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Entenzahn posted:If every decision that's ever being made by anyone ever across the entire universe creates a new timeline, then there was already going to be a near infinite number of timelines where the nuclear terrorist is dead or under arrest or has never existed in the first place because Fanz Ferdinand wasn't assassinated, and World War I hasn't happened until 1942, at which point it wiped out 90% of the Western European population at the hands of Russian Imperial gas bomber squadrons. If anything, Delta's game has created even more timelines where the nuclear attack suceeded, thus whiping out humanity multiple times over for the sole purpose of creating a single timeline where he could be born. Delta is a selfish rear end in a top hat and/or the plot is dumb. Maybe there's a limit to how different the timeline you can shift to can be. I'm really glad not to talk about the time paradoxes.
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Was there really any significance for Delta/Zero to kill Gab? I mean come on. It's like they decided "you know who hasn't died so far in the game? The dog. We need to fix that."
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Jul 15, 2016 23:40
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NextTime000 posted:yeah, really the Back to the Future story felt more like a red herring to try to inject some form of moral dilemma into shifting. I assumed Carlos made an educated guess.
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Jul 15, 2016 23:42
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I find it weird that they point out that a consciousness can split, such as "the Sigma and Diana who transported" and "the Sigma and Diana who were left behind" but then don't make the argument that perhaps a shift is a convergence of consciousness, where the information is all consistent and so both minds would feel as if nothing had changed aside from suddenly knowing more things. Instead they decide it's a swap and we get a silly moral dilemma way too deep in. In fact the convergence would be more consistent with what less aware shifters experience, such as when Phi in VLR "just knew" things.
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Jul 15, 2016 23:47
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Even if the ends might've been sortof good Delta was clearly an rear end in a top hat who enjoyed seeing people put in horrible situations. I don't think he was necessarily aiming to minimize suffering/death across all timelines.
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Jul 15, 2016 23:58
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Danaru posted:Without the 75% timeline, there'd be no 0%, only 100%s all the way down Why? The only relevant thing that seemed to come out of VLR timeline was that it got Sigma and Phi to sign up for the Mars experiment, but was that necessary? Couldn't he have done what Akane did and just gather them himself, considering he has a cult and a small army of super-strong robot children at his control? VLR seemed unnecessary to awaken Sigma's shifting ability as well since he already mentioned instances of it manifesting when he was a child, it should have been activated by the danger+puzzles+choices setup of the games anyway. Timelines pop up when a choice creates a branch, Delta wasn't saving a bunch of timelines from extinction, he just added a bunch more where 75% die. NRVNQSR posted:My reading was that he doesn't actually believe in the 0% casualties timeline, not even in the true ending. The 75% casualties timeline is still his plan A, the true end is more of a curiosity which might work. This makes more sense to me.
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Without the VLR timeline there's no Delta. Even if he just kidnapped young Sigma he probably wouldn't have formed the same relationship with Diana as the old Sigma who had already lived with her.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:03
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Lord Ephraim posted:Was there really any significance for Delta/Zero to kill Gab? I mean come on. It's like they decided "you know who hasn't died so far in the game? The dog. We need to fix that." I like the theory that Delta shot Gab to force Gab to SHIFT to the payoff timeline.
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Lord Ephraim posted:Was there really any significance for Delta/Zero to kill Gab? I mean come on. It's like they decided "you know who hasn't died so far in the game? The dog. We need to fix that." He's an rear end in a top hat. I'm pretty sure that's why. If Delta was my kid, I'm not sure I'd invite him to Thanksgiving.
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Lareine posted:He's an rear end in a top hat. I'm pretty sure that's why. If Delta was my kid, I'm not sure I'd invite him to Thanksgiving. That makes me think, surely we should be due loads of "happy family with Sigma, Diana, Phi and Delta" fan art by now? I haven't seen any yet. E: OP comic excepted, obviously.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:16
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A minor question in the scheme of things. That Fanatic R whatever virus never actually existed, did it?
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Lareine posted:A minor question in the scheme of things. That Fanatic R whatever virus never actually existed, did it? Smarter people than me have noticed that "Fanatic Bio R" is an anagram of "Fabrication".
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Jul 16, 2016 00:21
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It seems to be metaphor for the fanatic who caused a 100% deathrate amongst humans.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:26
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People universally seem to think that Akane's voice actress is dreadful, but I find it interesting she is voiced by Rena Strober, who very recently gave a praised performance as Azura in Fire Emblem Fates. I wonder what happened?
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I thought she was fine.
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like 90% of the bad voice acting comes down to the direction, not really the actor. also fates doesn't actually have much full voice acting, she mainly just sang
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Heh voice actor complaints when you could just use the JP voice option  Having said that, the JP voices never go above "decent", but none of them are bad like English Akane.
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If Sigma developed Axelivir in the future, why didn't he write down the recipe and render the threat of radical 6 mute? Or is Axelivir actually just a mixture of that virus that causes 100% fatality? Also, its mentioned in the twins ending that Akane still has her bracelet on when she leaves and Sigma hypothesizes that she got hit with the amnesia drug on the way out, which is why she doesn't come back. Someone asked about this awhile back, I think. Also, I choose to believe there is a timeline where Sigma, Diana and the kids get rescued by alt. Carlos and everyone lives happily ever after. I guess the True end version of Akane could go back and get a rescue on after 10 months... I think Delta had some Mommy issues with the way he mocks Diana after making her push the HF shower button and then neglects to kill her in the route where you learn the quantum computer's access code. There;s a lot of contempt in that voice. Growing up adopted in 20th century Germany can understandingly have some negative repercussions on a kid. Without true blood parents proving German heritage, things can get confusing in war-time.
