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Joementum posted:I think the opposition to TPP is questionable, but on the rest of this stuff I don't think it's been a cynical shift. It's what we want to happen in primary elections! A challenger demonstrates there's a lot of support for certain policy ideas and the other politicians adapt their plans to those new policies in a way they think will work. That's a reasonable view and one I am willing to go along with, so my apologies for being shields up instantly. I think TPP is totally valid, but as I said yesterday, I think most politicians are completely cynical on trade agreements when they're running for office.
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Yeah, state grants and scholarships can drastically reduce the cost of tuition in a lot of places but few of them cover fees and books (books are and have always been criminally expensive across pretty much all majors).
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teen witch posted:As a mixed race woman and a tremendous Alton Brown fan, the past couple of weeks have been incredibly off putting, to say the least. I've also realized how privledged I really am because even though I live in the "bad" (ie a good amount of black people live in my neighborhood) part of my old suburban town, my dad still made enough money from working as an union insulator that he was able to pay for three kids through Catholic K-8th grade school, never have lean months where I didn't get the Christmas presents I wanted, paid for my student loans (and my sisters) and for me to live out in UT for 3 months with the Americorps without me ever having a full time job till February of this year (it was getting bad enough that he wanted me to join the Union though). achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:That's a reasonable view and one I am willing to go along with, so my apologies for being shields up instantly. Opposition to TPP seems to be more of a proxy position on "Is Globalism good" much in the same way Keystone XL just stood in for "energy policy" as a whole rather than specific grievances with the measure/projects themselves.
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My least favorite part about taking summer classes is that the fees cost way more than the 6 credit hours I'm taking do.
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zoux posted:Opposition to TPP seems to be more of a proxy position on "Is Globalism good" much in the same way Keystone XL just stood in for "energy policy" as a whole rather than specific grievances with the measure/projects themselves. Right, I think that position is cynical as hell.
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fishmech posted:Er, that was Bernie's plan, to just have free tuition and not touch the other stuff. The plans Hillary was putting out were to drastically cut the combined total of tuition and all the other fees and costs you have to pay (lab fees, facilities fees, books, and so on), which is a lot more relevant given the heights the attached fees and costs have risen to for many public colleges and universities, where in some states they flat out are more money than the tuition. that's not the viewpoint i got about Hillary's plan from the professors i know, although it's certainly possible they misunderstood it. If I mischaracterized it, apologies
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emdash posted:that's not the viewpoint i got about Hillary's plan from the professors i know, although it's certainly possible they misunderstood it. If I mischaracterized it, apologies To be perfectly honest, college professors -- unless affordability is their area of research -- are some of the worst people to ask about higher education policy.
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How was that endorsement tepid?
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Jul 12, 2016 17:45
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Because the immediate response from people is that SHE'S JUST DOING IT TO WIN VOTES AND DOESN'T BELIEVE IT, which is totally unfair. well, it's not unfair. Bill Clinton famously won an election through tactical ideological changes to win votes (triangulation, Third Way, 'Sista Souljah'). otoh, the Clintons largely followed through on their election promises.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:How was that endorsement tepid? Are you questioning the political savvy of a Trumpeter?
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Arrgytehpirate posted:How was that endorsement tepid? You're questioning that a Bernout is mostly disengaged with reality? Edit: oh hat lol change that to "Trumpist is fully disengaged"
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Jul 12, 2016 17:49
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FAUXTON posted:Yeah, state grants and scholarships can drastically reduce the cost of tuition in a lot of places but few of them cover fees and books (books are and have always been criminally expensive across pretty much all majors). An example of how bad fees can be even in a state that's not high in costs: the fees you pay alone to attend Virginia Tech can easily reach to $6000 per semester if you have to live on campus (which you usually need to as a freshman) and are in certain popular majors at the school, or $12,000 a standard two-semester year. Meanwhile the in-state tuition for a full class load, 12 credits, is $5,393.50. And we haven't even counted the cost of books! So right there costs beyond tuition can already be more than the entire tuition cost. emdash posted:that's not the viewpoint i got about Hillary's plan from the professors i know, although it's certainly possible they misunderstood it. If I mischaracterized it, apologies Her preferred way of talking about it was that a student should be able to afford to go to college on a 10 hour a week job, which is a very small amount of money, and means that everything's costs have to be very cheap for a full year of school. Incidentally, 10 hours a week is what the standard Federal Work-Study program has you work. Even if we're really generous with the pay at said hypothetical 10 hour a week job, like say it was $15 an hour - that only earns you $7800 a year max. So to have college cost less than that for a whole year is a severe reduction in all the costs to the student. Compare that to the cost of a single semester at a given public college that I outlined above! And if we're talking more realistic wages for the near future, it's even less money.
