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So who is the next champ riot is gonna inject into the rework list to hold further off on yorick?
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Jul 13, 2016 18:37
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i think warwick has a rework coming at some point but they want to rework a bunch of assassins first lmao
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Jul 13, 2016 18:40
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exethan posted:i think warwick has a rework coming at some point but they want to rework a bunch of assassins first lmao warwick owns they better not touch woofman except unless they make him summon more wolves and also make them howl at diana
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Jul 13, 2016 18:45
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Tired Moritz posted:new sona feels bad What feels bad about her? The damage off her q active is that significant?
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Jul 13, 2016 18:49
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Tired Moritz posted:new sona feels bad alternatively new sona feels cool and good
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Jul 13, 2016 18:53
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Coca Koala posted:What feels bad about her? The damage off her q active is that significant? They also replaced the neat Crescendo buff with an almost-not-really CD reduction on her auras. Buffs Faceroll Sona but makes One Punch Woman Sona a little less fun.
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Jul 13, 2016 18:53
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Neurolimal posted:They also replaced the neat Crescendo buff with an almost-not-really CD reduction on her auras. Buffs Faceroll Sona but makes One Punch Woman Sona a little less fun. Looking at the patch notes, and with the recent changes to talisman, I assumed midgame Sona was going to be an unkillable shitlord. Talisman -> Athenes/Iceborn/Frozen Heart ->Spirit Visage Second item would be heavily dependant on enemy comp, but you'd have 40cdr and be real hard to kill with W spam. Not the best build, but funny.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:00
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CubeTheory posted:Looking at the patch notes, and with the recent changes to talisman, I assumed midgame Sona was going to be an unkillable shitlord. more than 40 cdr, because the cdr from her new R takes her over the cap.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:02
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Coca Koala posted:more than 40 cdr, because the cdr from her new R takes her over the cap. Her R cdr is base cooldown. It is unnaffected by the cap. I believe with 40 cdr and max R she has like 65% cdr.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:03
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CubeTheory posted:Looking at the patch notes, and with the recent changes to talisman, I assumed midgame Sona was going to be an unkillable shitlord. Sona is probably the best user of the Blue Dagger line in the game. Talisman is a waste on her. Sona is a good user of Athene's but only if she can safely get it off repeatedly in fights, if there are big threats to her she's better off with traditional support active items like Mikael's/Locket. Iceborn, Frozen Heart, and Spirit Visage are all bad items on supports generally, and extra bad on Sona specifically. They are items that are best paired with other high gold tank items for maximum synergy and supports never have a beefy enough core build to get the synergy between them.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:04
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what DO you build on sona these days
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Jul 13, 2016 19:05
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Libertine posted:Sona is probably the best user of the Blue Dagger line in the game. Talisman is a waste on her. Hey its like you read my entire post except the part where I said the build was bad and just funny. Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:05
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CubeTheory posted:Hey its like you read my entire post except the part where I said the build was bad and just funny. Thanks for agreeing with me. Sorry, only Bond is allowed to suggest bad builds in this thread. It's in the rules. People are too impressionable.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:07
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Kashuno posted:So who is the next champ riot is gonna inject into the rework list to hold further off on yorick? *MAkes a big kappa face* ryze
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Jul 13, 2016 19:10
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I hope Nunu is on the rework list, he hasn't kept pace very well with the updates, had a moment in the sun one or two years ago before being nerfed and forcing them to split the exp 50/50 on the smaller creeps in a camp so nunu doesn't deny level 2 forever, has since then been forgotten about and is probably one of the more boring champs to play aside from ulting in a bush. That, and the visual/audio side of nunu is by far the worst one in the game, gotta play nunubot just to avoid listening to his default 10 lines on repeat forever.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:10
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Iceborn is legit on Sona if your botlane is snowballing out of control and you want to solo the other team's jungler e: It's definitely better than Lichbane, holy lol at her champion.gg builds
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Jul 13, 2016 19:12
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Libertine posted:Sorry, only Bond is allowed to suggest bad builds in this thread. It's in the rules. People are too impressionable. Alright, let me defend parts of it then. Frozen Heart is core support build on 7 out of the top 20 supports. Iceborn is interesting on Sona as a kiting item because you can have the proc up 100% of the time it's not on cooldown. Sona's new W has such a short cooldown when built out, and is doubly affected by both Windspeaker's Blessing and Runic Armor masteries, allowing for a large effective pool of health, allowing the flat protective stats of Talisman/Athene's/Iceborn/Frozen Heart to be much more effective. Athene's get's significantly more procs because you can play much more aggressively since you're able to take so many more hits. I'm not gonna defend spirit visage though, that's probably not so hot :p
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Jul 13, 2016 19:14
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Haven't paid much attention to support builds since the support patch, hows censer and grail been on the shield/heal spamming supports like karma/sona/janna/raka and the like? Any of them turn into a break-away star with the new power on censer or karma being able to heal with her shields, or have the items just not caught on enough yet? I had to look up censer just to remind myself what it does now. Or are they just too niche and get in the way of building the actually good items that can swing a game like locket mikaels and zekes?
