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Firebert posted:I don't consider it anti-trek. It's very TOS and pays a lot of homage to the series. Farscape is basically..."imagine Voyager if the writers and producers knew or cared what they were doing". I call is that because it takes the TOS/TNG tropes and tosses them on their head.
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Baronjutter posted:On our recent DS9 watch me and my wife both agreed that the first mirror universe episode was fine as a one off, but they became bad and stale super quick. Ferengi episodes are all good, profit and lace is tolerable, mirror universe are all really bad beyond the first one. DS9 holodeck episodes are good and baseball episode is real good, it actually got my wife interested in baseball and now we go to local games. Startrek: getting nerds interested in sports. I'm a weirdo who enjoys the ENT mirror universe episode. It's good, hammy fun full of people being retards, Enterprise dispensing with the usual protests it makes about its women existing only for fanservice, and Hoshi getting to do something for once in the show's run.
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I ended up going to the Starfleet Academy Experience at the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa. I had a lot of fun with the little displays and minigames they had there. I did notice that even in a museum, O'Brien can't catch a break (I know it's a lovely picture):   His was the only one in the exhibit that had any kind of battle damage. It had to be intentional on the part of the curator.
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Noticed that all the Axanar Prod. website seems to be doing these days is reviews of other productions and other log-rolling endeavors.
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Uhh JJ Abrams just said the next Trek movie after Beyond will have Kirks dad back.
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Burning_Monk posted:I call is that because it takes the TOS/TNG tropes and tosses them on their head. Farscape owns bones. I think everyone ITT is on the same page about this, more or less. The rest is semantics.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Awww, that's so rad. Not only that, he was so into costuming that he used the stuff he got from Theiss to personally create all the costumes they used in NV, which is why they always had such great costumes from the beginning. He made the green wraparound tunic for Archer in the Enterprise Mirror episodes, IIRC: 
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GreenNight posted:Uhh JJ Abrams just said the next Trek movie after Beyond will have Kirks dad back.
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What's at 93% ? This fan phase II stuff? The acting and editing is bad 
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Star Trek: Beyond Thunderdome, the movie we were talking about.
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Cojawfee posted:Star Trek: Beyond Thunderdome, the movie we were talking about. "Who run main Engineering?" "Lt.Master Blaster run main Engineering."
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Cojawfee posted:Star Trek: Beyond Thunderdome, the movie we were talking about.
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Is there a comprehensive guide to the Star Trek comics anywhere?
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just watched the very special drug episode in season 1 of tng. I'm amazed Beverly just didn't go "we've allowed for a permanent underclass of an entire planet of drug addicts. Starfleet is horseshit, I'm outies", because what the gently caress
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io9 said the movie was very frustrating because the middle bit with all the characters was really good and they just NAILED the interactions. They also said it's the best movie since IV to involve all the characters in meaningful ways. Then they went on to advise to hit the bathroom during the climax of the movie because it is tonally and narratively absurd and a massive let down.
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Cythereal posted:I'm a weirdo who enjoys the ENT mirror universe episode. It's good, hammy fun full of people being retards, Enterprise dispensing with the usual protests it makes about its women existing only for fanservice, and Hoshi getting to do something for once in the show's run. That's not weird, that's the best mirror universe episode and probably the best ENT episode. They had so much fun with it. The only good DS9 one was the one where Rom was along and constantly questioning the premise.
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PenguinKnight posted:just watched the very special drug episode in season 1 of tng. I'm amazed Beverly just didn't go "we've allowed for a permanent underclass of an entire planet of drug addicts. Starfleet is horseshit, I'm outies", because what the gently caress Addict Planet made everything for Drug Planet so the losers here would be Drug Planet.
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Baka-nin posted:Well actually in DS9 the Terran Empire collapsed because Spock's reforms made them less brutal and murderous, the DS9 mirror universe is ruled by the Klingon-Cardassian-Bajoran alliance, so the comic pantomime villainy is a little more understandable. I still find myself skipping most of the later MU episodes though. I'm glad TNG and Voyager never bothered with them. "You see, it turned out that liberalizing only weakened us and allowed the untermenschen with their deviant sexualities to overrun us and destroy our civilization!" Christ, I hate DS9's take on the mirror universe.
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Nessus posted:I thought the idea there was that the planet of addicts were going to have mass involuntary detox and would then be fine, while the planet whose only industry was selling narcotics would be like "uh, welp." I kind of had that thought, but I still find a forced detox not fully humane. yeah, it screws peddler planet in the long run, but addict planet is going to suffer like hell for an undeterminable amount of time. find a way to help addict planet while dicking with peddler planet.
