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CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

WickedHate posted:

Posting in one Star Trek thread should be grounds for institutionalization.

You bet I'm agitated!

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Baronjutter posted:

Hi TVIV star trek thread, I thought there was only the one trek thread in GBS. Am I allowed to post in both? I like startrek enough to post in 2 threads about it.
All is permitted, captain. But the test never ends.

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015

Baronjutter posted:

Hi TVIV star trek thread, I thought there was only the one trek thread in GBS. Am I allowed to post in both? I like startrek enough to post in 2 threads about it.

Don't worry the Mod Warbirds have been lax in punishing violations of the neutral zone, perhaps the unification movement has been gaining ground, or a slave rebellion in anime sub forum.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
"On the Klingon homeworld, your name is not mentioned."

So? Do world leaders routinely shout off names of all the major houses at meetings or something?

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

Cojawfee posted:

"On the Klingon homeworld, your name is not mentioned."

So? Do world leaders routinely shout off names of all the major houses at meetings or something?

It's the traditional roll call before the national anthem.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Cojawfee posted:

"On the Klingon homeworld, your name is not mentioned."

So? Do world leaders routinely shout off names of all the major houses at meetings or something?

"SOUTH KETHA WASSUP!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdao-yNAIA

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

Baronjutter posted:

Hi TVIV star trek thread, I thought there was only the one trek thread in GBS. Am I allowed to post in both? I like startrek enough to post in 2 threads about it.

The end goal is the occupy all posts in space in every Trek thread at once; goon factor 10

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


More fan films news...Star Trek Continues is premiering their next episode in September, as CBS did say anyone who was in production on an episode could finish it. They had planned 6 more, but are being cagey as to whether or not they willl do them. Seems unlikely.

New Voyages/Phase II is done. Cawley said he has "quit making films" but in a surprising move, CBS has given him one bone: StarTrek.com is promoting a set tour of his sets which are now under official license by CBS.

http://www.startrek.com/article/the-original-series-set-tour-to-open

quote:

If you ever wanted to experience what it would be like to visit the set of Star Trek: The Original Series, now is your chance. Star Trek super-fan James Cawley is honoring the 50th anniversary of the iconic franchise with the opening of his meticulously designed TOS set tour. Located in historic Ticonderoga, New York, and under license by CBS Consumer Products, the set tour brings memories to life by allowing fans to boldly go and tour the sets of the legendary Starship Enterprise.

Stage 9 at Desilu -- now Paramount Pictures -- in Hollywood comes back into focus, as the sets have been re-created exactly as they were laid at Desilu during the original run of TOS. Visitors can step onto the soundstage and be transported directly back to 1966. Additionally, beginning later this month, visitors will enjoy guided tours, photo opportunities and an immersive experience into the world of the classic television series.

Cawley started creating the sets in 1997 after receiving a copy of the original set blueprints from TOS costume designer William Ware Theiss. He then spent 15 years researching, crafting and refining his set replicas alongside other dedicated fans and craftspeople, including Trek alumni and fellow fans prop fabricator Ed Miarecki and concept designer and SFX supervisor Daren R. Dochterman.

Pouring over stills and frame captures from TOS and sourcing vintage materials and antiques, Cawley ensured that even the smallest details were accurately and lovingly reproduced. This spanned from an array of props to set decorations. The result is a stunning achievement offering the most complete and accurate reproduction of the original TOS standing sets.

“To me, there is no other franchise around that is more enjoyable and more socially relevant than Star Trek,” James Cawley said in a statement. “I’m very thankful for all the support I’ve received on this project and can’t wait to begin welcoming my fellow fans this summer.”
For more information about James Cawley’s Star Trek: The Original Series re-created sets and how to tour them, go to https://www.startrektour.com.

"Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik."--it certainly sticks it to Axanar, and shows what happens when you play nice.

They are also letting him charge for the tours, so he is actually making money off Star Trek--legally! (and I'm sure CBS gets a cut of course) He can use the money to keep the sets and pay for the building rent/mortgage and power, etc...and I suppose recoup some of his personal costs. It also looks like the deal is he doesn't promote fan films anymore, and he is not allowing any fan films to shoot on the sets ever again. :(

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I've been posting in both for ages, mods haven't caught on yet

:colbert:

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

After The War posted:



Is that a joke? We hate those.

It always bothered me, if these two are Starfleet, why aren't they in uniform?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The_Doctor posted:

It always bothered me, if these two are Starfleet, why aren't they in uniform?

They didn't have time to change.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




The_Doctor posted:

It always bothered me, if these two are Starfleet, why aren't they in uniform?

