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Senior Scarybagels
Jan 6, 2011

nom nom
Grimey Drawer

Kurieg posted:

....So you had one of those too?

Didn't everyone? Or was that just a midwest thing?

Midwest Vampire the Requiem; takes place in Nebraska and the prince's domain is the corn cob castle.

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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Subtly hint anyone who dresses like a Ren Faire reject is being disloyal and a secret Sabbat/Belial's Brood sympathizer. Surely someone loyal to the Sect/Covenant wouldn't even think of so brazenly challenging the Masquerade.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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Except instead of subtly, just start making fun of them and playing the Key and Peele Sexy Vampires sketch on your cell phone.

e: alternatively, require that all vampires achieve a certain level in Pokemon Go before you will stop mocking them for their anachronism.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Senior Scarybagels posted:

Didn't everyone? Or was that just a midwest thing?

Midwest Vampire the Requiem; takes place in Nebraska and the prince's domain is the corn cob castle.

Well I'm from the midwest so...

And he technically wasn't a teacher, he was just the "Youth Coordinator" but he showed up at high school all the time and asked me why I wasn't trying to zealously convert my peers.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Mors Rattus posted:

Except instead of subtly, just start making fun of them and playing the Key and Peele Sexy Vampires sketch on your cell phone.

e: alternatively, require that all vampires achieve a certain level in Pokemon Go before you will stop mocking them for their anachronism.

"To get back your street cred, you must defeat me in a game of Super Smash Bros."

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


You're also tasked with keeping up with the latest and most popular ideas of the vampire in popular culture and tailoring the Masquerade accordingly. The Twilight years were bad enough, but now you have to explain JoJo's Bizarre Adventure to the Prince...

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Kavak posted:

You're also tasked with keeping up with the latest and most popular ideas of the vampire in popular culture and tailoring the Masquerade accordingly. The Twilight years were bad enough, but now you have to explain JoJo's Bizarre Adventure to the Prince...

"And what Praytell is this FLCL?"
"........sit down."

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
The Prince is a Tzimisce, and after being told of the vampire that mixed parts of people and animals, and how the severed head of that vampire bonded with the body of the person that nearly killed him and proceeded to use it to have children, responded "This makes perfect sense to me".

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
At least Pokemon would be a constant for this hypothetical Prince. Two decades and still going strong.

They may have trouble keeping up with all the new ones, but that's not a big deal, really.

FrostyPox
Feb 8, 2012

Thanks for the feedback, this is going to be... interesting. Fortunately I've been playing the character pretty chill and I think he's more-or-less liked and respected by most of the clans, and his nomination was unanimous, so this shouldn't be too hard (famous last words).


It's Masquerade, not Requiem, if that makes a difference, but I don't think it does. My character *was* going to be Sheriff but the vote was split so the Prince, who's, like, a 600-year-old Brujah and has a taste for blood sport made my character fight the other nominee in a knife fight (whereupon I did 5 Lethal damage in two rounds and only took 1 so my opponent decided to bite me and nearly Final Death'ed me :saddowns:)

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.

Senior Scarybagels posted:

Didn't everyone? Or was that just a midwest thing?

Midwest Vampire the Requiem; takes place in Nebraska and the prince's domain is the corn cob castle.

Completely unrealistic.


Everyone knows the Corn Palace is in South Dakota. :colbert:

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

FrostyPox posted:

Thanks for the feedback, this is going to be... interesting. Fortunately I've been playing the character pretty chill and I think he's more-or-less liked and respected by most of the clans, and his nomination was unanimous, so this shouldn't be too hard (famous last words).


It's Masquerade, not Requiem, if that makes a difference, but I don't think it does. My character *was* going to be Sheriff but the vote was split so the Prince, who's, like, a 600-year-old Brujah and has a taste for blood sport made my character fight the other nominee in a knife fight (whereupon I did 5 Lethal damage in two rounds and only took 1 so my opponent decided to bite me and nearly Final Death'ed me :saddowns:)

I stand by the statement that you should punish social indiscretions with swift throatpunches and spinkicks. This is OWoD, afterall.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS




Loomer posted:

I stand by the statement that you should punish social indiscretions with swift throatpunches and spinkicks. This is OWoD, afterall.

