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Kemper Boyd posted:Harrison talks in Ett Stort Lidande Har Kommit Över Oss (unless I am misremembering where I read this) that it wasn't always the case: there's some sources where some burgher or peasant talks about "his" quartered soldier who was like a son to him. For all the brutality, the 30YW was in many unlikely ways a war without hate.
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HEY GAL posted:it's the best epitaph In terms of epitaphs, Sulla was definitely on his level "No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full”
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I mean when you're in a hypermasculine group as a professional soldier at war for ages, it probably seems reasonable. Being drunk as gently caress all the time probably had something to do with it. It seems like these guys are legitimately never sober. Now I want to see a remake of trailer park boys, but with Ricky and Julian as 30YW mercenaries.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:In terms of epitaphs, Sulla was definitely on his level oh, here's a good one: when The Great Conde beat the Imperialist general Mercy at the second battle of Noerdlingen, in which Mercy was killed, Conde had a pillar erected on the spot where Mercy died that said "Stop traveler, here is a hero's dust." That was classy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Mercy HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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100 Years Ago Yesterday: The Italians, masters of the proportionate response, attempt to blow up a mountain, with predictable results. The last German push for Fort Souville and Fort Tavannes fails; Evelyn Southwell has heard the news; and I come in off the long run to diagnose why the Battle of the Somme has been drifting aimlessly for the last ten days. (Unhappily, it's not as cathartic as I hoped it was going to be.) Today: German attacks at Verdun are now suspended until further notice; the Somme has achieved something. (By all means, make the argument that what it achieved wasn't worth achieving, or worth the cost...) Someone plans a diversionary attack at Fromelles; an artillery spotter gives us a snapshot of Trones Wood right now (spoilers, it's poo poo); and the BEF has just discovered that the German army has been listening to all their field-telephone conversations for months, at the very least. Great news in the light of that attack on Bazentin Ridge that's coming up tomorrow, huh? Still, the Germans are busy completely reorganising themselves, so who knows? The obstacles between the Russians and Erzincan continue falling like ninepins; E.S. Thompson tries to keep morale up; Maximilian Mugge brings us "a day in the life of a crock"; and Louis Barthas meets some Russians (that is not a misprint).
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Trin Tragula posted:100 Years Ago About 2/3rds of the first post is in italics, just so you know...
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aphid_licker posted:Isn't the Chinese military about as powerful relatively to everyone around it as it was during the cold war, pretty large, and modernizing rapidly? Yeah, I think it's a bit much to argue that the Chinese military is poo poo. You will read all sorts of stuff about how entire divisions are police-grade make-work units where soldiers shoot their guns twice in their careers, but they also have a core of very competent people with equipment that isn't poo poo. They also have a lot of capabilities re: land based anti-shipping missiles that cause a lot of people headaches.
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Jul 13, 2016 14:26
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And they are one of the new armies taking the whole electronic warfare threat seriously.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Post cold-war question: Why does Russia still have a decent military while China does not? Why on earth do you think the Chinese don't have a "decent military"? Considering their national priorities and strategies the force they've built over the last couple decades is absolutely superb.
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Jul 13, 2016 14:34
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SeanBeansShako posted:And they are one of the new armies taking the whole electronic warfare threat seriously. "Cyberwarfare" too, however you want to parse that CNN-headline buzzword.
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Cyrano4747 posted:"Cyberwarfare" too, however you want to parse that CNN-headline buzzword. I am so glad my country will be spending the next decade trying to unfuck itself and be way too busy for any military adventures as from what I can tell with the UK nobody in the government seems to know or care enough about that sort of threat.
