supports plank "rejecting the dark view of the individual as human capital." Huh. What's the story behind this one? ... this doesn't sound like them at all, which makes it strange to be seen in all the other things that do.
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Morroque posted:Huh. What's the story behind this one? ... this doesn't sound like them at all, which makes it strange to be seen in all the other things that do. They object to the human part
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Xanderkish posted:If Black Lives Matter Isn’t A Racist Hate Group, Then Can Someone Please Explain To Me Why I Keep Insisting They Are? Wait. That's really his position? I thought it was a joke article or some piece on the dogwhistling of the right wing, not that someone is seriously using their own views as proof of their own views. I'm still hoping it's a joke so that I don't have to see just how self-deluded someone can be. Edit: It is, in fact, a joke. Thankfully. I am just dumb.
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Geostomp posted:Wait. That's really his position? I thought it was a joke article or some piece on the dogwhistling of the right wing, not that someone is seriously using their own views as proof of their own views. I'm still hoping it's a joke so that I don't have to see just how self-deluded someone can be.  
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