If I could figure out a way to make fencing duels in an Elysium work I'd run with it.

Emy
Apr 21, 2009

DeathSandwich posted:

Completely unrealistic.


Everyone knows the Corn Palace is in South Dakota. :colbert:

Nebraska isn't without its places of power, but vampires are from the wrong game line.

Senior Scarybagels
Jan 6, 2011

nom nom
Grimey Drawer

DeathSandwich posted:

Completely unrealistic.


Everyone knows the Corn Palace is in South Dakota. :colbert:

Oops you got me, I really thought it was in Nebraska too with all the corn stuff that is in Nebraska. I should've fact checked.

At least it's not in Kansas, where the prince's castle would be the Orpheum Theater.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

Loomer posted:

I stand by the statement that you should punish social indiscretions with swift throatpunches and spinkicks. This is OWoD, afterall.

This is true. You gotta figure, you're all vampires. Even if you crush somebody's windpipe, they don't need to breathe and they can just grow another one. But it would certainly shut them up.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Mendrian posted:

This is true. You gotta figure, you're all vampires. Even if you crush somebody's windpipe, they don't need to breathe and they can just grow another one. But it would certainly shut them up.

I will never stop mentioning the scene in <i>As One Dead</i> where a vampire is forced to open her mouth by holding her nose shut so she'll have to breathe through her mouth instead.

MadRhetoric
Feb 18, 2011

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES
So someone needs to be punched in the throat for the Improv Magic rules in Awakening 2e: is it possible to just use the V:tR 2e magic stuff or am I going to have to get my hands dirty?

Also, I really want to play a Vampions game at some point: completely earnest, tongue in cheek, superheroes with fangs.

Lupercalcalcal
Jan 28, 2016

Suck a dick, dumb shits

MadRhetoric posted:

So someone needs to be punched in the throat for the Improv Magic rules in Awakening 2e: is it possible to just use the V:tR 2e magic stuff or am I going to have to get my hands dirty?

Also, I really want to play a Vampions game at some point: completely earnest, tongue in cheek, superheroes with fangs.

What's the problem with Awakening 2E improv magic?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
The MES just issued an absolute ban on rape and sexual assault from MES-sanctioned rp and character backgrounds. I'm glad to hear it but deeply unhappy that something happened to occasion it.

LatwPIAT
Jun 6, 2011

Pope Guilty posted:

The MES just issued an absolute ban on rape and sexual assault from MES-sanctioned rp and character backgrounds. I'm glad to hear it but deeply unhappy that something happened to occasion it.

I'm generally all for this, but part of me wants to say that banning it from backgrounds is unnecessarily restrictive.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

LatwPIAT posted:

I'm generally all for this, but part of me wants to say that banning it from backgrounds is unnecessarily restrictive.

I think it is better then the alternative which would be policing how much rape and sexual assault was too much in a background.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

jim truds posted:

I think it is better then the alternative which would be policing how much rape and sexual assault was too much in a background.

I'm now envisioning someone's backstory that's just one long interrupted rape session until literally the minute they became a player character.

Daeren
Aug 18, 2009

YER MUSTACHE IS CROOKED

Pope Guilty posted:

The MES just issued an absolute ban on rape and sexual assault from MES-sanctioned rp and character backgrounds. I'm glad to hear it but deeply unhappy that something happened to occasion it.

So, uh, do I even need to ask what happened, or is basically exactly what I think it was?

Flavivirus
Dec 14, 2011

The next stage of evolution.

Daeren posted:

So, uh, do I even need to ask what happened, or is basically exactly what I think it was?

It may not be anything in particular - rape-as-backstory has been prevalent (and poorly-treated) enough over the last few decades that pretty much every LARP I've been to in the UK has banned it completely, if they haven't entirely eliminated sexual assault as a thing that happens in their setting.

