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Baronjutter posted:Someone please make an amazing stop-motion alien fan film. Didn't someone from earlier in the thread make a awesome stop motion Alien short film? Edit: Beaten by the person who actually did the film from a while back. blackguy32 fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jul 14, 2016 |
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CelticPredator posted:Dunno about amazing, but I did this a while back. This is adorable, thank you.
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Jul 14, 2016 22:24
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A proper fan-film requires little more than actual creativity. It's less having an accurate xenomorph and more of showing it (or rather, not showing it) in ways that trick the audience, and that's difficult without creativity, skill, and/or proper equipment. As others mentioned, you could do an Alien fan film without a single Alien in it, but that requires an eye for mood, lighting, tension, and sound design that most people either don't have the skill to pull off, or don't have the resources to compensate for a lack of skill. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying there's a reason why 'Alien' is often imitated but rarely imitated well. 
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Jul 14, 2016 22:24
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Contamination is the best Alien fan film.
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Jul 14, 2016 23:03
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I had a dream this week where I was trying to make a new Alien movie and I wanted to make it different, be creative about it. So I imagined a different creatures that was similar but different from the xenomorph. As I was designing it, it became "real" within the dream and started moving towards me with it's horrible appendages and I started trying to think of something else to make it go away. Then I woke up and there still like four hours left before I had to get up. I managed to sleep again, eventually.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:38
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CelticPredator posted:Dunno about amazing, but I did this a while back. Love it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6wzgRy71M0
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MonsieurChoc posted:I had a dream this week where I was trying to make a new Alien movie and I wanted to make it different, be creative about it. So I imagined a different creatures that was similar but different from the xenomorph. As I was designing it, it became "real" within the dream and started moving towards me with it's horrible appendages and I started trying to think of something else to make it go away. What did it look like?
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Jul 15, 2016 03:52
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Just watched Special Edition of A3. Way better than the theatrical version, which I'd seen twice before. I have more thoughts than I can get out right now, because it's late, but the most striking thing to me is how Golic fits into the film's response to Alien and Aliens. He seems really important and I can't believe his role was shrunk so much in the theatrical release. Also, I'd totally forgotten about how Charles Dance gets killed off so early. Really effective IMO
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Baronjutter posted:Someone please make an amazing stop-motion alien fan film. I did one but it came out more like a porno.
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Jul 15, 2016 05:09
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HR Giger would be proud.
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Jul 15, 2016 05:34
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Clipperton posted:What did it look like? Hard to remember dream things, but I'll try. It was stuck inside a giant granite block, kind of a like it was sculpted into it, with lots of tubes going into it. It was bigger, and had really weird eyes instead of none. It was white-dirty grey. And I remember thinking that it was really smart and would do something terrible when it grabbed me, not just kill me.
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Jul 15, 2016 11:39
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Xenomrph posted:It's less having an accurate xenomorph and more of showing it (or rather, not showing it) in ways that trick the audience, and that's difficult without creativity, skill, and/or proper equipment. As others mentioned, you could do an Alien fan film without a single Alien in it, but that requires an eye for mood, lighting, tension, and sound design that most people either don't have the skill to pull off, or don't have the resources to compensate for a lack of skill. No, the issue is that you are spending however much time and money in order to 'not-show a xenomorph'. If that's your primary goal, you've failed from the outset. Alien is not a film about a xenomorph. It's a film about racial, sexual and other class tensions on a tugboat. The xenomorph was created afterward, to express this concept. Dan O'Bannon obviously did not write a film about a xenomorph. He wrote a film about a Star Beast, which is a scaly octopus-bug with ostrich legs. That original Star Beast is a likely inspiration for the aliens in District 9; they happen to look very much like a humanoid version of Ron Cobb's concept art. And as before: District 9 is a film about the treatment of immigrants in post-apartheid South Africa. The aliens were created afterward, to express this concept.  The point of this is that if you cannot make an interesting film about some truckers sitting around a table telling vile oval office jokes, then you haven't accomplished the basic first step towards making an Alien movie. The alien is completely arbitrary, an outgrowth of the actual conflict. There are no aliens in the movie Outland.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No, the issue is that you are spending however much time and money in order to 'not-show a xenomorph'. If that's your primary goal, you've failed from the outset. Yeah that's not what I was saying, and if that's what you took away from my post, then like usual you did not understand. 
