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quote:He’s behind Dorial Green-Beckham and Corey Coleman, who have proven exactly nothing in the NFL. *takes deep breath* Dgb has proven he could possibly be a physical dominant receiver
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That was pretty drat click-baity. I agree that Smith is undervalued, but I don't think it's the deep threat who gets the most work in Chip Kelly's offense, it's the slot receiver. All aboard the Bruce Ellington hype train, choo choo!
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Mikey Purp posted:That was pretty drat click-baity. I agree that Smith is undervalued, but I don't think it's the deep threat who gets the most work in Chip Kelly's offense, it's the slot receiver. All aboard the Bruce Ellington hype train, choo choo! Actually Deandre Smelter is going to tear it up
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"this rookie receiver hasn't proven anything in the NFL, how dare you draft him before a guy who just had his worst season in his career and a total question mark at QB?"
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Jul 13, 2016 19:00
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That particular rookie has RG3 throwing to him so I don't know if you're proving the point you're trying to prove.
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Okay so tell me I'm not being irrational. I'm in a bit of a goofy league. We're a custom MFL 12-team league that tries to mix things up to keep things fresh (8 years running so far). One of the things we've done the last few years is allow all teams, regardless of season record, into the playoffs. Division winners get a first week bye and the seeding is reordered after each week according to season record (ensuring the season's best team always plays the season's worst remaining team). So this year, the commish is proposing giving higher seeded playoff teams a 6 point "home team" advantage. His reasoning goes something like "poorly performing teams wouldn't even be given a playoff chance except here so this is just to reward those teams that do well." I'm pretty aghast at the boldness of granting an extra touchdown to "better" players. I'm of the opinion that there are already enough benefits built into the playoff bracket system itself (high seeds playing low seeds, the every week re-seeding). But am I over-reacting?
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Coleman's QB situation is not a plus, but his ability, opportunity, and coaching staff are. I like the rest of the article and agree with the point that you shouldn't avoid Smith because LOLNiners, I just thought the line about DGB and Coleman was odd. There's plenty to like about those guys too. I'd rather use Snead or Marvin Jones as examples of players who probably shouldn't be drafted before Smith.
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I gotcha. I may have not been clear in that paragraph that it was team's #1 WRs only that I was looking at, so they wouldn't have made it.
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But Dgb isn't the wr#1 though
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Jul 13, 2016 20:51
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Spoeank posted:That particular rookie has RG3 throwing to him so I don't know if you're proving the point you're trying to prove. Let's play a game called "Guess the QB!!": pre:Player Comp/G Att/G % Y/G Y/A 300+ TD/G Int/G QB#1 22.25 35.25 63.10 253.90 7.20 2.00 1.25 0.88 QB#2 21.08 35.08 60.10 246.40 7.00 3.00 1.23 0.92 QB#3 18.06 29.88 60.50 210.60 7.00 1.00 1.19 0.63 pre:Player Comp/G Att/G % Y/G Y/A 300+ TD/G Int/G QB#4 28.53 41.80 68.30 324.70 7.80 10.00 2.13 0.73 Mikey Purp fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 13, 2016 21:20
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Metapod posted:But Dgb isn't the wr#1 though He is by FantasyPros ADP, which is what I went by buthe's trash
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Jul 13, 2016 21:43
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Please note I don't think DGB is trash just that he may have Christine Michael Disease aka Just Doesn't Get It Syndrome
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DGB is raw as hell and I just wanted to make sure you honestly thought he was going to be the number 1 this year because he's not
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Spoeank posted:Please note I don't think DGB is trash just that he may have Christine Michael Disease aka Just Doesn't Get It Syndrome Here Lies Justin Hunter, Remember the good times when people thought he would be a thing
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That Christine Michael train from last year, tho.
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Benne posted:Here Lies Justin Hunter, Remember the good times when people thought he would be a thing That first season that composed of nothing but a small sample size of sheer highlight catches was a thing of beauty
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Spoeank posted:Please note I don't think DGB is trash just that he may have Christine Michael Disease aka Just Doesn't Get It Syndrome Poor Jerious Norwood even lost his disease
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89 posted:That Christine Michael train from last year, tho. I'm stashing him everywhere I can in dynasty. I Want To Believe.
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RVProfootballer posted:I'm stashing him everywhere I can in dynasty. I Want To Believe. You should be stashing C.J. Prosise instead
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Spoeank posted:Please note I don't think DGB is trash just that he may have Christine Michael Disease aka Just Doesn't Get It Syndrome
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Jul 13, 2016 23:20
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Probably because he's on the titans and the time a physical freak looked the part for the Titans he immediately had a season ending injury then went back to mediocrity
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Benne posted:You should be stashing C.J. Prosise instead He's being overvalued imo, going like 1.07-1.10. Michael is free.
