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Alternatively, American-style communist revolution which Stalin hates because, well, Stalin.
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HEY GAL have any of your guys been to Eastern Europe? I'm reading a series of articles about the cossack uprisings and it says that Lithuania hired some ex-30YW mercenaries to supplement their very humble army. Also I found a report on glorious Aryan SS ubermenschen who managed to sustain 50-70% losses on the march because they're morons who can't drive.
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Ensign Expendable posted:HEY GAL have any of your guys been to Eastern Europe? I'm reading a series of articles about the cossack uprisings and it says that Lithuania hired some ex-30YW mercenaries to supplement their very humble army. *Gustavus Adolphus fought in the Baltic and Wallenstein sent a few regiments to supplement the Polish/Lithuanians against him *Russia was actually a thing in this war but I forget what they did *If Hungary counts, there was a war in Hungary back at the turn of the century that was kind of like the 30yw's Mexican-American War, in that half of the famous people show up there, only on the same side and they're all young and nobody's famous yet.
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Jul 14, 2016 15:29
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This is a Polish cossack uprising in modern day Ukraine, so I don't think that was it.
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Ensign Expendable posted:This is a Polish cossack uprising in modern day Ukraine, so I don't think that was it.
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Jul 14, 2016 15:38
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Harvesting teeth for dentures was the most sickening part to me. Waste not want not.
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Jul 14, 2016 16:00
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OctaviusBeaver posted:
This was suuuuuuuper common in the napoleonic era to the point that people would visit fresh battlefields for the sole purpose of harvesting teeth
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Jul 14, 2016 16:07
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It was part of a living and a small cottage industry in itself. It wasn't a big issue back then, a lot of equipment of the dead and the weaponry were reused, hell the wives of soldiers and female camp followers married multiple times as their spouses sadly met their end during the wars.
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Jul 14, 2016 16:14
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Thomamelas posted:It depends on how you do it. If I remember correctly the Soviet land lost was in the ballpark of three-quarters of a million square miles. Alaska alone is pretty close to that but I suspect most people don't grasp how big Alaska is. So if I were going to express this in terms most Americans would get, my answer would be 'They invaded Texas, took it, then pushed into Oklahoma and then east east of that, only being stopped in North Carolina at the siege of Charlotte.' Or you could go the other way and say they took The South and part of Texas. I'd have the industry move North for this. I'm less concerned with getting the square miles right, and more about getting the impact right. The NE united states is the rust belt today because in the 1940s it was the industrial belt. Not to mention a poo poo-ton of productive farmland. Also, most of the industrial cities at the time. Cleveland was like the fourth largest city in the United States.
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Jul 14, 2016 16:24
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SeanBeansShako posted:It was part of a living and a small cottage industry in itself. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 16:25
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Ensign Expendable posted:Also I found a report on glorious Aryan SS ubermenschen who managed to sustain 50-70% losses on the march because they're morons who can't drive. lol what "Checking your blind spot is a untermenchen thing to do, Franz! WE MUST RISK IT" Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 16:26
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in their (grudging) defense, wide familiarity with cars is not a big thing in the lives of lots of people back then!
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Jul 14, 2016 16:28
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aphid_licker posted:"Zeuge mich, Blutsack" sounds kinda naughty it should be "bezeuge" "Sei mein Zeuge, Blutbeutel!", according to the German subs online at least.
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Jul 14, 2016 16:30
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Harvesting teeth for dentures was the most sickening part to me. That's not so bad. In America, dentures were often made from teeth that were obtained by having slave's teeth harvested.
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Jul 14, 2016 16:36
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SeanBeansShako posted:Waste not want not. Not really any different from organ donation. Except for consent of the next-of-kin, I guess.
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Jul 14, 2016 16:52
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Ensign Expendable posted:HEY GAL have any of your guys been to Eastern Europe? I'm reading a series of articles about the cossack uprisings and it says that Lithuania hired some ex-30YW mercenaries to supplement their very humble army. The Nazi's were only competent in about four things, the ability to lie through their teeth and have people still play along, to blitz through unsuspected countries, to create rockets, and to commit war crimes. Everything else they sucked at in various and interesting ways.
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Hunt11 posted:The Nazi's were only competent in about four things, the ability to lie through their teeth and have people still play along, to blitz through unsuspected countries, to create rockets, and to commit war crimes. Everything else they sucked at in various and interesting ways. edit: the jerrycan is a goddamn beautiful object, a haiku of engineering
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Jul 14, 2016 17:00
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Hunt11 posted:The Nazi's were only competent in about four things, the ability to lie through their teeth and have people still play along, to blitz through unsuspected countries, to create rockets, and to commit war crimes. Everything else they sucked at in various and interesting ways. SA military history thread summarized
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Jul 14, 2016 17:01
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On flag twirl chat, in Switzerland they still do it all the time in parades (though the drums aren't huge). In baden wurttemberg when i lived there not so much. What's your experience of it in germany outside reenactments, Hey Gal? Edit: apparently the italians are still into it too NLJP fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 17:09
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NLJP posted:On flag twirl chat, in Switzerland they still do it all the time in parades (though the drums aren't huge). In baden wurttemberg when i lived there not so much. What's your experience of it in germany outside reenactments, Hey Gal? that sounds like exactly System Metternich's thing though, if he's around to ask him
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Jul 14, 2016 17:11
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HEY GAL posted:yeah, my guys are the dudes who'll bury everyone naked so they can steal their things, but they don't view human beings as raw material (except the part where you can do magic with body parts), i think that's a specifically modern kind of hosed the hell up. i think you need to invent the modern state and the idea of total war first. Well, teeth for high-quality dentures had to come from somewhere and there weren't too many moral sources for that, but once you get into literally grinding up dead soldierbones to sell as fertilizer it definitely gets into sheer fuckedup territory. In both cases, though, it doesn't seem to have been done by the state directly, but rather by private individuals and companies seeking potential profit whereever they could find it. It wasn't a product of the strong central state or the modern conception of war, but rather the product of emerging industrial capitalism.
