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Nenonen posted:Erdogan must be glad that thanks to him Turkey has a free, multifaceted, unrestrained media and that censure, especially of the internet, is frowned upon. Without his liberal media culture legacy it would be hard to fight the army when in exile. Erdogan stirs the populace into frenzy by placing all the Pokémon Go gyms into military-controlled areas.
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snyprmag posted:I thought the consensus was that Erdogan had de-fanged the military to prevent this very thing from happening? Was everyone just wrong? Well, presumably yes, they were.
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Just so we're clear, you don't just go into a tank and turn the key and drive/shoot
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snyprmag posted:I thought the consensus was that Erdogan had de-fanged the military to prevent this very thing from happening? Was everyone just wrong? I assume that's why the head of the military was one of the people the coup arrested.
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Have the past few elections in Turkey been relatively clean? Because, sure, Erdogan's a fucker, but if he's cleanly democratically elected he's still a more legitimate national leader than whatever mystery clique is leading this coup.
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Karl Sharks posted:he's on vacation So was Erdogan! 
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we'll that's about the least subtle way to flip him the finger and make clear the entire western world is against him i can think of short of shooting down his plane
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Nenonen posted:So was Erdogan! Has anyone ever seen Brown Moses and Erdogan in the same place at the same time?
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Just so we're clear, you don't just go into a tank and turn the key and drive/shoot Actually I think as far as driving a tank you just get in and drive. I don't even think they have keys. That's why a tank got stolen in Florida in the 90s and went on a rampage. Shooting it however, I don't think just anyone can do that
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Just so we're clear, you don't just go into a tank and turn the key and drive/shoot Am I stuck in inverted world because this is all too loving weird
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Insurrectionist posted:Next time you should go somewhere with a nice and stable ruthless dictatorship with an iron grip on the populace
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Read on the Reddit live feed that the military was backing down. Anyone have a source on that?
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Ofaloaf posted:Have the past few elections in Turkey been relatively clean? Because, sure, Erdogan's a fucker, but if he's cleanly democratically elected he's still a more legitimate national leader than whatever mystery clique is leading this coup. yeah, though he did start a war with the kurds when he didn't get the supermajority he wanted and then called new elections he's a bad guy but he is a democratically elected bad guy
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If he's willfully violating their constitution as the military is claiming you could argue that the coup is justified, even if he's democratically elected.
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Eezee posted:If he's willfully violating their constitution as the military is claiming you could argue that the coup is justified, even if he's democratically elected. he's not really: he's planning on changing the constitution
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So, any analysis on how many of those dtreet gatherings are pro-Erdogan, and how many are pro-coup?
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Ofaloaf posted:Have the past few elections in Turkey been relatively clean? Because, sure, Erdogan's a fucker, but if he's cleanly democratically elected he's still a more legitimate national leader than whatever mystery clique is leading this coup. no not really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud_and_violence_during_the_Turkish_general_election,_June_2015
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This fresh from Reutersquote:A coup attempt in Turkey involves a substantial part of the military and "not just a few colonels", a European Union source monitoring events in the EU candidate country said on Friday.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Just so we're clear, you don't just go into a tank and turn the key and drive/shoot Well, if the hatch is open, yep, you can. Driving should be relatively straightforward. Shooting, OTOH, would probably be trickier.
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Please tell me there is a flight tracker for Erdogan's plane
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evilweasel posted:yeah, though he did start a war with the kurds when he didn't get the supermajority he wanted and then called new elections He has been arresting opposition politicians, journalist, and critics though, it's not as obvious as stuffing ballot boxes but it's still election rigging e: hey, I guess he was stuffing ballot boxes and other stuff too
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steinrokkan posted:So, any analysis on how many of those dtreet gatherings are pro-Erdogan, and how many are pro-coup? Lots of cheering and whistling whenever military aircraft flies overhead, so I'd wager on the majority being pro-coup.
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Liberal_L33t posted:If anyone was still unsure just HOW irredeemable a piece of poo poo Erdogan is... well, exhibit A would be all of the obvious false-flag terrorist attacks his regime has committed trying to frame the Kurds, which will probably be brought to light quickly now that he's no longer in power. list them
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evilweasel posted:he's a bad guy but he is a democratically elected bad guy [in joementum voice]: you know who else was a democratically elected bad guy?
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Ofaloaf posted:Have the past few elections in Turkey been relatively clean? Because, sure, Erdogan's a fucker, but if he's cleanly democratically elected he's still a more legitimate national leader than whatever mystery clique is leading this coup. Erdogan has been systematically dismantling the safeguards in the constitution and effectively establishing himself as a dictator, so gently caress him
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Several shootings between police vs Army and civilians vs Army in several different turkish cities reported...... Welcome to Civil War!
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Elotana posted:Please tell me there is a flight tracker for Erdogan's plane Seems he might not have actually been on a plane. gently caress, between this and pro-regime protests in the streets, this could get mighty ugly.
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Jesus Edit: Twitter account confirmed fake
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evilweasel posted:he's not really: he's planning on changing the constitution There are certain principles of Turkish constitution that are held as sacred by traditionalists. I mean, technically I guess it would be possible for the Bill of Rights of the USA to be revoked, but I'm sure it would cause an uprising and an upswell of support for anti-government forces.
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There's enough to dislike about Erdogan without hunting for an imaginary agenda to institute Sharia law and declare himself Caliph
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Yes, Donald, I was just thinking we might coup you if you win.
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Both CHP and MHP are condemning the coup. I don't think it can progress any more. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101670&NewsCatID=341
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That's a fake account. ("Denald")Still, ouch.
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Erdo-where to land
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Knightsoul posted:Several shootings between police vs Army and civilians vs Army in several different turkish cities reported......
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Ofaloaf posted:Have the past few elections in Turkey been relatively clean? Because, sure, Erdogan's a fucker, but if he's cleanly democratically elected he's still a more legitimate national leader than whatever mystery clique is leading this coup. If he won those elections, he did so on a platform of theocracy, which renders his government de-facto illegitimate even if they supposedly got 60, 75% or whatever of the vote. The modernized citizens of Turkey are under no obligation to allow the drooling fundamentalist zombies in the rural areas drag them back into the 16th century because they happen to represent 51% of the vote at one particular moment in time. The military, as the guardians of constitutional authority, have a duty to prevent governments from infringing on the individual rights of every citizen. Erdogan managing to cobble together 55% of a vote doesn't invalidate or override that guardianship.
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