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CitizenKain posted:until you run across someone in a destroyer. lowtiers.txt
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Forums Terrorist posted:Mikasa is super bad, but it's worth when you're the only BB in a tier 2 game and you terrify the newbies. Until they realize you're much easier to hit with both tons of HE rounds and torpedoes.
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Jul 12, 2016 06:38
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Aiming Mod Zero would probably fix Mikasa if they'd just give it to it.
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Jul 12, 2016 06:53
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Aesis posted:https://github.com/BlindNImpotent/WoWS-Ship-Stats-Calculator/releases/tag/v0.14-alpha Dumb question but how do I open this? Does it need to go in the game folder etc?
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Jul 12, 2016 06:58
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Lakedaimon posted:Yorck might be my favorite cruiser of all time. I thought I was going to hate it, but its fantastic at kiting. Guns have good range and superb accuracy. It's just nimble enough to make battleships give up and shoot at an easier target after a salvo or two. And although the guns are a tad slow to reload, I found it extremely good at killing DDs with those potent HE rounds and super sonar. I regretted buying the Hipper right from go, and even though I know it would be considerably better I don't think ill bother with the Roon or Hindenburg anytime soon if ever. You are missing a couple of very nice ships if you don't get the Roon and Hindenburg.
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Jul 12, 2016 07:02
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Lakedaimon posted:I regretted buying the Hipper right from go, and even though I know it would be considerably better I don't think ill bother with the Roon or Hindenburg anytime soon if ever. I had exactly the same experience but eventually decided to get a Roon and I can 100% say it was worth it. It has 50% better RoF with 1 more gun, much better AA and a lot more HP which also translates into better heals. I wouldn't hesitate to say abandon the Hipper and get the Roon.
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Jul 12, 2016 09:22
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Blinks77 posted:The opposing teams terror just up until you fire your guns, watch a shell go backwards and citadel a friendly cruiser. It's my understanding that you're better off using HE all the time in the Mikasa, due to the AP shells bouncing off the sides of tier II cruisers.
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Jul 12, 2016 10:11
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Burt posted:Dumb question but how do I open this? Does it need to go in the game folder etc?
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Jul 12, 2016 11:27
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CitizenKain posted:I've watched a couple brawl and they were 3km from each other and I don't think they landed more then 2 hits from multiple salvos. However, it has secondaries out the rear end. Tossing a secondary spec'd captain in one of those will probably do pretty well, until you run across someone in a destroyer. Actually, Mikasa does kinda well against destroyers. She's slow, but salso rather short for a battleship and she turns on a dime. I've had cases in mine where I frustated DDs hard enough to get them to try and yolo-torp me. Then the secondaries mulched 'em. Magni fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Jul 12, 2016 14:14
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welp looks like the patch crashes my game pre-login e: reinstalled & ok guidoanselmi fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Jul 12, 2016 16:28
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Yubari trip report: It's alright.
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Jul 12, 2016 23:48
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guidoanselmi posted:welp looks like the patch crashes my game pre-login Launcher --> Settings --> Support --> Check did the trick for me, without re-downloading a billion GB.
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Jul 13, 2016 00:23
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is there a guide to just exactly what tree "is"? I played this game way back when it was released and i had a ton of Japanese stuff but now i don't really know what the Soviet, German and developed US and Japanese trees are supposed to be. Are the Japanese still the go fast, big guns and torps and no armor dudes? This game needs more guides. Also, what's the goddamned button to lock your guns in place?
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Jul 13, 2016 00:26
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Mans posted:
You can hold the right mouse button to lock your guns.
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Jul 13, 2016 00:47
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ctrl x locks your guns on their current bearing. Holding right mouse also does this.
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Jul 13, 2016 00:48
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Rule of the thumb: Don't get Montana and don't bother with US cruisers after Cleveland.
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Jul 13, 2016 00:55
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Pretty much stop at T5 on everything but every Japanese tree, except US DDs to the Benson. Warships is WG's game for the Asian/Otaku crowd, so  will never be nerfed.
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Jul 13, 2016 01:23
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So I just watched a Scharnhost run a train on my team because people are loving idiots and ran into its torps. All they had to do was keep some distance, but a dumbfuck in a full health Indianapolis was trying to ram him, ate the entire volley and was murdered by the Scharn's secondaries. Then a minute later, a Colorado got too close and did the same loving thing. For having small guns at that tier, the Scharn had no issues penning a Colorado at 5ish km. Plus they seemed pretty accurate. Armor seemed pretty good too.