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Jul 15, 2016 17:32
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I feel like the movie "Alien" is about a scary alien that kills a bunch of space truckers.
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oldpainless posted:I feel like the movie "Alien" is about a scary alien that kills a bunch of space truckers. A bold and creative (dare I say controversial?) reading, but I think I can understand where you're coming from.
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Jul 15, 2016 18:05
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Xenomrph posted:Yeah that's not what I was saying, and if that's what you took away from my post, then like usual you did not understand. Everything you wrote is about 'creating a xenomorph' - creating a professional-grade alien costume or disguising the fact that you don't have one. And that logic is why we end up with films that look like cosplay fashion shows. If you meant something different, you should have written something different. That's what's tripping people up: ignoring words, including their own, in the hopes that hidden intentions will be somehow detectable 'beneath' the words. It doesn't work.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That's what's tripping people up: ignoring words, including their own, in the hopes that hidden intentions will be somehow detectable 'beneath' the words. It doesn't work. 
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oldpainless posted:I feel like the movie "Alien" is about a scary alien that kills a bunch of space truckers. This is your own shallow interpretation but it's not supported by the text. There in fact is no "alien" in alien, it's entirely (and this is factual and objectively true) a movie about the alienation of workers (the title of the movie could not be more clear) and capital's need to control motherhood in order to control the reproduction of labour and ultimately the reproduction of capitalism. The movie perfectly follows Marx's writing on the fate of surplus labour through the effects of mechanization while the diminishing returns coming from greater efficiency throw capitalism into a desperate crisis. The crisis in the movie is simply the ultimate crisis of capitalism, the alien its self having no bearing on the plot and not being worth mentioning. To even notice or mention the "creature" is to obviously miss the point of the entire movie, and this is a true statement. One needs only read Hegel's written views on the Jacobin's increasingly brutal tactics during the post-revolutionary period to understand the violence seen in the movie (which is entirely worker on worker violence, since there is no monster). None of this is my personal conjecture, this is all just a literal reading of the text and I'm sorry if I can't accept this but the truth is the truth and your opinion doesn't change things. Also they are not space truckers they are space tugboat crew.
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You know what's cool? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vic6bO14CZg
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Baronjutter posted:This is your own shallow interpretation but it's not supported by the text. There in fact is no "alien" in alien, it's entirely (and this is factual and objectively true) a movie about the alienation of workers (the title of the movie could not be more clear) and capital's need to control motherhood in order to control the reproduction of labour and ultimately the reproduction of capitalism. The movie perfectly follows Marx's writing on the fate of surplus labour through the effects of mechanization while the diminishing returns coming from greater efficiency throw capitalism into a desperate crisis. The crisis in the movie is simply the ultimate crisis of capitalism, the alien its self having no bearing on the plot and not being worth mentioning. To even notice or mention the "creature" is to obviously miss the point of the entire movie, and this is a true statement. One needs only read Hegel's written views on the Jacobin's increasingly brutal tactics during the post-revolutionary period to understand the violence seen in the movie (which is entirely worker on worker violence, since there is no monster). None of this is my personal conjecture, this is all just a literal reading of the text and I'm sorry if I can't accept this but the truth is the truth and your opinion doesn't change things. 
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Of course it's a tugboat; no long-haul truck has living quarters for seven people.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:39
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All this Alien talk got me to rewatch the Alien 3 Assembly Cut. It had been quite a while. It owns. A lot.
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MonsieurChoc posted:You know what's cool?
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Given that Alien 3 is the only Alien movie I haven't seen (including the versus movies and Prometheus), which version should I watch? I own the quadrilogy box set, so I have both the theatrical and special editions. Normally I'd watch the former then the latter, but I wasn't sure if it was a Kingdom of Heaven situation where there's just no point to the theatrical.
