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Wafflecopper posted:I think I've walked to a grand total of one quest battle since discovering that teleport was a thing. Once you take army upkeep into account it's usually much cheaper to teleport rather than have your LL and his stack out of position for several turns instead of conquering poo poo. You could see it as an extra challenge on higher difficulty levels that doesn't involve artificially boosting enemy stats or economies, and you'd get to fight new and interesting enemies. dogstile posted:It seems kind of funny that the guy bitching about $18 for a new army used to be a tabletop player yup. also this Corrode posted:How long does a full TW campaign take, like 10-15 hours? My cost for TW:W is already like £0.80/hr and I've only played 60 hours, even if I never touch it again that's more cost effective than basically any other media consumption. the price definitely feels stingy for the video game market but this is loving Warhammer, beautifully rendered in CG, complete with fighting shooting flying magic explosions effects etc and they just added most of an entire race with a flawlessly painted army including massive units, decked out heroes, and unique legendary lords. Like go back to your kid self who read manuals and bought models and say "ah, it was sixty bucks for the game alone, and now they want seventeen to twenty for an incomplete Beastmen army, what a fuckin ripoff" Making not just different models but entirely different animation sets to their standard of quality and then doing that again for 10 truly different races--assuming they keep that level of variation--is a massive expenditure of money and effort, and the only reason it is being risked is because of the premodelled set of races and armies built up and fleshed out over decades that has proven popular appeal. I'm ready to spend one to two hundred on this game and its sequels/dlc over the years as payment and to encourage continued support.
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Angry Lobster posted:People who played High Elves in tabletop usually were assholes and terrible human beings in general. gently caress them all. Gee, thanks.
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Jul 15, 2016 18:59
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Won my "Hard Long Campaign" for Empire. It uh... It ended as funny as it always ends. Kislev hunted down Kholek, He was the last hold out who kept being held off.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:07
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For those who didnt play tabletop: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vampire-Counts-Blood-Knights 5 Blood Knights. $100. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Archaon-Exalted THIS fucker. $165. Just for a bit of perspective when people complaing/comment on the tabletop prices. poo poo was ridiculous, and has only gotten more so. I wanted to link Steamhead Duradin models, but I cant find them as a category on their loving site Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Jul 15, 2016 19:07
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If Warham figures were a legit basis for comparison then almost every entertainment product in the world would be cheap.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:10
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True. I'm pretty drat confident I could support a coke habit for less than alot of folks spent on Warham.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:11
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I've never understood the whole, "This other thing is disfunctional, so you the disfunction in this thing is acceptable," line of reasoning. Like yeah, just because you have to stab someone for cigarettes in prison doesn't mean it's okay to knife a guy at the convenience store when you get out.
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Yeah comparing to Warhammer figures is a bit unfair. But personally while I see the price as being too much for some people, it's fine for me. I mean in the end, with inflation a thing and everything, games need to be getting more expensive, and devs need to extract whatever consumers are willing and able to pay to feed their employees and make new games. I kinda feel like people attach a moral dimension to games pricing sometimes that is a bit silly.
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Still a tad on the high end for some infinitely reproducible 1's and 0's in the video game genre and not the overly expensive chunk of plastic genre. I'll probably pick up the DLC in a big discounted pack instead of getting one half finished race at a time for 18$ a piece.
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Tabletop is really cheap when you compare it to raising a real army.
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Kuiperdolin posted:Tabletop is really cheap when you compare it to raising a real army. I live in Canada eh, they're pretty much aboot the same price roond here.
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making video game assets is actually hard and expensive work, yo
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Still a tad on the high end for some infinitely reproducible 1's and 0's in the video game genre and not the overly expensive chunk of plastic genre. Yeah, I have to agree. At this point, this is the only game I've gotten at release price on steam in around 2-3 years, and the only one I've sunk enough time in, to really say it was worth the cost. That said, for as much as I really enjoy the base game, for almost 20$ I expect something a bit more significant than just another race, and a mini campaign doesn't really mean anything to me. I'll probably just pick up the next bundle that goes on sale next year at this time.
