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Sigma-X posted:You're totally loving right, Terminus costs 1W, not W, in some scenarios. Except every card in the deck by that argument costs 1 from top to set it up to draw early You need to put/keep Terminus in a specific position in the deck and know it is there in order to cast it as an instant (excepting blind hitting it which is completely unreliable). It is different, in this respect, from other cards (except Entreat) in Miracles, which can be drawn at any time. If playing Terminus imposed no deckbuilding cost, it would be played in other decks - I play a copy of Supreme Verdict in UWR Stoneblade, why don't I run Terminus instead? Being reliant on Top and cantrips is also a deckbuilding cost - if you're playing against a Chalice deck, you're going to have a lot of trouble setting up a Terminus, much less if you're up against a Winter Orb, Pithing Needle, Choke, or Null Rod. In play, you often have to give up value from Brainstorm or shuffle away a Top (or at minimum, take it off the table, exposing it to countermagic/chalice on the way down) in order to cast Terminus when you need to. I also don't play 4 ponders in miracles and would love to play fewer if I could. Again, I'm not saying Terminus is a bad card, or anything other than an extremely powerful card - one of the most powerful in Miracles - but it does have actual drawbacks as compared to literally W: instant: wrath. There's a reason people don't play Temporal Mastery and yet Time Walk would absolutely be played. Rogue0071 fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Rogue0071 posted:Where, exactly, did someone say this? Ok sometimes it's a 1 mana wrath on your draw step instead of at instant speed.
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Jul 15, 2016 02:34
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And sometimes - a not insignificant amount of the time - it's a 6 mana uncastable card in your hand.
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Jul 15, 2016 02:40
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Hellsau posted:disappointed yet again I'm disappointed every set when there's not a legendary wall. #walllivesmatter Gareth Gobulcoque fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Jul 15, 2016 02:41
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I'm disappointed every set when there's not a legendary wall. 
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Jul 15, 2016 03:13
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So my coworker was mentioning that he used to play magic and was into blue decks. I have the duel decks anthology and thought that seemed like the easiest way to have some matched up decks and just play for fun at work. I was thinking of taking Jace vs. Chandra, but the inconsistency of duel decks is kinda annoying, so I thought why not upgrade them a little. What would you guys do to these decklists to remove dumb cards and replace with cool cards: http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/productpageancillaryevergreendueldecksjacevschandra More mulldrifters on the blue side seems good. Besides that there are so many random one and two-ofs I don't even know where to begin. I don't have a lot of these old cards to make more full playsets, but I have a shitload of stuff from Khans on. Thanks for any ideas.
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Jul 15, 2016 03:20
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I'm disappointed every set when there's not a legendary wall. The thing I have in mind is a monolithic figure that pacifies the world through cosmic awe: "all creatures have defender"
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Jul 15, 2016 03:29
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I'm disappointed every set when there's not a legendary wall. They passed up this opportunity with the Not-China/Mongolia set, so they basically won't do it ever.
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Toshimo posted:I’m going to be somewhat blunt here. my favorite part about this quote is "i'm pretty used to being the smartest person in the room" especially since i am like 99% sure i said somewhere in one of these threads that almost every single mother fucker involved with wotc or mtg in general believes that to be true
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Rinkles posted:The thing I have in mind is a monolithic figure that pacifies the world through cosmic awe: "all creatures have defender" this would be a cool thing to put on a legendary wall but i can't ever see them printing that cause it makes combat, well, non-existent
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Jul 15, 2016 05:18
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There already is a legendary wall ya dinguses.
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Star Man posted:There already is a legendary wall ya dinguses. I just realized he has a tail. A tree with a tail.
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ahem http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=247421
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Rogue0071 posted:You need to put/keep Terminus in a specific position in the deck and know it is there in order to cast it as an instant (excepting blind hitting it which is completely unreliable). It is different, in this respect, from other cards (except Entreat) in Miracles, which can be drawn at any time. If playing Terminus imposed no deckbuilding cost, it would be played in other decks - I play a copy of Supreme Verdict in UWR Stoneblade, why don't I run Terminus instead? Being reliant on Top and cantrips is also a deckbuilding cost - if you're playing against a Chalice deck, you're going to have a lot of trouble setting up a Terminus, much less if you're up against a Winter Orb, Pithing Needle, Choke, or Null Rod. In play, you often have to give up value from Brainstorm or shuffle away a Top (or at minimum, take it off the table, exposing it to countermagic/chalice on the way down) in order to cast Terminus when you need to. I also don't play 4 ponders in miracles and would love to play fewer if I could. So your entire argument is that the card is not literally written as W: instant: wrath. What great loving discussion you've brought around  You also have some great reading comprehension with insisting a second time that it has no deckbuilding cost while ignoring the entire loving context of "in miracles", or, as I said before: Sigma-X posted:There is no deckbuilding cost to running it at the W cost. You're a deck that already wants 4x Brainstorm, 4x Ponder, 4x Top, plus JTMS sometimes.