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Jul 13, 2016 14:40
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Antti posted:Is this some archaic or regional thing? I have never heard such a saying. Mikkeli region, used by a few friends from thereabouts. Ataxerxes fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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Jul 13, 2016 15:21
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SeanBeansShako posted:I am so glad my country will be spending the next decade trying to unfuck itself and be way too busy for any military adventures as from what I can tell with the UK nobody in the government seems to know or care enough about that sort of threat. Right now the military in no way allows people to backstab the people ahead of them in their own party so I think that's a safe assumption e: you will be getting ASW aircraft again, I've heard. The UK got rid of all of its ASW aircraft in 2010, and has been relying on the French and Canada to do its ASW work since then
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SeanBeansShako posted:I am so glad my country will be spending the next decade trying to unfuck itself and be way too busy for any military adventures as from what I can tell with the UK nobody in the government seems to know or care enough about that sort of threat. There's a very real chance that there will be two separate armed forces on your island in near future!
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HEY GAL posted:oh, i'm not talking about that sort of thing (and i've found some good interactions between soldiers and civilians as well) but about their...guilelessness. You'd think someone should have told the dudes who signed that letter that getting drunk and writing "COME AT US FERDINAND, DO U EVEN LIFT" was a bad idea, but... I volunteer with people who were given suspended sentences and during a trial the buddy of one of my dudes was asked by the court if he still intended to kill the cop who arrested him, as he had said during the arrest. Court trial, some decent prison time on the table, everyone is sober and sitting down dressed in their finest, no social group egging the guy on, the cop is sitting right fuckin there, the judge is visibly incredulous/pissed, and still that dude had to put some 30 agonizing seconds of concentrated thought into whether or not he wanted to enter his intention to kill a police officer into the trial transcript. His defender's facial expression was hilarious. In the end he went with "no". I think it's not guileless exactly but a sort of psychological and social dynamic that ends in an inability to back down.
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lollllllaphid_licker posted:I think it's not guileless exactly but a sort of psychological and social dynamic that ends in an inability to back down.
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Yeah it's a bitch when Johann and Henricus get to the sacking before you do and hog all the boss silks.
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Ataxerxes posted:Mikkeli region, used by a few frieds from thereabouts. I heard that the government of Finland was paying young couples like 10k euro to move to Mikkeli and have a kid. Is this true or was I just super hosed up at Midsummer and had some Finns loving with me.
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SeanBeansShako posted:I am so glad my country will be spending the next decade trying to unfuck itself and be way too busy for any military adventures as from what I can tell with the UK nobody in the government seems to know or care enough about that sort of threat. Instead we are going to get Trident 2: Nuclear Boogaloo and Theresa May writing BURN THEM ALL BURN THEM ALL BURN THEM ALL as her Letters of Last Resort
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I heard that the government of Finland was paying young couples like 10k euro to move to Mikkeli and have a kid. Is this true or was I just super hosed up at Midsummer and had some Finns loving with me. they were hitting on you
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HEY GAL posted:lollllll HEYGAL, this is your pitch to publishers/HBO "The thirty years war is totally street and Thug Life! Imagine Samurai Champloo except with pikes and cultural references white people will get. I got L'tl John to go "YEAAAHHHHHH" and "KINGS OF CRUNK" over some period Italian music as our theme song."
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MikeCrotch posted:Instead we are going to get Trident 2: Nuclear Boogaloo and Theresa May writing BURN THEM ALL BURN THEM ALL BURN THEM ALL as her Letters of Last Resort I don't want to think about what the gently caress will happen with the whole Trident system, it'll give me some sort of stress brain tumour.
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Nebakenezzer posted:HEYGAL, this is your pitch to publishers/HBO I want to see a pike square doing some sweet funky drumline poo poo.
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Nebakenezzer posted:HEYGAL, this is your pitch to publishers/HBO Is this sarcastic? Cause I would watch the gently caress out of that show.
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Yeah. If Marco Poli can pull off Mongol politics and insane kung fu at the same time against the backdrop of throat chanting then 30YW drum line would work just fine. Wanna see a dude twirl that flag.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Is this sarcastic? Absolutely not. Having hip hop culture contextualized in the 30 years war makes so much sense. Hell, Hamilton already did it...