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Yukitsu posted:Gee, thanks. Sorry, I'll take my medication.
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Angry Lobster posted:Sorry, I'll take my medication. no no you were right it's the elf players that are sick
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PoultryHammock posted:Yeah, I have to agree. At this point, this is the only game I've gotten at release price on steam in around 2-3 years, and the only one I've sunk enough time in, to really say it was worth the cost. That said, for as much as I really enjoy the base game, for almost 20$ I expect something a bit more significant than just another race, and a mini campaign doesn't really mean anything to me. I'll probably just pick up the next bundle that goes on sale next year at this time. Yeah, I've played this one a lot, even replayed some campaigns, but I'd rather wait and get everything in a neat bundle after all the DLC and FLC have completed the races a bit more and they finish adding missing units.
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I'm going to buy it because I make moderately poor financial choices.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:making video game assets is actually hard and expensive work, yo On the other hand, they'd get more sales at a lower price without having to worry about shrinking margins due to material costs, since this is completely digital. Other developers also manage to cram plenty of models/animations/content into a reasonable price point, so I'm not sure what's holding CA back. I'll just give them my money instead.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I didn't realize that Vermintide was that popular. I thought it was just another niche game like Mordheim. It doesn't have AAA blockbuster numbers, but it sold over half a million copies and had generally strong word of mouth. That's pretty dang good for a self published game by a tiny studio. At least from my own experiences talking to random pubbies in games, alot of the players came in without any background knowledge of Warhammer, but instead just liked the idea of a melee focused Left 4 Dead. It helps that Vermintide did a really good job of making Skaven flavorful and amusing. I have no idea how Mordheim did, but everything I've heard about it has been super toxic. Yukitsu posted:I live in Canada eh, they're pretty much aboot the same price roond here. I blame dark elves.
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Honestly why even play videogames unless you're being paid. Please follow me at twitch.tv/GamerEcon101
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I dont know posted:I have no idea how Mordheim did, but everything I've heard about it has been super toxic. mordheim bad
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With how expensive that game is why didn't people just use cardboard cutouts of armies to play that dumb game.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Yeah, I've played this one a lot, even replayed some campaigns, but I'd rather wait and get everything in a neat bundle after all the DLC and FLC have completed the races a bit more and they finish adding missing units. I've never even touched a table top game in my life, and the omitted units I've seen (both Beastdudes and other factions) people post in this thread are way more interesting than what seems to be coming in the Beastmen . I never got around to playing Attila, so Chaos is my only TW horde exposure, and it seems to suck pretty hard stacked against normal city expansion. On top of that, steam sales have taught me to not buy anything on its own, and just wait for bundles.
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Vermintide rules. It captured the Warhammer setting so perfectly and the Skaven are great enemies. The characters are solid and their banter/commentary is pitch perfect. On top of all of that, it's just a plain ol' good co-op game.
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Draynar posted:With how expensive that game is why didn't people just use cardboard cutouts of armies to play that dumb game. they wouldn't let you play in store/official events without an official army, for one.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:they wouldn't let you play in store/official events without an official army, for one. This fictional army doesn't exist unless you spend 160 dollars on our plastic toy for adults!
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Draynar posted:With how expensive that game is why didn't people just use cardboard cutouts of armies to play that dumb game. I get the impression that the game itself sucks and people mostly just want to have a pretty princess army of cool painted dudes. Which I can relate to since dumb cosmetic poo poo in games is totally my jam. Though maybe not to the degree of several hundred/thousand dollars.
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On the subject of DLC, this was briefly visible on the store page today: So 7 total planned DLCs, basically, at least for now. Wood Elves are obvious and bring us up to 4, so really it's just a question of if the last three are all Lord packs or if there's a third DLC race squirreled away in there somewhere.