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No point to theatrical, watch assembly cut or nothing.
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I think I like the dogburster from the Theatrical cut better... but you should still watch the Assembly Cut first and only watch the Theatrical afterwards (if at all) if you're curious. There's some more minor differences beyond just removing enormous chunks of the movie. I wasn't paying attention to who was involved in the earlier catfight so maybe you'll reject this, but SMG argued that the theatrical was superior (surprise!) because the drastic cuts gave it an incoherence that could be interpreted as dream logic about the Alien purely being Ripley's nightmare (paraphrasing heavily). I'm kinda curious about re-watching it with that in mind.
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david_a posted:I think I like the dogburster from the Theatrical cut better... but you should still watch the Assembly Cut first and only watch the Theatrical afterwards (if at all) if you're curious. There's some more minor differences beyond just removing enormous chunks of the movie. Hmm. That's the sort of thing which makes me want to watch the theatrical first. I'd rather see an abbreviated version that required me to connect things together myself, then watch an expanded version. If I do the reverse, it'll be hard for me to not bridge the gaps using what I already know.
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What ever you do, do watch the assembly cut at some point. They're extremely different movies. It's not that shots are longer or different, it's a very different plot. They cut out entire plots and characters, it's hosed and it makes a lot of stuff seem, well disjointed. Also "bunch of bald guys who all look the same" because any scene that establishes who's who was cut.
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Baronjutter posted:What ever you do, do watch the assembly cut at some point. They're extremely different movies. It's not that shots are longer or different, it's a very different plot. They cut out entire plots and characters, it's hosed and it makes a lot of stuff seem, well disjointed. Also "bunch of bald guys who all look the same" because any scene that establishes who's who was cut. Definitely. I think what I'm landing on is that, given I've seen literally every other movie in the series several times, I might as well give this one two runs through, first theatrical, then assembly. Even though this was no one's actual advice, everyone's responses led me to it and I appreciate the replies.
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Watch the version with a more complete story. Avoid the butchered one. I do not understand adding dream logic to movies that were completely butchered. It's just...so weird to me.
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All the alien films operate according to dream-logic, and both versions of 3 are 'butchered'. The one with the most plot holes is the most narratively complete.
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None of the Alien films actually occurred it's all just a masculine corporate worker nightmare by Ridley while she sleeps in her cryo pod.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
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Sir Kodiak posted:Definitely. I think what I'm landing on is that, given I've seen literally every other movie in the series several times, I might as well give this one two runs through, first theatrical, then assembly. I'd suggest this. Both versions are worth watching just from a filmmaking standpoint, but I'd recommend watching the theatrical first. There are things in the theatrical version that I like better, although the Assembly Cut is definitely the stronger movie overall. Hollismason posted:None of the Alien films actually occurred it's all just a masculine corporate worker nightmare by Ridley while she sleeps in her cryo pod.
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I do like Ripley's death in 3 a lot better in the theatrical. But I also love that Bishop is indeed a human in the AC. Why yes, I do switch back and forth while watching.
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You like that the alien pops out making her sacrifice worthless?
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zVxTeflon posted:You like that the alien pops out making her sacrifice worthless? How does it make her sacrifice worthless? The Queen dies either way. Edit- vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv There's an odd jump in the music in the assembly cut when Ripley falls into the furnace, it always stands out to me. The music flows better in the theatrical cut. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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zVxTeflon posted:You like that the alien pops out making her sacrifice worthless? it doesn't but okay. The theatrical just looks better with that scene. The AC looks iffy and strange.
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There's quite a few shots where the special effects were added after the fact in the AC and look really bad because of it. The xenomorph really suffers from it: there are scenes where it looks really amazing, and then others where it looks really bad. Switching tracks, am I remembering wrong or was there an android that had rebelled against the company in 4? If so, that's another really interesting idea wasted by that movie.
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