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rabidsquid posted:my favorite part about this quote is "i'm pretty used to being the smartest person in the room" especially since i am like 99% sure i said somewhere in one of these threads that almost every single mother fucker involved with wotc or mtg in general believes that to be true This part made the guy seem pretty insufferable and like he's probably a lovely programmer since he doesn't have enough humility to recognize when he's wrong, but his points about "the customers do not accurately know the challenges of creating the software" holds true across all software, forever, and isn't wrong.
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Sigma-X posted:This part made the guy seem pretty insufferable and like he's probably a lovely programmer since he doesn't have enough humility to recognize when he's wrong, but his points about "the customers do not accurately know the challenges of creating the software" holds true across all software, forever, and isn't wrong. Programmers are qualified to build software in the same way that construction workers are qualified architects.
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ThePeavstenator posted:Programmers are qualified to build software in the same way that construction workers are qualified architects. He could be a sentient potato squeezing sounds out of a rotten hole in his side that formed those words and he'd still be right, though.
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Magic players don't know how to solve the problems with MTGO and neither do the developers.
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Sigma-X posted:This part made the guy seem pretty insufferable and like he's probably a lovely programmer since he doesn't have enough humility to recognize when he's wrong, but his points about "the customers do not accurately know the challenges of creating the software" holds true across all software, forever, and isn't wrong. Sigma-X posted:He could be a sentient potato squeezing sounds out of a rotten hole in his side that formed those words and he'd still be right, though. Imagine you work in a white-collar position for a construction company. Recently, your company has received a lot of bad press due to your buildings collapsing, and numerous egregious flaws in your construction such as load-bearing drywalls have come to light. In defense of your company, you make a public announcement: "Customers' criticisms of our company are quite unfair. The Second Boer War, otherwise known as the Second Anglo-Boer War or the South African War, started on 11 October 1899 and ended on 31 May 1902." Now, it is in fact true that those were the start and end dates of the Second Boer War. This would remain true even if you were a sentient potato. But it's also not a very good defense of your construction company, and presenting it as one makes you look like a loving idiot.
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Sigma-X posted:He could be a sentient potato squeezing sounds out of a rotten hole in his side that formed those words and he'd still be right, though. Your customers don't have to understand how it works, but you still have to meet their needs (ie: selling them a product that works) because they are your customers. Even if they have unreasonable expectations, the response cannot be "you don't get how hard it is", it has to be "here are our resources and here's how we can prioritize". In this case the answer is to either explain what the priorities in developing MTGO with your current resources are, or saying nothing. Complaining about customer complaints to your customers just makes you an unprofessional whiner.
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Don't get me wrong, I think this guy's post is terrible. The 400 comment reddit thread where everyone explains how they could totally re-make MTGO in a half hour using javascript and SQL is even worse, though.
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"Waiter waiter, there's a fly in my soup!" "You are too ignorant to grasp the full complexity of importing out-of-season ingredients from across the globe."
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Sigma-X posted:Don't get me wrong, I think this guy's post is terrible. The 400 comment reddit thread where everyone explains how they could totally re-make MTGO in a half hour using javascript and SQL is even worse, though. Imagine every person that just knows how to write code as a bunch of Grovers building Groverhaus software.
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the person who posted that is a woman, just fyi. And the shadowy irc cabal determined that she doesn't seem to have a programming background, which makes the post even funnier imo.
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Procrastinator posted:the person who posted that is a woman, just fyi. And the shadowy irc cabal determined that she doesn't seem to have a programming background, which makes the post even funnier imo. It'd explain a lot if the people that have the unfortunate job of "fixing" MTGO all have no programming backgrounds. Like they got a florist, a pianist, a painter and a golden shepherd and tossed them in a room, maybe they found this random group through a lottery or something, and they're just forced to figure out how all this poo poo works. I mean, it's impressive that MTGO runs at all given the circumstances, but it still isn't actually a good job. Incidentally I assume this is how Trick "Patrick" Jarrett got his job as the PR guy for Magic.
