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I mean I'd personally say that modern medicine owes more to the classical Greeks than any Abrahamic religion.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I'd personally say that modern medicine owes more to the classical Greeks than any Abrahamic religion. Didn't a lot of medical discoveries and practices come from the Middle East as well?
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Who What Now posted:Didn't a lot of medical discoveries and practices come from the Middle East as well? Not sure, my medical history education was extremely eurocentric but that could be reflective of the lack of communication throughout a lot of it. For a long time the greek treatises were just the thing to go by and people didn't pay attention to much else until surprisingly recently. It's a little depressing how long the four humours theory was used. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Hale Bopp would have been in the living memory of people around Hippocrates, if not Hippocrates himself.quote:And this can just as easily be done the other way around: events of 1000 years before the crucifixion lead up to it, so those events must be special? Yup  You can get an idea of this by looking at the 'Prophets' from Star Trek Deep Space 9 or watching Interstellar. It isn't linear. quote:If Jesus had been gay you'd think he could have spared a second to mention that it's not cool to attack, kill, or oppress homosexuals. Maybe he did but over the years it got discarded for political reasons. There is no sex in the next level, if you actually want to go there you must have no appetite for those activities and that 'drug'. 'At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.' Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 12, 2016 23:55
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Who What Now posted:Didn't a lot of medical discoveries and practices come from the Middle East as well? Yeah. For a a good chunk of time, the Middle East with it's respects to the sciences at the time was basically the reason why we even have a modern world despite all the stupidity Christianity was pulling.
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What would our world look like if antimatter had 'outcompeted' matter after the 'big bang'?
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Exactly the same, one would assume, except for the quarks.
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Jul 13, 2016 01:11
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McDowell posted:What would our world look like if antimatter had 'outcompeted' matter after the 'big bang'? Why does this matter?
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Speaking of Time Travel, this is still a classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHyEFefqAIk If you think about the relationship between John Connor and Skynet that is a stepping stone to unraveling the 'problem of evil'. The yin and yang is another way of seeing it. Who What Now posted:Why does this matter? Why don't you believe in God? Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 13, 2016 01:31
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McDowell posted:Why don't you believe in God? Because I haven't seen any meaningful evidence that one exists.
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Dragonshirt posted:Holy Jesus, can we just come right out and say that McDowell isn't prepared to actually post in this thread? He's just spouting spiritual platitudes that don't mean anything. It's pretty obvious he's never taken a skeptical look at his own beliefs. Well yeah but his insane rambling is kinda entertaining. Eskaton posted:Because religion isn't really a science, maybe..? There is no rigor required. You might want to take a look at a lot postmodern stuff. While rigor isn't necessary, it is something that lots of people care about. Even if it's in rigorously founding something like a leap of faith as with Kierkegaard.
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why is anyone attempting to debate with the guy who's gimmick is "some sort of schizo disorder with a lot lazy talk about god on top" that literally started out posting in this thread using a video from a suicide cult that thought they going to float up to a ufo that's also a comet or some idiot bullshit?
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Sloppy Milkshake posted:why is anyone attempting to debate with the guy who's gimmick is "some sort of schizo disorder with a lot lazy talk about god on top" that literally started out posting in this thread using a video from a suicide cult that thought they going to float up to a ufo that's also a comet or some idiot bullshit? Please look at their message instead of listening to that nasty voice. Their mission is over (and part of that is the whole 'it had to happen this way' thing that Jesus wrestles with) with the clickbait of a mass suicide (One Weird Way to get to Heaven - You won't BELIEVE this). While the website exists and the videos are on youtube you can make up your own mind. If it doesn't make sense to you it wasn't 'for' you and that is fine - but at least listen - these people were not Daesh. Funny enough this film came out in 1997: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRoj3jK37Vc Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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^^^ Why is it funny it came out in 1997?Sloppy Milkshake posted:why is anyone attempting to debate with the guy who's gimmick is "some sort of schizo disorder with a lot lazy talk about god on top" that literally started out posting in this thread using a video from a suicide cult that thought they going to float up to a ufo that's also a comet or some idiot bullshit? I read through several of the posts in good faith and just sat there for several minutes trying to figure out what in God's name (ha) he's even trying to argue. He's more coherent than most schizophrenics I've read, but less coherent than, well, normal people.
