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Cerebral Bore posted:That would be surprising because the last big surge in membership was last fall, and those people probably joined up because of Corbs. There is some disillusionment, I think, but polls suggest he'll still win comfortably. I suspect that the PLP shenanigans since that last poll will have shifted things in JC's direction a little bit.
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ronya posted:obviously, now that he's on the ballot, if he does lose the leadership election, then he's finished - whereas previously he would have had a case for arguing for an illegitimate vote As a Corbynista, I acknowledge this. Obviously if he doesn't have the backing of the membership or the PLP his displacement will be legitimate and deserved. I'm confident he has the former.
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Cerebral Bore posted:That would be surprising because the last big surge in membership was last fall, and those people probably joined up because of Corbs. I thought there had been a big surge in membership since May, & especially since the knives of the PLP started coming out & missing in their attempt to stab Corbyn in the back?
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Jul 13, 2016 09:08
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:It's more to do with them being completely unable to countenance the idea of a woman being bad. Theresa May is a woman in power, ergo she is good. Never mind that her policies will directly harm thousands and thousands of other women, woman + power = good. The media and rebels in general seems to be playing heavily upon the idea of Corbyn supporters 'threatening' women now as well, which is how the secret ballot was spun - 'female members' were concerned about the brick through the window as if that had something directly to do with Eagle being a woman. It's pretty loving pathetic imo to be a politician but when you have to make any hard choices just flop about going "no! I have to do it with no accountability because I am but a weak vulnerable woman!" At least May has the tough bitch image going for her. (Yeah whatever, I'm sure there's a pile of liberal feminists waiting to tell me I must have internalised misogyny because these comments, I don't care)
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Jose posted:Was there not an agenda for the NEC meeting so the corbyn supporters will have known about other votes taking place? Robert Peston claims they were off-agenda items.
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Jul 13, 2016 09:09
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Jose posted:Was there not an agenda for the NEC meeting so the corbyn supporters will have known about other votes taking place? The membership freeze, membership tax, and clp votes were all done under Any Other Business. Hindsight and all that but i personally wouldn't have left until the meeting was formally concluded.
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OvineYeast posted:There is some disillusionment, I think, but polls suggest he'll still win comfortably. I suspect that the PLP shenanigans since that last poll will have shifted things in JC's direction a little bit. I wasn't alone in these threads in suggesting I'd consider an alternative leftish candidate a few weeks back. The antics of the PLP have driven me right back to Corbyn. When is the Batley and Spen by-election? Do they have time to parachute in the prodigal son and saviour of the Labour Party, David Miliband?
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namesake posted:I won't say it's a certainty but Corbyn should win again in September now that he's on. If Smith stands he's splitting the non-Corbyn vote which is probably only narrowly a majority at best, if he doesn't then Jeremy should handle Angela quite easily given her hilariously bad launch and support base and if Smith stands and Eagle drops out then it makes the whole thing just a hilarious farce again. Smith is running too now. Wasn't in for the Iraq war, self-described soft left. I don't know, it's possible he could turn into the unity candidate here.
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Jul 13, 2016 09:15
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Can't the NEC just call another meeting and undo the off-agenda rulings?
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Oberleutnant posted:The membership freeze, membership tax, and clp votes were all done under Any Other Business. Congrats on being more competent than Corbyn. What on earth was he thinking leaving early? It'd be a nice turn of events if this led to a big surge in TU membership. But that won't happen if people cynically join then leave at the first opportunity.
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Vitamin P posted:Smith is running too now. Wasn't in for the Iraq war, self-described soft left. I don't know, it's possible he could turn into the unity candidate here. Was he the Pfizer lobbyist?
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OvineYeast posted:There is some disillusionment, I think, but polls suggest he'll still win comfortably. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/labour-members-corbyn-post-brexit/ quote:As things currently stand, were Mr. Corbyn was on the ballot paper again, 36% say they would definitely vote for him (down from 50% in May) and 36% say they definitely wouldn’t vote for him (up from 22%).  quote:In a hypothetical head-to-head matchup between him and Angela Eagle, he currently holds a 10 point lead at 50% to 40%,
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Baron Corbyn posted:I wasn't alone in these threads in suggesting I'd consider an alternative leftish candidate a few weeks back. The antics of the PLP have driven me right back to Corbyn. Still no date confirmed Vitamin P posted:Smith is running too now. Wasn't in for the Iraq war, self-described soft left. I don't know, it's possible he could turn into the unity candidate here. As I've argued before, he might have had a chance if he hadn't joined the night of blunt knives and resigned with everyone else in their drips & drabs. But he did, so that means he's likely lost the faith of an awful lot of members.
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ShredsYouSay posted:Was he the Pfizer lobbyist? he was. quotes of him wanting to privatise the NHS that will get him absolutely savaged if he becomes leader
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Jul 13, 2016 09:25
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Get in to work, put on the radio, first song is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmwqEg-06Ww Please don't be an omen 
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coffeetable posted:are we looking at the same polls Yes? You quoted the relevant point. 50-40 is a comfortable win. They didn't ask about Owen Smith but somehow suspect he wouldn't do better.