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Hellsau posted:It'd explain a lot if the people that have the unfortunate job of "fixing" MTGO all have no programming backgrounds. Like they got a florist, a pianist, a painter and a golden shepherd and tossed them in a room, maybe they found this random group through a lottery or something, and they're just forced to figure out how all this poo poo works. I mean, it's impressive that MTGO runs at all given the circumstances, but it still isn't actually a good job. I have a feeling that a big priority for WotC is hiring people who love the game over hiring people who are competent professionals and will try to negotiate higher salaries.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I have a feeling that a big priority for WotC is hiring people who love the game over hiring people who are competent professionals and will try to negotiate higher salaries. It also goes backwards. Iirc one of the main reasons Sue Ann Harkey was canned was because she didn't play the game. It was a long way back so I don't know how relevant it is today, but it is... Consistent with what you said
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Procrastinator posted:the person who posted that is a woman, just fyi. And the shadowy irc cabal determined that she doesn't seem to have a programming background, which makes the post even funnier imo. I missed that, but yeah, she lists her role as Digital Editor, which makes her "smartest person in the room" comment even more insipient - if she's ever been the smartest person in a room they're some dumb rooms because she's supposed to be working with a bunch of specialists who should be way smarter than her in their areas of expertise than she should be. http://trulyaliem.tumblr.com/post/147403685497/whats-the-biggest-misunderstanding-you-think-the Sigma-X fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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quote:the game rules engine is more complex than a lot of the systems NASA works with. MTGO will get us to Mars
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Gridlocked posted:I just realized he has a tail. I'll do you one better- http://magiccards.info/pch/en/140.html 
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rabidsquid posted:my favorite part about this quote is "i'm pretty used to being the smartest person in the room" especially since i am like 99% sure i said somewhere in one of these threads that almost every single mother fucker involved with wotc or mtg in general believes that to be true My favorite part is when she says that people shouldn't make assumptions on things they don't have actual experience with, then in the same paragraph starts talking about NASA projects. What's she's saying is super dumb because a lot of people who poo poo on MTGO are actual programmers/developers/whatever who do understand how insanely complicated a project like mtgo is, but also understand that it's not acceptable to ship and charge money for an ugly buggy mess. On the other hand it's very smart to shift blame outside the company instead of making GBS threads on the talent or the upper management who sets your budget.
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I think she's probably right that you can't just hour a few people for extra money at this point. The entire team and management of the project probably needs to be replaced, and the entire game probably needs to be rebuilt. I don't think it's a simple process, it's clearly a complicated game and they're already working from behind based on what they're starting with. But to come out and say "it's actually the consumers fault for not realizing this" means that you have failed on multiple levels.
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little munchkin posted:On the other hand it's very smart to shift blame outside the company instead of making GBS threads on the talent or the upper management who sets your budget. I'm sure this is true, and I'm also sure that saying nothing at all is even better
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C-Euro posted:I'll do you one better- http://magiccards.info/pch/en/140.html Awful photography, grabbing only a picture of its foot.
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Cynic Jester posted:Awful photography, grabbing only a picture of its foot. 
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One of these days WOTC is going to figure out that Midnight Prereleases don't make any sense because the set doesn't *actually* release on Saturday. Just have the first pre-release at FNM and don't force stores to schedule a shitload of overtime for their employees.
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Angry Grimace posted:One of these days WOTC is going to figure out that Midnight Prereleases don't make any sense because the set doesn't *actually* release on Saturday. Just have the first pre-release at FNM and don't force stores to schedule a shitload of overtime for their employees. I don't think stores have to do midnight prereleases? Plus prereleases are longer than FNMs anyway
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Stores can schedule their prereleases any time they like within the scheduled days (in this case, July 16th-17th), and in fact the reporting/scheduling software only cares about the day, not the particular hour. Doing it at midnight is entirely voluntary.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:"Waiter waiter, there's a fly in my soup!" Not quite right. "Waiter, waiter, I attempted to eat my steak, but because I used a knife, it has transmogrified into a crab, and my salad blinks in and out of existence, and suddenly the menu is for a different restaurant!" Or "Waiter, waiter, yesterday's soup has become retroactively poisonous and I am now dying!" Or "Waiter, waiter, my soup is devoid of any and all fluid, which is strange considering my buddy's soup should be exactly the same and is normal!"
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My LGS does midnight prereleases for the competitive players/payouts and it annoys me to no end. Why do people who have lives have to settle for swiss prize support?
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