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Mental health needs more funding in this country.
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Ytlaya posted:^^^ Why is it funny it came out in 1997? That was when the Next Level was closest to this world and left the strongest evidence, the clearest 'signal', possible at this time. The rest is a 'leap of faith' - which has always been the formula for developing beyond human.
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McDowell posted:That was when the Next Level was closest to this world and left the strongest evidence, the clearest 'signal', possible at this time. The rest is a 'leap of faith' - which has always been the formula for developing beyond human. The film is based on a Carl Sagan novel that came out in 1985.
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WampaLord posted:The film is based on a Carl Sagan novel that came out in 1985. Ti and Do's classroom began in 1975.
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McDowell posted:That was when the Next Level was closest to this world and left the strongest evidence, the clearest 'signal', possible at this time. The rest is a 'leap of faith' - which has always been the formula for developing beyond human. What is the "next level" and what strong evidence did it leave?
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Who What Now posted:What is the "next level" and what strong evidence did it leave? I am trying to tell you, but truly only you can answer that question to your own satisfaction. This vehicle is still a virgin which is one reason I am able to speak through it and act as a 'relay' working to overcome the interference of this body and environment. If you have been 'left behind' like me one of the first tests is learning not to be bitter about one's part in God's plan. There will be another classroom in the 'distant' future for those who 'keep the faith'. "This is like a man that goes on a trip and leaves his house. The man lets his servants take care of the house. He gives each servant a special job to do. One servant has the work of guarding the door. The man tells this servant to always be ready. This is the same as I am now telling you. So you must always be ready. You don't know when the owner of the house will come back. He might come in the afternoon, or at midnight, or in the early morning, or when the sun rises. The owner might come back quickly. If you are always ready, then he will not find you sleeping." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Eskaton posted:Because religion isn't really a science, maybe..? There is no rigor required. You might want to take a look at a lot postmodern stuff. You don't get to just decide that religion is somehow a special class of discourse that is freed from the burden of evidence and proof. I say it does require rigor. I say this purported divide between religion and science is a false one. All we have are claims and evidence. We really resolved this half a century ago with Russell's teapot - yes, I can make any claim I want, but until there are good reasons to support my claim, I don't get to be taken seriously just because I call this claim a religion. quote:You know Christian Atheism is a thing? Zizek has a good thing on it. Just because it exists doesn't mean it isn't moronic. Christian Atheism isn't even a religion so much as the overt respect for a philosopher from the ancient world. These are the last gasps of an atheist who doesn't want to admit they have no religion, or who doesn't want to call into question the necessity of religion in society. Can't you just say you like some of the things Jesus said, alongside liking some things Socrates, Hume, or Nietzsche said, without claiming "therefore I am a Christian"?
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McDowell posted:I am trying to tell you, but truly only you can answer that question to your own satisfaction. This vehicle is still a virgin which is one reason I am able to speak through it and act as a 'relay' working to overcome the interference of this body and environment. If you have been 'left behind' like me one of the first tests is learning not to be bitter about one's part in God's plan. There will be another classroom in the 'distant' future for those who 'keep the faith'. Now it really just sounds like you're trying to justify to yourself why you can't get laid.
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McDowell posted:That was when the Next Level was closest to this world and left the strongest evidence, the clearest 'signal', possible at this time. The rest is a 'leap of faith' - which has always been the formula for developing beyond human. I'm sorry...I was focused more on Brandor and Eskaton's posts but...are you legitimately a Heaven's Gate follower/believer?
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Who What Now posted:Now it really just sounds like you're trying to justify to yourself why you can't get laid. You can look at it that way, you can also say I've bought into a 'death cult narrative' - but that outlook is limiting oneself to a hollow, material existence.
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McDowell posted:You can look at it that way, you can also say I've bought into a 'death cult narrative' - but that outlook is limiting oneself to a hollow, material existence. What's wrong with a material existence? Also, please don't actually kill yourself.