MadRhetoric
Feb 18, 2011

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES

Nifara posted:

What's the problem with Awakening 2E improv magic?

Do you want the long or the short version?

The short version is that actually using an improv spell takes forever to adjudicate, set up and cast even with the simplification over 1E. The long version is the idiosyncrasies of the scaling system with regards to Reach and Gnosis rewards gaming the everloving gently caress out of the system in order to get anything done outside of pregenerated spells.

The whole system would be better if it was based off of Quick and Dirty Spellcasting, which is thrown in as an afterthought.

Doodmons
Jan 17, 2009

MadRhetoric posted:

So someone needs to be punched in the throat for the Improv Magic rules in Awakening 2e: is it possible to just use the V:tR 2e magic stuff or am I going to have to get my hands dirty?

Also, I really want to play a Vampions game at some point: completely earnest, tongue in cheek, superheroes with fangs.

Don't use the Requiem Blood Sorcery rules. Apparently nobody at Onyx Path ever read Murderous Maths books as a child and don't understand the implications of putting "double the radius for every +2 successes" at the end of the table. I had a character in one of my games who had a middling-to-high sorcery pool who could do 70 aggravated damage to everything within the solar system. Don't ever write 'double X for every Y in any book ever because it gets out of hand incredibly quickly.

As for the Mage 2E rules, they're waaaaay better than the 1E rules - at least as much as I've played them. What problems are you having? I thought they were great.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
The trailer for the documentary is out on the youtubes. Spoilers: it's bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JAEHRyMLag

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Ericsson just made a huge post on their facebook page about how Gothic Punk style is dead and that they need to explore Gothic and punk in their own spaces and what they mean to the World of Darkness as a whole.



And then they post the trailer to Blade 4 on their youtube channel.

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






Doodmons posted:

Don't use the Requiem Blood Sorcery rules. Apparently nobody at Onyx Path ever read Murderous Maths books as a child and don't understand the implications of putting "double the radius for every +2 successes" at the end of the table. I had a character in one of my games who had a middling-to-high sorcery pool who could do 70 aggravated damage to everything within the solar system. Don't ever write 'double X for every Y in any book ever because it gets out of hand incredibly quickly.
Where's this show up? I have VtR 2E's core book but I don't remember seeing that. (2E offered a more limited selection on certain things than it probably should have, like bloodlines.) Was it in a splatbook for 1E or something?

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Kurieg posted:

the trailer to Blade 4
hahahahahahahaha what

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
I am... Not comforted by this trailer.

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


What was really important and new and interesting in role-playing games from 1991 is bloody dungeon porn and hot people in fetish wear

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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I've seen that VtM art. 'Hot' is not the word I would use.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Yawgmoth posted:

hahahahahahahaha what

Watch that youtube vid, it looks like they stole stills from the club scene from Blade 2.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
I no longer feel mad that they chose to go all in on the wrong World of Darkness, because they would have botched it.

Doodmons
Jan 17, 2009

NGDBSS posted:

Where's this show up? I have VtR 2E's core book but I don't remember seeing that. (2E offered a more limited selection on certain things than it probably should have, like bloodlines.) Was it in a splatbook for 1E or something?

It's in the supplement called Blood Sorcery: Sacraments and Blasphemies. It was the last thing they released before 2nd Ed and is pretty much completely compatible with it. Personally, I'd use some combination of the Blood Sorcery rules with what's in 2nd Ed - the shorter casting times from Blood Sorcery are a lot more reasonable for PCs to use than what's stated in 2E but it has some... balance issues as mentioned above. The book is very good overall, though. It has some cool antagonists and Threnodies are an awesome addition to the powers a Vampire can have. The Celerity 1 Threnody in particular is a lot more powerful in 2E than it would have been in 1E - it makes you automatically win any initiative tie. Like, say, one that occurs when multiple people spend blood on Celerity to go to the top of the initiative order.