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Jul 13, 2016 02:26
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Anything can pen at 5km. Scharnhorst seems pretty good in general though.
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Jul 13, 2016 02:36
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Pretty much stop at T5 on everything but every Japanese tree, except US DDs to the Benson. Warships is WG's game for the Asian/Otaku crowd, so Tell that to the Kagero and Shimakaze, that have gotten hit with huge torpedo nerfs. Mostly for the same reason as CVs in general - whiny players who don't want to adapt their playstyle. Well, Shimakaze may have gotten its ahistorical speed nerf due to infringing on the make-believe Russian DD speeds instead. Oh, and looking at the overall win rates (handily listed on Warships Today), the only non-premium ships even on the Top 10 list are all Russian (Moskva, Khabarovsk & Udaloi). And the acknowledged "OP, we're never selling it again" Imperator Nikolai I ranks #1.
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Jul 13, 2016 02:50
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Burt posted:You are missing a couple of very nice ships if you don't get the Roon and Hindenburg. I know the Roon is supposed to be great, but its more that I just dislike cruisers at high tiers. They get worse at killing DDs, and everything else seems to drastically increase in killing power. And with carriers so drat rare right now it feels like you are taking half a ship out there.
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Jul 13, 2016 02:54
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Lord Koth posted:Tell that to the Kagero and Shimakaze, that have gotten hit with huge torpedo nerfs. Mostly for the same reason as CVs in general - whiny players who don't want to adapt their playstyle. Well, Shimakaze may have gotten its ahistorical speed nerf due to infringing on the make-believe Russian DD speeds instead. Whats the deal with the Imperator Nikolai? I don't think I've ever seen one have much of an impact in a battle beyond being somewhat hard to kill.
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Jul 13, 2016 03:08
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CitizenKain posted:Whats the deal with the Imperator Nikolai? I don't think I've ever seen one have much of an impact in a battle beyond being somewhat hard to kill. It can fire nine guns forward while maintaining decent angling, which no other BB can do (and certainly not at tier 4).
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Jul 13, 2016 03:11
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Forums Terrorist posted:Mikasa is super bad, but it's worth when you're the only BB in a tier 2 game and you terrify the newbies. I already have a Tachibana for that, though.
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Jul 13, 2016 03:29
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Sperglord Actual posted:I already have a Tachibana for that, though. They're fun but terrible in completely different ways!
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Jul 13, 2016 03:41
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wdarkk posted:It can fire nine guns forward while maintaining decent angling, which no other BB can do (and certainly not at tier 4). It's also quite small, with very short upper works, which makes it really easy for shells on flatter trajectories to miss completely
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Jul 13, 2016 05:20
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Miserable night. Started off with 2 quick wins, like I had been steamrolling the previous 2 nights. Then bammmmmmm a wall of some of the worst team play I've seen in ranked this season. I should have just logged off. Instead I have no progress made. Feeling the pressure with every loss is not improving my play.
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Jul 13, 2016 05:59
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Lord Koth posted:And the acknowledged "OP, we're never selling it again" Imperator Nikolai I ranks #1. Really glad I bought it, then. I should really get around to playing it. 
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Jul 13, 2016 06:38
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CitizenKain posted:Whats the deal with the Imperator Nikolai? I don't think I've ever seen one have much of an impact in a battle beyond being somewhat hard to kill. As said, 9 guns forward while still maintaining bow on. The turret faces themselves are also well atmored. The guns are also quite accurate both in having a tight spread and flatter tragectory. This is atypical of bbs at that tier that have more of a shotgun approach. The main weakness is the lack of aa. As in, yhere is like 3 piddly machine guns for defense. Teaming with a yubari would actually not be a bad idea. Played properly, it is a durable threat even in tier 5 matches. And the guns can still give solid hell at tier 6 as well.