It's like cops vs police detectives. They're too cool for uniforms.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
They should have worn the FC uniforms, just to give the impression they're not in sync with the regular timeline.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

The_Doctor posted:

It always bothered me, if these two are Starfleet, why aren't they in uniform?

Maybe they are Starfleet civilians.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Astroman posted:

More fan films news...Star Trek Continues is premiering their next episode in September, as CBS did say anyone who was in production on an episode could finish it. They had planned 6 more, but are being cagey as to whether or not they willl do them. Seems unlikely.

New Voyages/Phase II is done. Cawley said he has "quit making films" but in a surprising move, CBS has given him one bone: StarTrek.com is promoting a set tour of his sets which are now under official license by CBS.

http://www.startrek.com/article/the-original-series-set-tour-to-open


"Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik."--it certainly sticks it to Axanar, and shows what happens when you play nice.

They are also letting him charge for the tours, so he is actually making money off Star Trek--legally! (and I'm sure CBS gets a cut of course) He can use the money to keep the sets and pay for the building rent/mortgage and power, etc...and I suppose recoup some of his personal costs. It also looks like the deal is he doesn't promote fan films anymore, and he is not allowing any fan films to shoot on the sets ever again. :(

Holy poo poo, a copy of the blueprints from Theiss? God drat.


I'd love to see it, too bad it's on the opposite side of the country from me.




:ninja:

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

The_Doctor posted:

It always bothered me, if these two are Starfleet, why aren't they in uniform?

I don't think they are Starfleet - they're probably a separate Federation agency, and Memory Alpha lists them as such. Which makes sense, you'd want people who were independent from Starfleet culture and traditions to investigate all the times they gently caress up causality by slamming on the brakes or set their clocks for daylight savings.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I don't see what the big deal is. I did a slingshot around the sun to go back in time to 1969 to check out the first moon landing. Calm down.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Those are Federation time cops basically. They are not part of Starfleet.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
I almost ended up working on Phase II/New Voyages doing some G&E work but they moved the scene they were gonna shoot in LA back to the East Coast to it didn't work out. :shrug:

And I know that Cawley has been really cool about CBS/Paramount so he's definitely trying to stay in the clear with them.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Holy poo poo, a copy of the blueprints from Theiss? God drat.

Theiss and Cawley became really close friends. I believe a number of other pieces -- fabric swatches / uniform patterns and some other things -- were actually gifted to Cawley in Theiss's will.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
Okay, so I wrote up a Star Trek episode guide for myself and others, cutting down ones that aren't needed. So I'm leaving good episodes, ones needed for continuity, or ones that are just noteworthy or imfamous like Spock's Brain or Threshhold.

I'm less familiar with VOY and ENT, so I shamelessly stole them from guides on reddit and cut out the ones that weren't deemed required or at all good.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E-94j3l56UtoTVtc8sRW5vlqsXciDfcFlfvfJVsAW80/edit

Because I don't want to watch every episode of Voyager, I'm using this to determine which to watch. Life is too short to watch every episode of Voyager. You know who told me I should watch all of Voyager? Aatrek did. He raped children.

So I'm almost done with Voyager, and God, this show is a slog. Even a lot of the episodes they consider "good" just loving blow. I'm like 3/4 through Workforce and I'm not even gonna finish this one because I just don't freaking care. Maybe I should just watch Neelix get the gently caress off the boat, then watch Endgame and call it a day. Then watch Enterprise.

I'm going to be moving in with a new roommate who is interested in checked out Star Trek, so I plan on showing him some choice TOS episodes, TNG and eventually DS9. It'll be nice to watch some good Star Trek again.

Firebert
Aug 16, 2004
Workforce is the two-parter least deserving to be a two-parter in the history of the franchise, I can't believe that anyone recommended it.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
Mind you, I extrapolated this list from a reddit user who actually liked Voyager, so I'd imagine he's slightly retarded, especially going off his episode descriptions.

If you see anything that can be stricken off my list, please say so because I want to trim some of the fat off.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

I feel like you need another column for "Actively Avoid" because a "No" on Essential doesn't adequately prepare one for the horribleness of episodes like Cost of Living or Profit and Lace.

"Eh, it says non-essential, but let me watch this one anywa-" :stare:

Evek
Apr 26, 2002

"It's okay. I wouldn't remember me either."

Firebert posted:

Workforce is the two-parter least deserving to be a two-parter in the history of the franchise, I can't believe that anyone recommended it.