Threnodies, in case anyone hasn't read the book, are sort of like single Discipline Devotions which are costed as Merits and are extra spooky. The metaphor the book uses is that Disciplines are like pricking the Beast with a pin to get it to do stuff while Threnodies are like stabbing it with a knife. You're supposed to make your own up both in and out of character (there are examples and guidelines) and are easier to learn on your own. The way they work is that you need a certain dot level in a Discipline to begin with, then you make some sort of sacrifice of a type appropriate to the Discipline and the dot level you're using. Examples include killing your true love for Majesty, blinding yourself for Auspex, destroying a relationship with a valuable associate for Dominate etc. Then you literally sing to your Beast and make the roll (don't gently caress it up - the failures are awful) and get weird, powerful alternate effects.

Threnody Examples:

Plague Dog (Animalism 3): Turn an animal into a suicide bomber that unerringly homes in on the target before detonating.
Seeing The Shred Of Truth (Auspex 2): You automatically become aware if anyone tells a lie for the scene.
Curse of Marathon's Alacrity (Celerity 4): For a number of hours equal to successes, the target is forced to run constantly at your full Celerity speed. If they do not, they take lethal damage every turn.
Soul Contract (Dominate 5): Allows you to ratify a written contract entered into freely by all parties. If anyone breaks the contract, they instantly gain a full Vinculum to the other parties, become unable to resist Dominate powers from them, and all those uses of Dominate are automatically exceptional successes. Permanently.
Safe Word (Majesty 4): Lets you opt out of having Majesty used on you in exchange for giving that person +1 in social rolls against you forever.
Harsh Reality (Nightmare 4): Give someone unceasing waking hallucinations of their worst fears for successes nights.
Paper Shredder (Obfuscate 3): All mundane evidence of someone's existence disappears through coincidence.
A More Perfect Monster (Protean 5): For the rest of the evening, double all your physical stats, all Protean powers become reflexive and you gain armour equal to successes rolled. This stacks with the Protean 4 Threnody Chimeric Form, which lets you use successes to buy features off a list that reminds me of oWoD Viccissitude - size, flight, stats, more limbs, armour etc. This also stacks with regular Protean. If you're starting to think that elder Gangrel with access to Threnodies are something truly horrible, you'd be right.
The Blood's Blessed Lotus (Resilience 2): Surgically implant a lotus seed in yourself, let it flower and rip it out to downgrade all Vinculi that you may be suffering from.
The Serpent's Stare (Vigor 3): Surgically replace one of your eyes with a snake's eye. Stare at people to telekinetically immobilise them with the force of your Vigor.

Basically Threnodies are cool as gently caress. The Sorcery rules are also cool as gently caress but have a few mechanical foibles that require removing for them to make any goddamn sense. The antagonists in the back of the book are also cool as gently caress (eg, the Ash That Devours, a mobile pile of serial-diablerising ash that's left behind when a powerful blood sorceror dies. If it eats enough souls, the sorceror is resurrected.) Overall, I would recommend the book if you want the occult to be a big part of your Requiem chronicle.

Dave Brookshaw
Jun 27, 2012

No Regrets
Heh.

It was writing the Blood Sorcery rules for that book that made me burn all use of Extended Actions for Mage spellcasting out of the being-built-at-the-time 2e spell system. Lots of things in Awakening are direct reactions to it.

Obligatum VII
May 5, 2014

Haunting you until no 8 arrives.

MonsieurChoc posted:

I no longer feel mad that they chose to go all in on the wrong World of Darkness, because they would have botched it.

The traits that made them pick oWoD in the first place are also the ones that are making them botch it.

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Attorney at Funk
Jun 3, 2008

...the person who says honestly that he despairs is closer to being cured than all those who are not regarded as despairing by themselves or others.

Dave Brookshaw posted:

Heh.

It was writing the Blood Sorcery rules for that book that made me burn all use of Extended Actions for Mage spellcasting out of the being-built-at-the-time 2e spell system. Lots of things in Awakening are direct reactions to it.

I'm glad Mage 2e benefited from this, though I am chagrined that Mage benefited by kind of sloughing it off onto Vampire.

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