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Jul 13, 2016 08:46
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Lakedaimon posted:I know the Roon is supposed to be great, but its more that I just dislike cruisers at high tiers. They get worse at killing DDs, and everything else seems to drastically increase in killing power. And with carriers so drat rare right now it feels like you are taking half a ship out there. The Des Moines will kill any DD within 10km in about 12 seconds (3 salvos) Yeah cruisers become very vulnerable at higher tiers due to BBs also becoming fearsome, but the same also applies to DDs. I can get caught out in my Kamikaze/Clemson and have a decent chance to survive thanks to smoke and lower tier ship inaccuracy but if something like a Chappy, Des Moines, Roon or Hindenberg catches a DD out of position, it is almost certainly dead thanks to RoF and/or Radar. I think the key to high level cruiser survival is patience, concealment and map awareness. Don't press too far ahead of BBs (although ideally you need to support DDs capping as well so this is the hardest thing to balance). Between salvos, have a look at where enemy BBs are pointing their guns. If they start swivelling towards you, stop firing, adjust speed, maneuver. Most of the T8+ cruisers can get very low detection radius thanks to the Stealth module and also getting close to the 15 point captain.
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Jul 13, 2016 08:50
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I just have a few quick questions I wanted to ask as I am slowly getting back into this game. 1. Is there any tricks to being a better gunner? I know that different ships have different arcs and speed on their guns but I was just wondering if there is any useful, general things that can help you be more accurate. I find my shots are often either too slow, too fast or just go over the target. 2. I am on the German Tier IV cruiser and I heard it is not very good. Is it M3 Lee levels of bad (I havent played enough to get an idea) or is it just the standard Wargame 'Give up playing sub optimal ship and buy premium' sort of deal? 3. I heard German cruisers tend to fall off after tier V. Is this true and if so should I just stick with the tier V German cruiser, moving onto something else? 4. Is the Warspite worth picking up or is it rubbish?
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Jul 13, 2016 16:42
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SkySteak posted:I just have a few quick questions I wanted to ask as I am slowly getting back into this game. 1. Practice and experience is the most effective teacher of course, there is a couple of tricks though. Which https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdcqYAUP1vQ explains better than i can. 2. The Karl is drat awful, at least it was when i tried it. It's gotten a few buffs since then but i've no idea if they were enough. 3. Otherwise i've found the line very up and down. Tier 5 is very good, tier 6 i didn't like, tier 7 was excellent, tier 8 was kinda bad, tier 9 I've found excellent. I'd imagine it's a difficult line for someone new to the game though as you've very dependant on AP and knowing when and where to use that tends to need experience. The Japanese line might be a better choice. HE gives no fucks to angling. 4. I'm not fond, too short ranged and too slow.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:11
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I like Warspite a lot- it has 15" guns vs 14" on everything else T6, and good secondaries/AA/ maneuverability. It's also faster than US BBS. The only downside imo is glacial turrets.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:23
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Gwaihir posted:I like Warspite a lot- it has 15" guns vs 14" on everything else T6, and good secondaries/AA/ maneuverability. It's also faster than US BBS. It's a shame that the Warspite didn't get the 4 torpedo tubes it had at Jutland (but didn't use as far as I can tell). You probably could have done some funny stuff with them. They were removed before/during WW2.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:29
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When Brit ships are actually introduced I'd wager the non premium will have the different pre ww2 refit with torps/ post refit with AA available.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:35
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Gwaihir posted:When Brit ships are actually introduced I'd wager the non premium will have the different pre ww2 refit with torps/ post refit with AA available. Something tells me the Queen Elizabeth class isn't going to be in the tree (unless it's been confirmed. I'm new to the game and haven't seen a possible Brit BB tree) the same way that the US Pennsylvania class got the Arizona as a premium but isn't part of the tree. That said, the Bismark is going to be a non-Premium T8 and the Tirpitz is a Premium so who knows.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:40
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Pretty sure there will be no torps on non-premium BBs.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:48
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JuffoWup posted:As said, 9 guns forward while still maintaining bow on. The turret faces themselves are also well armored. The guns are also quite accurate both in having a tight spread and flatter trajectory. This is atypical of bbs at that tier that have more of a shotgun approach. The main weakness is the lack of aa. As in, yhere is like 3 piddly machine guns for defense. Teaming with a yubari would actually not be a bad idea. wdarkk posted:It can fire nine guns forward while maintaining decent angling, which no other BB can do (and certainly not at tier 4). Ok, that makes sense. I'll have to remind myself to focus those down in the future. One thing I dislike with WoWs is they do a worse job of making premium ships available, a bunch of ships are around for a few weeks and then disappear for good. Usually it seems that is because they forgot to balance them properly. Looking at you Gremyaschy.
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Jul 13, 2016 18:07
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Why don't they just rebalance the drat things, then? Because the people who bought them whine if they do?
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Jul 13, 2016 18:24
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Night10194 posted:Why don't they just rebalance the drat things, then? Yes.
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