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Tiptoes posted:Your hate for DGB seems almost irrational at this point. He was playing ~50 snaps a game by the end of last season so to put him in a "just doesn't get it" category already seems like nonsense to me. Why do you believe he is so worthless? We're talking about his fantasy value by snap counts. He got 8 targets in his last two games. He got pulled on running plays because is a lazy blocker. He can't separate when he gets bodied up to save his life despite being a physical freak. His route running is sloppy. He says he's going to go into the off-season working to become the Titans #1 receiver then the next thing we see from him is Mike Bullshit having to slot him as a backup to get a boot up his rear end. It's really hard to be in the NFL and even harder to be good in the NFL. You have to be a physical freak and also try. Nothing in DGB's past or present shows he has any intention of trying. I'm open to changing my interpretation of him as camp and preseason approaches but as of right now he's shown me nothing to show he can have any sort of consistency completely due to his own inability to put in effort.
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This absolutely has nothing to do with your point but check mate  https://youtu.be/AYu42eqrQGQ
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If coaches are putting a rookie out there for 50 snaps a game, then he isn't a C-Mike shithead who couldn't even get on the field until his reunion with the Seahawks. He may be a flawed player but he GETS football. He just needs to get better at it, like pretty much every rookie player. drat you are harsh on a dude who was definitely not the worst rookie ever.
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I feel like I went back in time and read a Raiders Randy Moss post.
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Tiptoes posted:If coaches are putting a rookie out there for 50 snaps a game, then he isn't a C-Mike shithead who couldn't even get on the field until his reunion with the Seahawks. He may be a flawed player but he GETS football. He just needs to get better at it, like pretty much every rookie player. drat right I'm harsh. I'm harsh in that this is my evaluation of him after one season with the information I have in front of me. This evaluation will change if DGB shows me something. I'm not counting him out at all, I'm saying with what I have he's not worth your time in 2016. Again, come August, this might change.
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Look at this pussy not going do or die on his hot takes
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*slams fist on table* DGB SUCKS NOW AND HE'LL SUCK FOR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS
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But what if DGB
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Spoeank posted:*slams fist on table* Yes now I will hit you with the ultimate burn when he breaks out
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Oh no I was just joking what have I done. And then tiptoes caught my secret fantasy football racism. No no no none of this is going according to plan I just wanted Torrey Smith hot taeks
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Spoeank you've been eXp0SeD
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i like spoeank's opinions spoeank for taq mod DGB could be good, but right now there are just better options w/r/t estimated production vs. ADP (Smith, Moncreif) and nothing really matters right now because we're essentially still in the best ball phase so sopeank's hot take is super en fuego while also exactly right for this very second in time so yeah what clone out e: torrey smith will still be a fevered nightmare only worthy of the darkest souls Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Oh I'd take several guys before DGB at his 9th round ADP. Jamison Crowder and Mike Thomas are two youngsters I like more. Kamar Aiken too, although I expect his ADP to move above the 9th before drafts but if it does, change it to V-Jax then who can also be had after DGB. Could even take Rishard Matthews in the last round and probably outproduce DGB. But I'm always going to target dudes like DGB somewhere in drafts who have the physical profile of WR1s and just need to make that jump to the next level.
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Look, just don't draft a Titan who isn't Delanie Walker. Duh. Problem solved.
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Thwomp posted:Okay so tell me I'm not being irrational. I have a league that does this. It's only 5 points rather than 6 though. It's never struck me as being too much of a big deal either way.
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Ben Nevis posted:I have a league that does this. It's only 5 points rather than 6 though. It's never struck me as being too much of a big deal either way. I think that's mostly how I'd view it too, except I definitely would prefer not to have that bonus. A 5 or 6 point boost is like turning their RB2 into a stud RB1, which is a pretty nice advantage, but also not a huge deal compared to week to week variability of scoring.
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Quick dynasty question for you guys: I've just signed up to a new startup league - 2 QB, 0.5 PPR, 2 RB/3 WR/1 TE/2 flex, 12 teams. This is my first 2QB league, but the scoring rules seem to be geared for big plays. QB: 1 pt for every 50 yards passing, 3 points for a 300 yard game, +1 for 400, etc. 4 pts for passing TDs, 6 pts for rushing TDs. Also 1 point per 20 yards rushing/receiving, 3 points for 100 yards rushing/receiving. So... how the hell do I draft for this? Looking at scoring for last year the top 5 total points were Cam, Brady, A. Brown, Palmer and Julio with Cam having a pretty large lead for 1st. RBs seem to be pretty low in scoring compared to WRs here too so I'm thinking I need to target QBs and WRs early on and pray for RB dart throws and value picks mid-rounds?
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Amergin posted:Quick dynasty question for you guys: I don't think it changes much from more typical yardage with respect to QB vs WR/RB. What it does is really value TDs. Boom/bust deep threats get a bump, goal line backs (Hill, Blount, maybe Ivory?) get a bump. Running vs passing QBs still similar trade offs, as passing QBs should get more passing TDs than running QBs, ya know? Bumps up good TEs some, since while they get less yardage than WRs, they'll get a competitive number of TDs. Edit: But yeah, 2 QB plus yardage values decreased means you need to hit QBs early and often. Almost certainly will be worth it to reach slightly on a QB than to go for a better WR and miss out on a QB run, for example. sourdough fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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