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Jul 13, 2016 09:27
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Away from Corbyn for a minute, have an article written by Pete Oborne: Theresa May: Dull but dangerous
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forkboy84 posted:I thought there had been a big surge in membership since May, & especially since the knives of the PLP started coming out & missing in their attempt to stab Corbyn in the back? Yes, this is true. I may have worded it unclearly, but I meant "last" as the one before this one. In any case, the whole freeze is dumber and dumber the more i think about it. Partially because there was a big influx of pro-Corbyn people who joined up before the deadline and partially because most people who are likely to be motivated enough to fork out 25£ for the vote will be pro-Corbs as well. In addition, any plans hope for the labour right to recruit new voters to shift the balance are right out. The Labour right seems to be setting itself up for the fall, but I guess that's nothing new at this point. OvineYeast posted:There is some disillusionment, I think, but polls suggest he'll still win comfortably. I suspect that the PLP shenanigans since that last poll will have shifted things in JC's direction a little bit. Certainly, but disillusionment or not, when it comes down to it somebody with Angela Eagle's politics is almost certainly not going to draw the votes of people who joined up hoping for a leftward shift in Labour.
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John Mann was approached six months ago to back Owen Smith for Labour leader just in case you were wondering how long this has been in the works.
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forkboy84 posted:Away from Corbyn for a minute, have an article written by Pete Oborne: Theresa May: Dull but dangerous oborne is usually good but gove is neither capable or charismatic
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Doesn't 'making sure it doesn't happen until the last day of conference' basically stop the left-wing from passing any number of anti-Blairite things at the conference? With the leadership in question, any motions to reign in the PLP are dead before they make it to the agenda? So even if they lose again, they have at least staved off the bloodshed for another year (when they can repeat the same backstabbing to push it again). The Blairiites have shown they can game the rules better than Corbyns lot by having no scruples.
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Jose posted:he was. quotes of him wanting to privatise the NHS that will get him absolutely savaged if he becomes leader What quotes?
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HorseLord posted:1) Occupying power oppresses the poo poo out of people with murderous cops. Northern Ireland had its own government from 1922-1972 that was responsible for policing. The "British government" had no part in it until the Stormont government proved unable to prevent violence or keep order.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Get in to work, put on the radio, first song is Karma.
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Noxville posted:Surely the more they piss off the membership, the more votes Corbyn gets?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Northern Ireland had its own government from 1922-1972 that was responsible for policing. The "British government" had no part in it until the Stormont government proved unable to prevent violence or keep order. Unionists are plastic englishmen.
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Jose posted:oborne is usually good but gove is neither capable or charismatic In Tory eyes he is, which is what's important here.
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Jose posted:oborne is usually good but gove is neither capable or charismatic Well yes, the idea that Gove is able is obviously laughable, but the part of the article that focuses on her weak points was worth a read.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Certainly, but disillusionment or not, when it comes down to it somebody with Angela Eagle's politics is almost certainly not going to draw the votes of people who joined up hoping for a leftward shift in Labour. Does Eagle even have politics? She doesn't talk much about them.
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Vitamin P posted:Does Eagle even have politics? She doesn't talk much about them. Basically Ed Miliband.
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Vitamin P posted:Does Eagle even have politics? She doesn't talk much about them. Well, there is this nasty little meme going around.
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HorseLord posted:Unionists are plastic englishmen. whoops didn't take long for the veil to drop and go into full on turbo nationalist mode nationalism is a disease hope this helps
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Goves last two jobs have been moj and campaign whatsit of leave and he has been v able in both. He was unpopular among teachers at dfe but who hasn't been
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Vitamin P posted:Does Eagle even have politics? She doesn't talk much about them. Sure, they become memes on Twitter.
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Breath Ray posted:What quotes? http://news.crocels.com/news/8412/owen-smith-labour-nhs-private-sector-involvement/ The quote is “We believe that choice is a good thing and that patients and healthcare professionals should be at the heart of developing the agenda,” Which isnt that bad. If he actually said "privatise" and "NHS" in the same sentance he'd be dead in the water already.
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Breath Ray posted:Goves last two jobs have been moj and campaign whatsit of leave and he has been v able in both. He was unpopular among teachers at dfe but who hasn't been I'm pretty sure nobody in the leave campaign was able in anything. it's kind of off-putting how quick some people are to just go right back to the Tories, I mean they spent years kicking me in the balls but surely they won't kick me in the balls again if I go back right??? At least they're doing something(even if that something is taking advantage of the situation to gently caress over everyone more)! it's basically a "at least the trains ran on time" argument,
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massive spider posted:http://news.crocels.com/news/8412/owen-smith-labour-nhs-private-sector-involvement/ It's not bad at all
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