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WebDog posted:Voyager is fascinating as it suffers from being at a time when everything was peak Trek. It's oddness makes some sense when you look at it as a mass production product that's popular across the globe. Seven of Nine had nice boobs though.
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Now through 1:12 "Heroes and Demons," which I liked, probably because of Picardo, who I hope gets a lot of screen time in this series. I actually liked most of the TNG "oops holodeck" episodes, so I may be in the minority. At this point, I kind of wish they were in more dire straits. Being stranded far away from home is fine, but they could really ramp the drama up if the ship was more badly hosed up. The only real sacrifice they have to make is that they have to grow their own vegetables. I sort of thought that's what they were going to do after I watched 1:1, but I guess not. Also: I don't think I was clear enough about this after watching 1:10 "Prime Factors," but Janeway is a loving idiot so far and routinely screws over her crew. This is no longer a normal Starfleet mission, this is a salvage operation, and getting home ASAP should be priority one.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Yep, and all the new companions are from contemporary London. You can't even claim it's a budget thing, the old show went all over the loving place on a shoestring budget and bubblewrap monsters. It's a lack of imagination, pure and simple. so this is from last month but you're gonna get huge lols from this i keep seeing fuckin' articles online about how "MATT SMITH STILL WANTS TO PLAY DOCTOR WHO" and people trying to push the idea that he could be ~the first doctor to return to the role~ talk about your total failure of imagination right there. like goddamn i'm surprised there's not a loving change.org petition demanding "WELL IF MATT CAN COME BACK WE WANT DAVID TENNANT TO BE THE DOCTOR FOREVER" i've thought for a long time that what would own would be a year or two of having a different actor playing the doctor in every episode. no explanations, no bullshit technobabble, and to make the turbo-continuity-assholes extra frustrated we even change actors during the two-parters. get some rad people in there who wouldn't be willing to commit to a whole series but might have fun with it for an episode. imagine getting like dame judy dench or james earl jones being the doctor.
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a whole lotta words about dr who... in the star trek : voyager thread
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Janeway is the worst captain because all she had to do to get her crew home was let Q put a bun in her oven
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Lincoln posted:Watching-Voyager-for-the-first-time thoughts Should I be posting this stuff in the Star Trek thread?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:so this is from last month but you're gonna get huge lols from this I thought Tom Baker was the first to return. Or whoever the Curator was who basically only idiots and AV Club reviewers didn't get was the Doctor after he's 'retired'.
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Totally unrelated to my previous post -- I just got home after a round of golf, and Encounter at Farpoint is on BBC America. I think this may be the most Star Treky-episode of Star Trek ever. This post may belong in the other thread.
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Jul 11, 2016 19:40
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I think Dr. Who fuckin' sucks. I'd rather watch Voyager and Enterprise
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Cthulu Carl posted:I thought Tom Baker was the first to return. there's been reunion special episodes for ages, but they're talking about permanent re-casting - as in bringing him back for another few years
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Jul 11, 2016 20:25
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dr who is dumb please stop talking about it in the thread for another dumb show
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I watched the episode where Neelix learns there's no heaven or whatever and I had forgotten completely about Chakotay's bullshit vision quest machine Akochimoya
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Noctone posted:Janeway is the worst captain because all she had to do to get her crew home was let Q put a bun in her oven How many crew members died because she was too much a of a prude?
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Noctone posted:dr who is dumb please stop talking about it in the thread for another dumb show sorry man here let me do you a solid and answer a prior post: Noctone posted:the one burning question i have above all others is who wipes down the loads in the holodeck http://www.somethingawful.com/news/blue-stripe-life-4/
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Noctone posted:Janeway is the worst captain because all she had to do to get her crew home was let Q put a bun in her oven She had a chance before that when all she had to do was let the Continuum put Quinn back into his prison. But endangering the lives of everyone on the ship was totally worth it so she could interfere with stuff that was none of her business.
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They need some sort of prime directive about not just messing with pre-warp species but also "post-warp" species like the Q, poo poo that's so far above them that meddling could be an existential threat and we're clearly too primitive to understand any of it.
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Baronjutter posted:They need some sort of prime directive about not just messing with pre-warp species but also "post-warp" species like the Q, poo poo that's so far above them that meddling could be an existential threat and we're clearly too primitive to understand any of it. Hard to enforce because sometimes they'll just show up as your ship's bartender.
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i also like that when they discover that someone out there is extremely wrecking the borg's poo poo they're like "hmm let's stare into the abyss and see what stares back" instead of popping a wheelie and zooming through borg space while broadcasting "lol good luck with that idiots" on all subspace channels
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:sorry man here let me do you a solid and answer a prior post: you are forgiven
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Those fluidic space aliens were kinda cool but then they turned them into dumb shape shifters that just needed to better understand humanity.
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Baronjutter posted:Those fluidic space aliens were kinda cool but then they turned them into dumb shape shifters that just needed to better understand humanity. Hmm can't believe that Voyager had an interesting premise for something and then didn't go anywhere cool with it.
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Gammatron 64 posted:I think Dr. Who fuckin' sucks. I'd rather watch Voyager and Enterprise A highly correct opinion.