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Who What Now posted:What's wrong with a material existence? It isn't 'wrong' it just isn't 'everything' - Do tries to illustrate this as being 'God's astronaut program' - if you want to leave Earth it takes discipline and hard work. There's no rush to leave this body, this world might even 'progress' enough that euthanasia will be legal and nontaboo in the foreseeable future. But this planet is in bad shape and such an option can serve the opposition - so be aware of the philosophical 'packaging' it comes in. Don't be 
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McDowell posted:It isn't 'wrong' it just isn't 'everything' - Do tries to illustrate this as being 'God's astronaut program' - if you want to leave Earth it takes discipline and hard work. There's no rush to leave this body, this world might even 'progress' enough that euthanasia will be legal and nontaboo in the foreseeable future. But this planet is in bad shape and such an option can serve the opposition - so be aware of the philosophical 'packaging' it comes in. Don't be Who is "Do"? I will agree, though, that being an astronaut takes a lot of discipline and hard work. Although hopefully commercial space flight will be viable so that I can experience it before I die. And if I'm really lucky medical science will allow my brain to live on in a cyborg body long after my original meat body is old and decrepit.
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McDowell posted:It isn't 'wrong' it just isn't 'everything' - Do tries to illustrate this as being 'God's astronaut program' - if you want to leave Earth it takes discipline and hard work. There's no rush to leave this body, this world might even 'progress' enough that euthanasia will be legal and nontaboo in the foreseeable future. But this planet is in bad shape and such an option can serve the opposition - so be aware of the philosophical 'packaging' it comes in. Don't be Look man, I like Dark Side as much as anyone but you're really reading far too much into "The Great Gig in the Sky."
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Who What Now posted:Who is "Do"? Codename for Marshall Applewhite, leader of Heaven's Gate. Paired with Ti, his partner, ol' what's-her-name. It's solfege syllable Do, as in "Do-a-deer". Y'know, like music.
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Who What Now posted:And if I'm really lucky medical science will allow my brain to live on in a cyborg body long after my original meat body is old and decrepit. If that is what you really want to work for God isn't going to deny it to you. But I can see you now at the 'big crunch' or 'heat death', still here, cursing the one who made you.
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I like how crazy things are getting. Though you could argue they're only crazy because the ideas aren't centuries old.
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McDowell posted:If that is what you really want to work for God isn't going to deny it to you. But I can see you now at the 'big crunch' or 'heat death', still here, cursing the one who made you. Oh, you misunderstand. I don't want to live forever, just longer than what humans normally live for.
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I have to admit that this is refreshing after years of McDowell's old shtick of claiming every bit of news coming out of the ME is a sign of the impending nuclear Armageddon.
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The Belgian posted:
Piss poor wording on my part. I'm an engineering student, so you're lucky I'm taking this point at all. Eskaton fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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GAINING WEIGHT... posted:You don't get to just decide that religion is somehow a special class of discourse that is freed from the burden of evidence and proof. I say it does require rigor. I say this purported divide between religion and science is a false one. All we have are claims and evidence. We really resolved this half a century ago with Russell's teapot - yes, I can make any claim I want, but until there are good reasons to support my claim, I don't get to be taken seriously just because I call this claim a religion. Uh, do you not know what literary analysis is..? It doesn't have a scientific method. There's this whole world of 'not science' out there like philosophy (Which is where the scientific method comes from) that is worth your time. Eskaton fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 13, 2016 19:01
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paragon1 posted:I have to admit that this is refreshing after years of McDowell's old shtick of claiming every bit of news coming out of the ME is a sign of the impending nuclear Armageddon. The awakening of this vehicle has taken some time and recognizing the recycling process is a big part of that. Here is an interesting Bertrand Russell video: https://youtu.be/0F6J8o7AAe8 He was pretty sympathetic to Gnosticism. Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 13, 2016 19:03
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Like if you went into this whole religion thing looking for testable claims, you kinda completely missed the point, dude. e: I have no idea what McDowell is on, but wow Eskaton fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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McDowell posted:The awakening of this vehicle has taken some time and recognizing the recycling process is a big part of that. Your "awakening"? Is this some crazy offshoot of Men Go Their Own Way? Where, no, for real being a virgin is just the super best because you're gonna be hella baller in heaven?
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'Men going their own way' certainly could be seen as a counterfeit of the real overcoming message. There was substantial misinformation that went out at the time of the classroom's departure that all the dropped vehicles were males - but if you look at the video records you'll see this was not the case at all.quote:He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. You could say this is 'Rust Cohle Christianity' - marriage and creating a child are not to be taken lightly.
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