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voltcatfish posted:People universally seem to think that Akane's voice actress is dreadful, but I find it interesting she is voiced by Rena Strober, who very recently gave a praised performance as Azura in Fire Emblem Fates. I really liked Akane's voice and the one I felt weird was Mira's voice. She wasn't bad just, weird.
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I hate voice actor chat but I liked Akane's voice I reject any line of thinking that presupposes Delta had free will
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The Gentlemieu posted:If Sigma developed Axelivir in the future, why didn't he write down the recipe and render the threat of radical 6 mute? Or is Axelivir actually just a mixture of that virus that causes 100% fatality? Axelivir was created from antibodies, so even if the formula was brought back, nobody could produce it until they got a hold of a survivor of Radical-6, and by the time the chaos would have settled enough for that... well, it'd be far too late.
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I like that Carlos thought to send himself back in time to free people from the bunker but Sigma who is apparently the smartest dude ever and has Phds in everything didn't think to send himself back to free the left-behind versions of himself, Diana and his kids.
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carlos sending himself back but never thinking to maybe stop the decision game made him my favorite character instantly
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Carlos just didn't wanna cause a paradox.
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Carlos specifically promised that he'd be back to save those two, and he's a man who keeps his promises. He just never promised anything about stopping the Decision Game before it started, which is why he didn't think to do it.
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Lord Ephraim posted:Was there really any significance for Delta/Zero to kill Gab? I mean come on. It's like they decided "you know who hasn't died so far in the game? The dog. We need to fix that." I assumed it was so the group had no reason to stay, so they wouldn't feel bad about leaving Gab to die.
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The Gentlemieu posted:Also, I choose to believe there is a timeline where Sigma, Diana and the kids get rescued by alt. Carlos and everyone lives happily ever after. I guess the True end version of Akane could go back and get a rescue on after 10 months... That would be a lot better than thinking that all four of them slowly starved to death. Five if you included Gab.
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Don't worry they won't starve to death, Sigma still has that revolver he can use to end the lives of his family without suffering 
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The Gentlemieu posted:I think Delta had some Mommy issues with the way he mocks Diana after making her push the HF shower button and then neglects to kill her in the route where you learn the quantum computer's access code. There;s a lot of contempt in that voice. Growing up adopted in 20th century Germany can understandingly have some negative repercussions on a kid. Without true blood parents proving German heritage, things can get confusing in war-time. It's hard to blame Delta for feeling contempt for his parents who, in trying to send their kids to a safe place to grow up, sent them to loving Germany a decade before the start of World War I
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U-DO Burger posted:It's hard to blame Delta for feeling contempt for his parents who, in trying to send their kids to a safe place to grow up, sent them to loving Germany a decade before the start of World War I But that alien number system is REALLY confusing!
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Waffleman_ posted:Also, wasn't it the last point they knew the transporter was before Delta got his hands on it? it was a century before Delta got his hands on the transporter.
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Yeah, but they didn't know it was that long. Zero told them that it was in Germany in the early 20th century, so that's what they did.
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So, what the gently caress is up with Delta's eyes? Why are they glowing purple? And how is he so old yet in such good shape? Also, why did the people in 1904 only send Phi? If you're going to be 3D printing mysterious babies into the future, why not do both? Did they just not think of that? Did they just do it with Phi since she was a girl and less valuable?
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https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/753874556150878208 https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/753875441543327744 So, Uchikoshi tweeted about a reddit thread I made to find clues forshadowing Q's identity, and said that the stuff posted was mostly right. 
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https://twitter.com/MFMegaZeroX/status/754182960270696448 Well? Did you squee or not?
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Lareine posted:So, what the gently caress is up with Delta's eyes? Why are they glowing purple? And how is he so old yet in such good shape? Also, why did the people in 1904 only send Phi? If you're going to be 3D printing mysterious babies into the future, why not do both? Did they just not think of that? Did they just do it with Phi since she was a girl and less valuable? I presume they were raised separately. Otherwise Delta must have known Phi was his sister way before DCOM.
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Linguica posted:https://twitter.com/MFMegaZeroX/status/754182960270696448 Yes. And almost choked on a biscuit I was eating. It was painful. Edit: Also, I forgot that you can embed twitter posts now. I'll update my original post. MegaZeroX fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:I presume they were raised separately. Otherwise Delta must have known Phi was his sister way before DCOM. I don't know. If I found two mysterious babies named after Greek letters, I would assume they were siblings and would try to raise them together. Then again, I am not from 1904. I guess they just pawned off the babies where they could, not caring if they got to be together or not. I mean, after all, they are babies. At this point though, I'm really kind of concerned more about Delta's age, combined with good health and freakish glowing purple eyes. Does his mind hack ability make his eyes glow just like how being a SHIFTer makes you turn into blue light?
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