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah. If Marco Poli can pull off Mongol politics and insane kung fu at the same time against the backdrop of throat chanting then 30YW drum line would work just fine.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, I think it's a bit much to argue that the Chinese military is poo poo. You will read all sorts of stuff about how entire divisions are police-grade make-work units where soldiers shoot their guns twice in their careers, but they also have a core of very competent people with equipment that isn't poo poo. Yeah I read some Dolan/Breecher articles about how China's anti ship missiles can gently caress up any carrier at a fairly decent range and it's why they are investing on those instead of a carrier fleet of their own. (That and them only wanting to project on the southeast seas instead of spreading all over the world like the US)
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HEY GAL posted:i think it was the flag twirling that first shocked me into thinking about how these guys were not like how you think they are when you read peter wilson or something Wait, are you joking or not? Because if not, I need to know about 30YW flag twirling ASAP.
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Grenrow posted:Wait, are you joking or not? Because if not, I need to know about 30YW flag twirling ASAP.  The next time you imagine a 30yw battle, imagine that. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Yeah I read some Dolan/Breecher articles about how China's anti ship missiles can gently caress up any carrier at a fairly decent range and it's why they are investing on those instead of a carrier fleet of their own. (That and them only wanting to project on the southeast seas instead of spreading all over the world like the US) There's plenty of question marks as to whether those missiles actually work as well as claimed. But the US isn't going to take unnecessary risks with a carrier, so they should serve China's "stay away" deterrence purposes just fine.
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HEY GAL posted:Dead serious, my friend. A 17th century company flag is this massive piece of thin silk mounted on a short staff that the fendrich holds on his shoulder with one hand. On special occasions, especially in areas where the ground is paved, like in city squares or the courtyards of castles, they have a thing where they twirl it. It's called flourishing the flag, displaying the flag, or flag exercises. Hahaha, that's excellent. When did banners get so drat huge? I don't think I've ever read about a medieval banner quite so big.
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Grenrow posted:Hahaha, that's excellent. When did banners get so drat huge? I don't think I've ever read about a medieval banner quite so big. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Grandes_Mis%C3%A8res_de_la_guerre  There should have been a scene in Alatriste before the big battle at the end starts where their flag bearers walk out in front of the escuadrons and flip those things around their bodies while a bunch of dudes whale on their giant drums as hard as they can HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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HEY GAL posted:possibly when pikes got big, since you have to be able to see them: I figure the increasingly smoky battlefields may have contributed?
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P-Mack posted:I figure the increasingly smoky battlefields may have contributed? that could be a cultural difference though, like I can't really see Frederick the Great's dudes being into that however, in the 18th and 19th centuries you do hang ribbons from them, that's good HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jul 13, 2016 |
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I have the sudden mental image of Mad Max: Thirty Years War Edition, where you have the guitar guy on the drummer truck, but instead it's a flag twirling guy on a wagon full of drummers.
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Grenrow posted:I have the sudden mental image of Mad Max: Thirty Years War Edition, where you have the guitar guy on the drummer truck, but instead it's a flag twirling guy on a wagon full of drummers.
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TropicalCoke posted:Any suggestions on American Revolutionary War books about more of the war itself? I already know the political background and aftermath. I am more interested in the military campaigns of the Continental Army/United States military as an infancy. I read The Glorious Cause: The American Revolution, 1763-1789 recently and thought it was an pretty excellent overview of the military campaign. However, it also contains detailed reasons why it happened and the politics surrounding it.
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HEY GAL posted:the drums, of course, are extremely large and it's bristling with pikes and it has a hedgehog head on the front I'll start the wiki
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I have just finished reading the entirety of this thread. (Every page if not the all of every post) I think I started sometime in late 2014. Holy poo poo, this is an amazing thread. Trin your ww1 day by day has been marvelous and moving. Nebakenezzer posted:HEYGAL, this is your pitch to publishers/HBO I would subscribe to HBO to watch Hey Gal's Regiment: Defenestrations and Flag Demonstrations
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