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Chomp8645 posted:Hmm can't believe that Voyager had an interesting premise for something and then didn't go anywhere cool with it. They really changed their personalities too. At the start they were this xenophobic existential threat to the galaxy and they only communicated by saying the weak would perish. They seemed like this tyranid-like bio-swarm that could not be reasoned with, a force so powerful and alien an alliance with the borg seemed reasonable. Then suddenly all you needed was a heart to heart with them to prove humans are ok and the federation are nice guys and both sides shake hands and leave as friends.
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Baronjutter posted:Those fluidic space aliens were kinda cool but then they turned them into dumb shape shifters that just needed to better understand humanity. Yeah, when they first showed up it was neat for once that Star Trek featured an alien species that was actually "alien" and not just another bunch of humanoids that conveniently spoke english. It reminded me of in Decent Freespace where you spend like half the game in a space war against the Shivans without ever knowing anything about them. When the humans finally disable a ship and send in an assault team to make first contact, they get absolutely hosed by a race of giant tri-armed monstrosities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcWhhsRGsAI
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In the Alpha quadrant, Janeway was just the captain of a ship and subject to the upper echelons of Starfleet command. In the Delta quadrant, Janeway was the captain of a ship and was master and commander of her crew. Everything she did throughout the series was done to maintain her position as supreme authority in her world.
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They could've mutinied and Starfleet would've never been the wiser. Come to think of it, like GoT or BSG, have major characters die and pick up new ones on the way would've been excellent. Janeway dying mid way through the second season should've been the way to go. Has anyone made a tally of all the wasted ideas?
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Hi thread. I hadn't watched Voyager in a good ten-plus years, but after reading every last page here I decided to go back to that train wreck and give it a shot. Watched The Year of Hell and actually enjoyed it. Classic Voyager in that Janeway just goes totally crazy ("Time's ... Up!!) after a series of terrible decisions; the plot has a nice setup but then kind of peters out; oh, and Chakotay is apparently totally cool being buddies with the perpetrator of god knows how many genocides over his 200-year reign; and then we just hit the reset button. So, um, good stuff but in that very Voyager way. That's my story, God bless.
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Velisarius posted:'You're beautiful when you're scanning.' Just to end the thrilling mystery about who spouted this rubbish, it was Harry Kim, in the episode in which he is reprimanded for loving an attractive woman. The conversation between Chakotay and Janeway really highlights her madness, belief in what she's doing, and her desire for convenient dominion. Also, she looks crazier when she stares out her windows when she's talking to someone. I suppose they were trying to make the moment more powerful or some poo poo. Time for the next episode. Edit: Even as a dying clone whose only option is to return to a Demon-class planet, Janeway opts to do the complete opposite. Velisarius fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Automatic Slim posted:Come to think of it, like GoT or BSG, have major characters die and pick up new ones on the way would've been excellent. Janeway dying mid way through the second season should've been the way to go. They kind of did that though, at least once. Kes didn't exactly die, but eh, close enough. And in an astonishing coincidence, this happened at almost exactly the same time they picked up Seven.
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Automatic Slim posted:Has anyone made a tally of all the wasted ideas? - the premise - the characters
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Imperfection: Season 7:2 7/9 needs a Maguffin transplant. Lots of scenes of "tense" surgery seems. Paris is the ships assistant medical tech but it makes you wonder why the Doctor's holo emitter can't project more copies of himself to perform multiple tasks. Of course Janeway recklessly endangers her crew to get the parts she needs to
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Automatic Slim posted:Imperfection: Season 7:2 For that matter, why not perform all surgery in a holodeck? There'd be nothing in there that shouldn't be, you could create copies of the greatest surgeons who ever lived, zero risk of infection, no chance of surgical equipment getting left in the patient (even if you left a scalpel in them, it would disappear when they left the holodeck). For that matter they could create copies of the greatest Starfleet officers to get them home instead of relying on Janeway and Chakotay. I think I've just created another better idea for Voyager.
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If you're going to go that far, you may as well have every room be a holodeck. It's been shown that it's not an issue to patch holographic terminals into the ship's controls, and you could be in your quarters but also be on duty by having the computer simulate the rest of the bridge crew in real time around you, and you in real time around them. It'd be a goon dream job, because no one would have to leave the quarters for any reason, and your quarters could have any luxury/appearance you please.
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I think then you run into the problem that it's not relatable enough - which is often why the technology on Trek is never taken to its logical conclusion.
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Apollodorus posted:I think then you run into the problem that it's not relatable enough - which is often why the technology on Trek is never taken to its logical conclusion. Right, like how they never had Janeway dyke out with 7 of 9.
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criscodisco posted:Right, like how they never had Janeway dyke out with 7 of 9. Yeah but in that case I think what would have happened is Mulgrew would have killed Ryan in her trailer and buried the body in the desert rather than do that storyline.
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Except they do the whole "Oh hey I need helper. Computer: generate the universe's best expert in this field to help me" and bam, there he is after Kim spending like 10 min tuning him up. The doctor could easily have a few nurses and assistants on file.
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It's not a storyline it's real.
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Everything Trek is real.
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I saw a warp bubble once in the back of a van.
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