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Draynar posted:This fictional army doesn't exist unless you spend 160 dollars on our plastic toy for adults! my man, you have no idea. some unoffical tournies were even bigger assholes; you could get docked points if your opponent accused you of having an army that wasn't "lore friendly" or painted/modeled "correctly". not points in some side contest, points in the actual "playing a series of games to find the best player" contest.
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Vargs posted:On the other hand, they'd get more sales at a lower price without having to worry about shrinking margins due to material costs, since this is completely digital. Other developers also manage to cram plenty of models/animations/content into a reasonable price point, so I'm not sure what's holding CA back. I'll just give them my money instead. But would selling at $10 let them make double the full price sales? A lot of the people not buying now probably would have waited for sales in any case, and even in those sales the original full price drives what the discount price can be for bargain chasers. They can cut to $10 later as an enticing '50% off' and that might well work out much better for them than charging $10 from the beginning. I don't really know the answer to those questions, but it's a marketing issue. It's not really about 'the reasonable price'.
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Draynar posted:This fictional army doesn't exist unless you spend 160 dollars on our plastic toy for adults! lol @ getting anything resembling on army on tabletop for $160 The base floor for a lovely-but-technically-exists army was like $400.
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Chomp8645 posted:lol @ getting anything resembling on army on tabletop for $160 What would the low price for a tournament quality army? The jokes about heroin and coke being cheaper hobbies don''t seem far off.
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madmac posted:On the subject of DLC, this was briefly visible on the store page today: I would guess Khremi would be in and you can add Northern-NotAfrica to the map and slot in a fractured set of Mummies to unify.
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Dandywalken posted:I wanted to link Steamhead Duradin models, but I cant find them as a category on their loving site https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Hammerers $50 for 10 hammerers https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dwarf-Warriors $35 for 16 warriors https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Gyrobomber $45 1 gyrobomber https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dwarf-Cannon $25 1 cannon https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Auric-Runefather-on-Magmadroth $110 Whatever the gently caress this is https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vulkite-Berserkers $60 10 slayers Dispossesed Ironweld Arsenal Fyreslayers Not featured anywhere: Thorgrim or Ungrim A decent sized army could have: 50 warriors (140 dollars with some spares) 20 ranged infantry (70 dollars, again with some spares. Let's call it 35 because we can share between warriors and ranged) 2 artillery pieces (50 dollars) 3 Lords/Heroes (63 dollars) A gyrocoptor or bomber (45 dollars) This is $333 dollars, not counting any modeling or painting tools/supplies. For a decent sized (1500 point) army in a single configuration. Actual dwarf players would have about twice this many models to provide for options, so you're looking about $700 plus at least $100 in supplies and paints. Final price for a serious but not hardcore dwarf player: $500-800 dollars Kaza42 fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Kaza42 posted:https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Hammerers $50 for 10 hammerers
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Now THATS a lotta DURADINSSSSSS
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Your gonna need a lot of Ur-gold if you want to play some Age of Sigmar.
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At least you don't have to pay upkeep. Yet.
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Fangz posted:At least you don't have to pay upkeep. Yet. It's called new editions. Pay it all again when a new rulebook comes out.
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For some reason the hotfix had to eat up almost all my SSD's harddrive space for some reason and i was left with 500 meg and an error message that i'd never seen before, turns out it was literally about to eat up all the remaining space during its write to disk stage. Its odd though because i had around 15 gigs of free space before the patch did its thing, seems to be a temporary usage deal so free space went up after it was done. Oh and as an aside, i went into "delete old unused games"mode on that SSD, Pillars of Eternity takes 25 gigs  For reference the Witcher 3 with all DLC's takes 45 gigs, but thats a massive open world game with stunning graphics, while i love PoE i just dont understand how you can almost reach 50% of W3 with what is essentially a prettier Baldurs Gate game.
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