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oh holy crap, the HA Goodman fountain springs anew https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR/status/752894378494918657
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Hillary's plan (which she's had for at least 2 weeks) is if you have under 125K household income you go to public uni for free. Which is a damned nice compromise (and takes a HUGE loving load off my mind for my two kids if it comes true). I liked Bernie, he was my first choice, but abuela is winning me over a bit. Not that she was ever in jeopardy, because gdamn, Trump?
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achillesforever6 posted:For example, my dad's best friend thinks all the problems with race in America could have been solved if "We picked our own cotton and left the Africans in Africa to kill each other" funnily enough he refused to believe my mom when she told him how racist America was towards the Irish. Swapping race conflicts for class conflicts is really more of a lateral move.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:To be perfectly honest, college professors -- unless affordability is their area of research -- are some of the worst people to ask about higher education policy. Yeah, we are bad at big-picture policy. Kind of like not being able to see the forest because your forehead is glued to a tree stump.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:How was that endorsement tepid?  I think someone tagging Mark Halperin with a avatar referencing this might not be serious!!!
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I think it's problematic that Clinton accepted the endorsement of a racist, sexist old white man.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Man she is really moving to the left in this speech Can't wait for all of Prez Clinton's achievements to all be written off as "well, Sanders pushed her to the left!!"
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Jul 12, 2016 18:01
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NYT is reporting that the Clinton camp is VP vetting retired Navy Admiral James Starvidis. Four star general who served as NATO's 16th Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the 15th Commander of US European Command. I guess they're taking Trump's interest in retired Lt. General Michael Flynn seriously.
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showbiz_liz posted:Can't wait for all of Prez Clinton's achievements to all be written off as "well, Sanders pushed her to the left!!" What,
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https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR/status/752894378494918657 o poo poo emdash posted:oh holy crap, the HA Goodman fountain springs anew 
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Blago is back in the news...for his Elvis fanaticism.
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Mr Hootington posted:"And that is why I happily endorse...." Bernie says just before being cut of by "Medley: Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In (The Flesh Failures)". So THAT'S why she killed Vince McMahon
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The next several months of Bill Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, B-Rock 'The Islamic Shock' Hussein Superallah Obama, and Hilldawg out on the campaign trail just loving shredding Trump are going to be awesome.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Isn't the New Black Panther Party literally just two dudes? It's an offshoot of the Nation Of Islam and is a nationwide thing, technically.
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Also, in the least-shocking news, a bipartisan senate report just released details about how information and infrastructure initally collected/built to rally support for Israeli/Palestinian peace funded by grants secured by the State Dept. was later used to support the campaign to defeat Netanyahu.
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Joementum posted:This speech is not easy if, like me, you have a pet peeve that politicians shouldn't be referred to by their past titles after they leave office.  at least say "former" if you're going to refer to them by a job they had twenty years ago.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:NYT is reporting that the Clinton camp is VP vetting retired Navy Admiral James Starvidis. Four star general who served as NATO's 16th Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the 15th Commander of US European Command. Well 4 stars beats 3 stars. Pretty sad for Trump!
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fknlo posted:The next several months of Bill Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, B-Rock 'The Islamic Shock' Hussein Superallah Obama, and Hilldawg out on the campaign trail just loving shredding Trump are going to be awesome. 
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Also, in the least-shocking news, a bipartisan senate report just released details about how information and infrastructure initally collected/built to rally support for Israeli/Palestinian peace funded by grants secured by the State Dept. was later used to support the campaign to defeat Netanyahu. Good. It's too bad it didn't work.
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GalacticAcid posted:Blago is back in the news...for his Elvis fanaticism. This is probably the best sentence I will read all week: quote:Blagojevich's attorney says in court documents arguing for a reduction in his 14-year sentence that he has studied guitar and formed a band named after one of Elvis's biggest hits: "Jailhouse Rock."
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Why didn't Fang do this during the primary?
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:
I guarantee that does not happen.
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