Workforce isn't good but I hesitate to call it poo poo. It's...unnecessary? It's 2 hours of why should I give a poo poo about this.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

WampaLord posted:

I feel like you need another column for "Actively Avoid" because a "No" on Essential doesn't adequately prepare one for the horribleness of episodes like Cost of Living or Profit and Lace.

"Eh, it says non-essential, but let me watch this one anywa-" :stare:

But "Cost of Living" ends with that great line from Worf!

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

CPColin posted:

But "Cost of Living" ends with that great line from Worf!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmte4b1YY20

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

It's a new thread and it's suddenly topical so I'm going to take the chance to plug the episode of my podcast where we had a Trek author on to talk about the essential episodes of the franchise.
UD127: The Essential Star Trek

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Profit and lace is where quark becomes a woman to seduce some old company owner right? I thought it was kinda cute and my wife really enjoyed it.

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.
:okpos: TOS: S2, E4: "Mirror, Mirror"

I hate the mirror universe episodes of DS9. I like most of the Ferengi episodes (basically all of them except "Profit and Lace"). I like the Klingon episodes (because Kurzon Dax is the best Dax). I even like the holodeck episodes (the Bashir-as-James Bond episode rules; come at me nerds). But the MU episodes are all hot garbage. So I braced for the worst here.

But this episode was actually alright. I won't say it's as good as season one at its best, but it kept me entertained. Spock's logic and unique brand of morality being the blind spot of the MU was a nice touch, and it was good to know that Kirk and Spock's bromance spans universes.

That said, maybe this explains some of the bullshit going on in DS9's MU. By then, the Terran Empire was at least a century past its prime, so maybe everything went from serious, scary fascism like in TOS, to dumbasses strutting around in leather pants and fake lesbians as far as the eye can see. My point is that I could see how some of the ideas about any society could get hosed up over time, and space fascism is no different. None of this is going to get me to watch any of the DS9 MU episode ever again, but whatever.

I like how Farscape did space fascism better anyway.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Timby posted:

Theiss and Cawley became really close friends. I believe a number of other pieces -- fabric swatches / uniform patterns and some other things -- were actually gifted to Cawley in Theiss's will.

Awww, that's so rad. :3:

EDIT: Oh hey here's a CNN article about it from January

'Star Trek' show made by fans is a hit

quote:

Ticonderoga, New York (CNN)The beginnings of "Star Trek: New Voyages" can be traced to 1985, when James Cawley was a teenager. A big "Star Trek" fan, Cawley wanted an authentic uniform, so he decided to try to get one made by the costume designer from the original 1960's show.
"One afternoon I called information, dialed the operator, got the Paramount number and asked for the costume designer," Cawley remembers. "And he answered the phone!"

William Ware Theiss and Cawley hit it off instantly. It was the beginning of a friendship that boldly sent Cawley deeper into the "Star Trek" universe than any fan has gone before. Soon after the call, the men met in Los Angeles, where Theiss gave Cawley patterns and fabric samples to help him make his own authentic "Star Trek" uniform.

"He was a very sweet guy," Cawley says. "I think he saw in me ... a teenager that was very driven, and very interested in what he had created."
Cawley maintained his friendship with Theiss as he built his life and career. His day job? Elvis impersonator.

"For 26 years I have been on stage," Cawley says. "I'm not the guy that would marry you in the chapel in Vegas, but I'm the guy that has an orchestra and plays in casinos."

When Theiss died in 1992 he gave Cawley a special gift: the blueprints to the sets of the original "Star Trek" show.

Rather than hold on to the piece of memorabilia, Cawley decided he would recreate the sets, starting with the famous bridge of the Starship Enterprise. In between his Elvis gigs in the late '90s, Cawley began building the bridge with his grandfather. They missed no detail, down to the color of buttons and the style of the chair used by Capt. Kirk.

With the bridge built, Cawley decided to fulfill another one of his "Star Trek" dreams: creating his own "Star Trek" TV show.

"I always wanted to play Capt. Kirk," he says.

In the early episodes of "Star Trek: New Voyages," he led the Starship Enterprise. His friends, who were also big fans, filled in the other roles. They brought in their own cameras to film and wrote original scripts. The first episode was released in 2003, before there was Youtube, Vimeo and Facebook. Cawley and his friends posted the episodes to their website.

"The Internet was in its infancy when we started," Cawley says. As video sharing sites grew, they "really opened the doors a lot to more people getting involved."

Today around 200 people volunteer their time to produce each episode of "Star Trek: New Voyages." The show is filmed in an old dollar store in Ticonderoga, New York. Each show takes about four to six months to produce, and costs about $50,000, all donated by fans. People have come from all 50 states and as far as Germany and Australia to give their time, money and passion to the show.

