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Nebakenezzer posted:Sorry, I think I misread you, I thought you meant good socialists in eastern europe were literally volunteering to work for a year in Siberian gulag-esque camps. Nowadays we just call them interns.
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On the Eastern Front, what's the average altitude for aerial combat? Would there have been clouds below or at that height? I've read something that the Il-2's would've approached at 1,500 feet; what altitude did the Germans preferred and what about other Soviet aircraft?
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The Imperial War Museum (which allows hotlinking and provides its own code for the purpose) has a nice little "before and after" diptych. These are German trenches at The Point, Thiepval, as seen by RFC photographic planes. On the left, 1 June 1916. On the right, 15 July 1916. Spot the difference. The trenches are still being occupied by the Germans. Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jul 15, 2016 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:On the Eastern Front, what's the average altitude for aerial combat? Would there have been clouds below or at that height? I've read something that the Il-2's would've approached at 1,500 feet; what altitude did the Germans preferred and what about other Soviet aircraft? nearly all was below 15kft. tactical air would transit at a few thousand and attack lower than that; fighters would be a few thousand above
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bewbies posted:nearly all was below 15kft I read this as below 15 feet. Would have made the eastern front much more entertaining.
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In the spirit of USA vs the world, here is the standard shoutout to The Big One https://www.amazon.com/Big-One-Stuart-Slade/dp/1430304952 Terribly spergy, it has Germany holding out till 1947 (for some reason I don't recall) so the US sends in swarms of nuclear bomb carrying B-36s and destroys every city in Germany. I think by 1990 the sequels have B70 orbital nuclear space station something somethings.
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Loel posted:In the spirit of USA vs the world, here is the standard shoutout to The Big One I believe it's because the UK and France peaces out in 1940 leaving Germany against the USSR alone so they're able to more generally hold the line around the Moscow 1942 line.
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Disinterested posted:That's to assume that in this counterfactual all of these countries don't suddenly pump giant effort in to their navies. Which is kind a problem with goofy counterfactuals - people always assume the thing they want changes but everything else stays the same! Carriers are some pretty severely long lead items and there's only so many huge shipyards that can do them. But by that point we're probably a bit far down the rabbit hole. Raenir Salazar posted:I believe it's because the UK and France peaces out in 1940 leaving Germany against the USSR alone so they're able to more generally hold the line around the Moscow 1942 line. It's also because the author is a dick and wrote it to be a dick to the germanophile alt-history by showing everything going right for zee Nazis and then devolves into dad fiction for Team B once he loses that thread.
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Loel posted:In the spirit of USA vs the world, here is the standard shoutout to The Big One Hey this is the same guy who wrote that three-part internet essay on countervalue targeting and other nuclear strategy stuff.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Sorry, I think I misread you, I thought you meant good socialists in eastern europe were literally volunteering to work for a year in Siberian gulag-esque camps. It's okay, I figured as much after my reply. Which would be a funny thought - "Canadian workers! Want to take part in fighting against fascism? Join the NKVD international volunteers crew in pictoresque Kolyma!" *drawing of a stoic camp guard standing in a watch tower*
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xthetenth posted:Carriers are some pretty severely long lead items and there's only so many huge shipyards that can do them. But by that point we're probably a bit far down the rabbit hole. Are you sure, in wartime? USS Hornet was laid down in September 1939 and launched December 1940, for instance. It's not nothing but it's not ridiculous either, and this was when the US was still at peace.
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my dad posted:I mean, if you let me bring a frag grenade to space, I too will have a weapon against hostile GPS coverage. And friendly GPS coverage. And the International Space Station. And... In this case, you don't have to go to space yourself. The Chinese modified some kind of military missile to reach Earth orbit. So now that they have proven this kind of stuff works, expect a lot of satellites to go down in every major war from now on.
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TaurusTorus posted:I read this as below 15 feet. Would have made the eastern front much more entertaining. In this universe CAS consists of chopping infantry up with your propellers 
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Nebakenezzer posted:Sorry, I think I misread you, I thought you meant good socialists in eastern europe were literally volunteering to work for a year in Siberian gulag-esque camps. Nenonen posted:It's okay, I figured as much after my reply. Which would be a funny thought - "Canadian workers! Want to take part in fighting against fascism? Join the NKVD international volunteers crew in pictoresque Kolyma!" *drawing of a stoic camp guard standing in a watch tower* Tens of thousands of Finns, Canadians and Americans did voluntarily emigrate to Soviet Union in the 30s. And many of them were executed or at least sent to the camps.
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Libluini posted:In this case, you don't have to go to space yourself. The Chinese modified some kind of military missile to reach Earth orbit. So now that they have proven this kind of stuff works, expect a lot of satellites to go down in every major war from now on. I think that there will be only one major war.
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Hogge Wild posted:I think that there will be only one major war. I'm already depressed enough, thank you. I choose to stay optimistic. 
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MikeCrotch posted:In this universe CAS consists of chopping infantry up with your propellers The P-47 is the undisputed king!
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Nenonen posted:It's okay, I figured as much after my reply. Which would be a funny thought - "Canadian workers! Want to take part in fighting against fascism? Join the NKVD international volunteers crew in pictoresque Kolyma!" *drawing of a stoic camp guard standing in a watch tower* It's be like a especially harsh summer camp for adults, except all you do is mine coal/gold/whatever mineral needs to be extracted via backbreaking labor. And across the lake there's this *other* camp, some sort of weight loss camp, everybody's real thin there. And then one night some of the guys in hut #4 decide to liberate the other camp's canoes as a hilarious prank!
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MikeCrotch posted:In this universe CAS consists of chopping infantry up with your propellers In this universe air cavalry just works like cavalry, glorious charges into infantry!