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i still think you need the idea that human beings are interchangeable, disposable objects first, and that definitely has to do with the modern state, although i agree that capitalism also has a lot to do with it
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Jul 14, 2016 17:19
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bewbies posted:SA military history thread summarized People go overboard on this. They weren't the hyper competent masters of war that wheraboos fap over, but they were more competent at more things than their enemies for quite a while. There are reasons they conquered from Brittany to Leningrad.
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Jul 14, 2016 17:22
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Trin Tragula posted:Children's novel The Hobbit, written by 2nd Lieutenant JRR Tolkien (ret'd), late of the 11th (Service) Battalion, Lancashire Fusiliers, veteran of the Somme. If ever there was a collection of battles to teach people that you can win on paper and yet it still sucks a whole lot... This is a very good point.
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Cyrano4747 posted:People go overboard on this. They weren't the hyper competent masters of war that wheraboos fap over, but they were more competent at more things than their enemies for quite a while. There are reasons they conquered from Brittany to Leningrad. The counter- counter-reaction has begun! Teriyaki Hairpiece fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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Jul 14, 2016 17:29
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NLJP posted:On flag twirl chat, in Switzerland they still do it all the time in parades (though the drums aren't huge). In baden wurttemberg when i lived there not so much. What's your experience of it in germany outside reenactments, Hey Gal? There was an awful lot of it in Limburg at their shooting festival.
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OctaviusBeaver posted:I got a little bit of an "A Modest Proposal " vibe too. This has to be the best way to get your mouth haunted. On the subject of flag twirling, Epcot recently replaced its Romeo & Juliet comedy troupe with Sbandieratori Di Sansepolcro in the Italy pavilion. It's a group that does a display of Tuscan flag throwing in renaissance-style costumes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSNovCGGqs For comparison, actual flag twirlers in Sansepolcro: 
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Jul 14, 2016 18:13
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Cyrano4747 posted:People go overboard on this. They weren't the hyper competent masters of war that wheraboos fap over, but they were more competent at more things than their enemies for quite a while. There are reasons they conquered from Brittany to Leningrad. A while ago I mentioned that a really good armored attack needs armor, infantry, artillery and supply all working together. Nobody else managed to get all of that together until the Germans drove the lesson in. The fuckups in barbarossa up to 1942 for the Germans were Guderian loving up closing pockets by pushing to future goals and not finishing the current battle, Manstein (iirc) launching a dumbass unsupported armor attack in the Crimea (but the followup was brilliantly done), the spearhead towards the oil fields getting distracted and diluted when critical on supplies, an armored push through bad territory to try and cut off the ports Leningrad was supplied through, and committing armor to grind itself down in Stalingrad when the flanks needed a reserve. That's just about it. For everyone else I'd list the battles where things went right because they're the exception. In that period we have Lelyushenko and Katukov getting a force with modern tanks and some supply and fighting a successful delay action. They couldn't do more because they had modern tanks and some supply and no more. The Moscow counterattacks worked pretty well although they didn't have enough mobility to close their pockets, they still forced the Germans to abandon a lot of materiel. Uranus was the first truly outstanding attack they launched, and Mars showed that even Zhukov wasn't quite there yet. The biggest German problem was that they didn't have the state or strategy to maintain that excellence, and they did less to remedy their weaknesses than other countries.
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"what would the Germans have had to do to win Stalingrad?" "Oh that's way too far into Gay Black Hitler territory, the amount of counterfactuals that'd have to take place makes discussion absurd" "what if you pitted America... against the entire world!" *2 pages of posts*  never change, milhist thread
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Jul 14, 2016 18:28
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HEY GAL posted:
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Perfectly spherical gay black Sherman in a vacuum.
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Jul 14, 2016 18:32
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All militaries are varying levels of incompetent, as I leaned from the documentaries The Caine Mutiny and Catch-22
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Cyrano4747 posted:30yw.txt also look how skinny everyone is, Franck's got a lot of skinny people in his engravings too
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That dog looks skinny as gently caress, is that why it's hanging around all the freshly dead bodies, looking longingly at the next one? How did people feel about animals etc eating up remains on battlefields etc? Was it just like "eh whatever" or would people try to stop it
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Koramei posted:"what would the Germans have had to do to win Stalingrad?" "Oh that's way too far into Gay Black Hitler territory, the amount of counterfactuals that'd have to take place makes discussion absurd" To be fair, it was a really interesting digression. I'd love to read such a story.
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HEY GAL posted:those flags are not very huge though The starved dog in the foreground really ties the whole piece together.
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Koramei posted:That dog looks skinny as gently caress, is that why it's hanging around all the freshly dead bodies, looking longingly at the next one?
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Nebakenezzer posted:I'm less concerned with getting the square miles right, and more about getting the impact right. The NE united states is the rust belt today because in the 1940s it was the industrial belt. Not to mention a poo poo-ton of productive farmland. Also, most of the industrial cities at the time. Cleveland was like the fourth largest city in the United States. I'd have to sit down with a population map for it and figure out percentages. The West Coast kinda screws this up. The 1940's population in California isn't what it is today but it's still pretty big. So if I did it as one invasion from the East Coast, it probably goes a ways into the Midwest. Figure roughly half the country? It would be easier for Canadians since their population is mostly clustered on the US border.
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