"Each time we film an episode we get better," Cawley says.

Almost the entire set of the original show has been recreated and there are 11 episodes of "Star Trek: New Voyages" available online. Professional actors fly in to play Capt. Kirk, Spock and the rest of the crew of the Enterprise. The most popular episode has 60 million views.

Among the early viewers were some lawyers at Paramount; the show's success earned Cawley another call with the production studio in 2003.

"'Let us sort this out' was the way they said it, and for a week we were unglued," Cawley remembers. "They called us back and said, 'We have looked at what you are doing, and we get it. Just don't make any money. Have a good time, and we are going to look the other way.'"

When Cawley talks about the future of the show, he gets emotional.
"I never thought we would be able to pull it off," he says. "For me, it's about 'How do I maintain it? How do I keep it going?' I think a big piece of me would die if it were to go away."

Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 15, 2016

Firebert
Aug 16, 2004

Railing Kill posted:

I like how Farscape did space fascism better anyway.



...I read this as space fashion and still agree

Railing Kill
Nov 14, 2008

You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.

Firebert posted:

...I read this as space fashion and still agree



Both can be true. The space fascists in Farscape by no means have a monopoly on leather pants.

Or vests. Or shirts. Or jackets. Probably socks, too.

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015

Railing Kill posted:

:okpos: TOS: S2, E4: "Mirror, Mirror"

That said, maybe this explains some of the bullshit going on in DS9's MU. By then, the Terran Empire was at least a century past its prime, so maybe everything went from serious, scary fascism like in TOS, to dumbasses strutting around in leather pants and fake lesbians as far as the eye can see. My point is that I could see how some of the ideas about any society could get hosed up over time, and space fascism is no different. None of this is going to get me to watch any of the DS9 MU episode ever again, but whatever.


Well actually in DS9 the Terran Empire collapsed because Spock's reforms made them less brutal and murderous, the DS9 mirror universe is ruled by the Klingon-Cardassian-Bajoran alliance, so the comic pantomime villainy is a little more understandable. I still find myself skipping most of the later MU episodes though. I'm glad TNG and Voyager never bothered with them.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
Farscape is a the best anti-star-trek show ever.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

Gammatron 64 posted:

Okay, so I wrote up a Star Trek episode guide for myself and others, cutting down ones that aren't needed. So I'm leaving good episodes, ones needed for continuity, or ones that are just noteworthy or imfamous like Spock's Brain or Threshhold.

I'm less familiar with VOY and ENT, so I shamelessly stole them from guides on reddit and cut out the ones that weren't deemed required or at all good.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E-94j3l56UtoTVtc8sRW5vlqsXciDfcFlfvfJVsAW80/edit

Because I don't want to watch every episode of Voyager, I'm using this to determine which to watch. Life is too short to watch every episode of Voyager. You know who told me I should watch all of Voyager? Aatrek did. He raped children.

So I'm almost done with Voyager, and God, this show is a slog. Even a lot of the episodes they consider "good" just loving blow. I'm like 3/4 through Workforce and I'm not even gonna finish this one because I just don't freaking care. Maybe I should just watch Neelix get the gently caress off the boat, then watch Endgame and call it a day. Then watch Enterprise.

I'm going to be moving in with a new roommate who is interested in checked out Star Trek, so I plan on showing him some choice TOS episodes, TNG and eventually DS9. It'll be nice to watch some good Star Trek again.

I'm on a Voyager watchthrough right now. Here's a guide up to where I'm at.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Met posted:

I'm on a Voyager watchthrough right now. Here's a guide up to where I'm at.

Good poo poo. Unfortunately I'm almost done but when you finish, this'll be useful in the future.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

Gammatron 64 posted:

Good poo poo. Unfortunately I'm almost done but when you finish, this'll be useful in the future.

Maybe I will. Anything to make this rewatch more entertaining.

Firebert
Aug 16, 2004

Burning_Monk posted:

Farscape is a the best anti-star-trek show ever.

I don't consider it anti-trek. It's very TOS and pays a lot of homage to the series. Farscape is basically..."imagine Voyager if the writers and producers knew or cared what they were doing".

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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

On our recent DS9 watch me and my wife both agreed that the first mirror universe episode was fine as a one off, but they became bad and stale super quick. Ferengi episodes are all good, profit and lace is tolerable, mirror universe are all really bad beyond the first one. DS9 holodeck episodes are good and baseball episode is real good, it actually got my wife interested in baseball and now we go to local games. Startrek: getting nerds interested in sports.

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