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TaurusTorus posted:In this universe air cavalry just works like cavalry, glorious charges into infantry! We're gonna need longer pikes
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So what will happen with the coup attempt going down in Turkey? I'm gonna show my ignorance, but don't we(America) have some obligation to intervene in a civil war in a NATO country?
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TaurusTorus posted:So what will happen with the coup attempt going down in Turkey? I'm gonna show my ignorance, but don't we(America) have some obligation to intervene in a civil war in a NATO country? NATO isn't going to stick its dick in that beehive.
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TaurusTorus posted:So what will happen with the coup attempt going down in Turkey? I'm gonna show my ignorance, but don't we(America) have some obligation to intervene in a civil war in a NATO country? Let's not discuss about current events in a history thread please.
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Hogge Wild posted:Let's not discuss about current events in a history thread please. Alright, I was just hoping for a review of past coups and what not, to see how it might inform what is happening, but if this isn't the thread I'll take it elsewhere.
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TaurusTorus posted:Alright, I was just hoping for a review of past coups and what not, to see how it might inform what is happening, but if this isn't the thread I'll take it elsewhere. Past coups are ok to discuss about, but this fine thread risks turning into D&D when current events are discussed.
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feedmegin posted:Are you sure, in wartime? USS Hornet was laid down in September 1939 and launched December 1940, for instance. It's not nothing but it's not ridiculous either, and this was when the US was still at peace. The Implacables took from mid-late 1939 to 1942 and were only completed in 1944, Taiho took three months short of two years to launch and was commissioned after over two and a half years. The Essexes took about a year and a half to two years. They're "build a class of light cruisers out of badly needed carriers to make up the gap" long lead, and that's for the country that's demonstrably massively better at it.
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TaurusTorus posted:So what will happen with the coup attempt going down in Turkey? I'm gonna show my ignorance, but don't we(America) have some obligation to intervene in a civil war in a NATO country? Ask over in the Cold War thread, they'll talk about it for three pages
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Didn't CIA prepare to arrange a military coup should the communists rise to power in Italian elections? A coup in Turkey just means continuity.
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Why the gently caress is anyone trying to be serious about this poo poo when Erdogan is calling into the news via Facetime to reassure them that everything is under control FACETIME
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Trin Tragula posted:Why the gently caress is anyone trying to be serious about this poo poo when Erdogan is calling into the news via Facetime to reassure them that everything is under control Free Apple advertising.
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Dear Mr. Bewbies, You may recall us talking about strategic bombers in World War 2 before. One point that we both agreed upon was that the Allies, especially Britain, were kind of mad for strategic bombing, especially at a time when air-frames were badly needed for the battle of the Atlantic. I think we both agreed that some four engine air-frames earmarked as bombers being redirected to ASW warfare / coastal command would have had a much greater impact there. Anyway, I've discovered something new. I'm still reading that book about the Battle of the Atlantic, and it has Sir John Slessor, head of Coastal command first point out that the battle against the U-boats really turned against them in 1943, and that a key part of this was closing the mid-ocean air gap. This gap was closed with B-24s modified for the ASW role, and in this book anyway, are referred to as VLR (Very Long Range) aircraft. The total number needed? 50. I don't know how Britain's heavy bombers (viz. the Stirling, the Halifax, and the Lancaster) compare to a B-24 VLR, but if they are anything comparable, I mean, goddamn. Yours etc. Neb
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Nebakenezzer posted:Dear Mr. Bewbies, The stirling was not really up to the job, it was the first 4 engine model and didnt have the neccesary range to close the gap, the Halifax was also lacking in range and had reliability issues at that stage in its life, the Lancaster was up to the job but they didnt really start getting delivered in great numbers until late 1942 early 1943, what coastal command needed was the B-24 as it was really the only plane available in enough numbers that they could draw on.
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Polyakov posted:The stirling was not really up to the job, it was the first 4 engine model and didnt have the neccesary range to close the gap, the Halifax was also lacking in range and had reliability issues at that stage in its life, the Lancaster was up to the job but they didnt really start getting delivered in great numbers until late 1942 early 1943, what coastal command needed was the B-24 as it was really the only plane available in enough numbers that they could draw on. How did engineers make a plane long range back then? Larger tanks? More efficient engines?
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Are there any reports from WWII soldiers about advancing over the old battlefields of WWI? Many of them are still a mess today, I imagine it was much more stark then.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Are there any reports from WWII soldiers about advancing over the old battlefields of WWI? There are bits of the Canadian war memorials in France (I thiiiiink Juno Beach, but it might have been Beaumont Hamel) where the tour takes you past places still too dangerous to cross from buried WW1 ordinance and then places too dangerous to cross from buried WW2 ordinance. Stone's throw away from each other. Really hammered it home for me.
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According to legend, there is a bunker in France on the wall of which some poor sod wrote his name twice – once in each war.
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Phobophilia posted:lmbo its the anti-ship cruise missile vs satan author Oh my god he's the Armageddon guy. He's the Tom Clancy of the Internet era! This probably belongs better in the Cold War thread. Or maybe I should start a Book Barn thread on Stuart Slade.
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I've actually read one of his. The Big One. Where as described previously WW2 goes on to 1947 and the US launches a mass B36 nuclear strike on Germany. I swear you can see the points in the prose where the author had to stop for a minute so he could furiously masturbate again. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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Grand Prize Winner posted:How did engineers make a plane long range back then? Larger tanks? More efficient engines? People were still in the midst of figuring that one out, though basically you are talking about lots of fuel, so a big airplane. Planes that could patrol the mid-Atlantic were a pretty new thing; it was only in the late 1930s that airplanes started to fly the North Atlantic commercially.
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