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Jul 13, 2016 19:16
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Haven't paid much attention to support builds since the support patch, hows censer and grail been on the shield/heal spamming supports like karma/sona/janna/raka and the like? Ardent Censer rush is pretty funny on Janna, if nothing else. Especially if you're laning with a Kog'Maw.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:20
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Just finished a second game as new Sona and wow that poo poo is bonkers. If you get an ocean drake the game gets absolutely ridiculous
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Jul 13, 2016 19:21
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CubeTheory posted:Alright, let me defend parts of it then. Frozen Heart is core support build on 7 out of the top 20 supports. Iceborn is interesting on Sona as a kiting item because you can have the proc up 100% of the time it's not on cooldown. Sona's new W has such a short cooldown when built out, and is doubly affected by both Windspeaker's Blessing and Runic Armor masteries, allowing for a large effective pool of health, allowing the flat protective stats of Talisman/Athene's/Iceborn/Frozen Heart to be much more effective. Athene's get's significantly more procs because you can play much more aggressively since you're able to take so many more hits. Frozen Heart is built way too frequently on supports. They don't have the requisite health pool to survive long skirmishes in order to make it's passive shine. It should be a supplementary item only for champions who build high health items and defense in every single other slot (i.e. Malphite). There's a glacial shroud based item that is excellent for supports and their ADCs and it's called Zeke's Harbinger and there's almost no instance (except maybe full anti-AD) where it's not a better choice than FH or IBG.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:24
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I like ardent censer on Bard. It helps make his W a little more impactful in fights. That said, I'm usually laning with someone that wants crits instead, and I have to buy zeke's.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:25
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Libertine posted:Frozen Heart is built way too frequently on supports. They don't have the requisite health pool to survive long skirmishes in order to make it's passive shine. It should be a supplementary item only for champions who build high health items and defense in every single other slot (i.e. Malphite). There's a glacial shroud based item that is excellent for supports and their ADCs and it's called Zeke's Harbinger and there's almost no instance (except maybe full anti-AD) where it's not a better choice than FH or IBG. This is kind of unrelated to our current dumb argument, but do you think Zeke's Harbinger is useful in low elo solo queue? I feel like people pretty much never play to the passive and it seems like such an important piece of the item.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:26
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A lot of AD carries get 70-80% crit, making part of zekes kind of worthless
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Jul 13, 2016 19:27
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CubeTheory posted:This is kind of unrelated to our current dumb argument, but do you think Zeke's Harbinger is useful in low elo solo queue? I feel like people pretty much never play to the passive and it seems like such an important piece of the item. I build it all the time. It turns ADC into a god when it goes off and can single-handedly win team fights by accident. You don't have to play around it. When someone goes gold they just destroy poo poo.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:27
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henkman posted:A lot of AD carries get 70-80% crit, making part of zekes kind of worthless You can always just pop it on the mid laner in late game
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Jul 13, 2016 19:29
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henkman posted:A lot of AD carries get 70-80% crit, making part of zekes kind of worthless who are these lucker dog noobs getting over 50% crit in their adc builds
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Jul 13, 2016 19:29
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also was there ever any chance that "but should i buy a good support item at low elo" was going to be asked. if your teammate is too stupid to take advantage of one of your items then you are too and its a madhouse and just buy the useful items.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:30
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henkman posted:A lot of AD carries get 70-80% crit, making part of zekes kind of worthless It's still a damage increase in those situations, and the redirect active has such a low cooldown that if you're worried about MAX EFFICIENCY you could put it on a mage to stack rabadon or a bruiser who is less likely to have a shitload of crit (especially with the T-Force changes and Goatblade changes). It really is an amazing item that should be built more often.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:31
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rabidsquid posted:who are these lucker dog noobs getting over 50% crit in their adc builds http://champion.gg/champion/Ashe/ADC http://champion.gg/champion/Jinx/ADC http://champion.gg/champion/Sivir/ADC http://champion.gg/champion/Caitlyn/ADC Pretty everyone who doesn't build something weird first like ghostblade
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Jul 13, 2016 19:31
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Even if it is only giving them 30% crit it's still putting them at 100% crit which is savage. When you Ricochet through an enemy team with 100% crit the game is pretty much over.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:31
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henkman posted:http://champion.gg/champion/Ashe/ADC I do not like playing any of those ADCs. Well Ashe and Jinx are okay, but Sivir and Caitlyn are definitely the lucker dog noob ADCs. edit: okay Caitlyn is all right too, truly nobody is on the lucker dog level of Sivir.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:33
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It gets built very little in high elo and never in pro play, and isn't in any of the top winrate support builds. Items sucks and is for idiots
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Jul 13, 2016 19:33
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Cait has been insanely fun since the ADC rework wave. Every trap shot is the most satisfying thing.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:36
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Neurolimal posted:warwick owns they better not touch woofman except unless they make him summon more wolves and also make them howl at diana hire this man
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Jul 13, 2016 19:36
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if you survive the first 10 minutes of the game with sivir you will probaly win. her ultimate helps out every single person on your team and you get a chance to use it every 50 seconds. excellent champion
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Jul 13, 2016 19:41
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henkman posted:It gets built very little in high elo and never in pro play, and isn't in any of the top winrate support builds. Items sucks and is for idiots Lolking says it has a ~60% win rate on almost every support who builds it in solo queue. I don't know if that matters Thresh with: Zeke's: 58% WR Frozen Heart: 55% WR Leona with: Zeke's: 63% WR Frozen Heart: 62% WR Bard with: Zeke's: 63% WR Frozen Heart: 56% WR Alistar with: Zeke's: 55% WR Frozen Heart: 55% WR At the very least it breaks even while being 450g cheaper than Frozen Heart. Frozen Heart is more impactful the more melee you are and the more ancillary tank items you have, but for many supports that isn't an option, and for others it's only a situational one in heavy anti-AD builds.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:41
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exethan posted:if you survive the first 10 minutes of the game with sivir you will probaly win. her ultimate helps out every single person on your team and you get a chance to use it every 50 seconds. excellent champion I didn't say the scuttle crab is a bad champion, but I do not find her fun to play at all.
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Jul 13, 2016 19:43
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but you can throw pizzas at people
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