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PenguinKnight posted:I kind of had that thought, but I still find a forced detox not fully humane. yeah, it screws peddler planet in the long run, but addict planet is going to suffer like hell for an undeterminable amount of time. find a way to help addict planet while dicking with peddler planet. At that point Drug Planet is in deep poo poo. If Drug Planet was smart they'd be encouraging Addict Planet to start building new space freighters.
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true. also, rip Tasha Yar, the writers didn't bother to give you much to do
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Bridge looks nicer with toned-down lighting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmGpXOLFBk
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Okan170 posted:Bridge looks nicer with toned-down lighting! They threw in a bit of non-blue colour, too. Much better.
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Watching Threshold right now. Tom Paris is acting the hell out of his deathbed scene. It's been surprisingly entertaining.
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Well, seeing as they've thrown a whole load of Trek on UK Netflix, my partner and I have been watching DS9. Skipped a few really bad episodes in Season 1 but we've really enjoyed S2 so far. Maquis Pt 1&2 were particularly great. Looking forward to the wire next.
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Met posted:Watching Threshold right now. Tom Paris is acting the hell out of his deathbed scene. It's been surprisingly entertaining. Don't worry. "Threshold" doesn't hit its stride until the last five minutes. Speaking of which, there's a couple of things that have been sticking in my mind about TOS' "The Changeling." One of them is that little setting detail that makes the premise "Threshold" so stupid. NOMAD forces them to go to warp 11 in the episode, and even though Scotty says, "That's not possible!" People in the old thread mentioned something in TOS that proved how goofy the "warp 10 barrier" was, and that must be it. You would think Starfleet would have recorded that poo poo and published it. I guess nobody told Voyager's crew about it. Eh. The other things that's been really bugging me is what happens to Uhura. She gets mind-wiped by NOMAD to the point that she can talk and talk and stuff, but her mind is completely blank. They "re-educate" her with Starfleet super.... teaching? Which is all well and good but what the gently caress her memories are all gone. The poor woman is like a brand new person! I can't tell if the scene with her learning and her lapsing into Swahili is supposed to make me feel better, or if it's just goofy. Because I guess that if she still knows Swahili, maybe she didn't get totally mind-wiped. I dunno. I just found all of it really disturbing and Voyager-esque when they blow it all off at the end of the episode, and it's never mentioned again.
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Next Gen onwards uses a different system for warp speeds than the original series, probably to stop writers constantly inflating warp speeds for dramatic effect. I think Threshold was the first time it was mentioned on-screen, but defining 'Warp 10' as an infinite, unattainable speed goes back to the TNG writer's bible. Warp 10 in TOS is a bit more than Warp 8 on the TNG scale. Neat behind the scenes detail: Nichelle Nichols put her foot down and demanded the writers find someone to translate those handful of lines into Swahili - the original script just used English, but she thought it important that Uhura's background be acknowledged directly. (Plus, as you mentioned, if she remembers her first language, it implies she wasn't entirely mind-wiped, and maybe her memories were just scrambled, which is a hell of a lot easier to swallow than the alternative...)
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Isn't the line something like 'She'll be at college level in a few weeks!'
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Angry Salami posted:Next Gen onwards uses a different system for warp speeds than the original series, probably to stop writers constantly inflating warp speeds for dramatic effect. I think Threshold was the first time it was mentioned on-screen, but defining 'Warp 10' as an infinite, unattainable speed goes back to the TNG writer's bible. Warp 10 in TOS is a bit more than Warp 8 on the TNG scale. I see. I don't really care about setting minutiae, but warp 10 seemed like a pretty simple thing that the VOY writers were just too lazy to notice. They're so inept and lazy all the time that it's hard ot give them the benefit of the doubt about anything. As for Uhura's deal: Bones does say at the end of the episode that "she'll be back to college level in a few days." Chalk it up to Starfleet super-science and, more plausibly, that she wasn't completely mind-wiped, if the Swahili is any indication. Also: Nichelle Nichols is awesome.
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http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor#Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series
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Voyager was all dark and serious and depressing and most episodes were about paranormal things and GHOSTSSSS. DS9 was about having fun and hanging out with friends.
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Shibawanko posted:Voyager was all dark and serious and depressing and most episodes were about paranormal things and GHOSTSSSS. DS9 was about having fun and hanging out with friends. That, plus the horrors of war and the personal and moral sacrifices it requires, along with facing the horrible truth of one's past actions. And fun in the holosuites, I guess. Occasionally. So... trap sprung? I guess? 
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Angry Salami posted:Next Gen onwards uses a different system for warp speeds than the original series, probably to stop writers constantly inflating warp speeds for dramatic effect. I think Threshold was the first time it was mentioned on-screen, but defining 'Warp 10' as an infinite, unattainable speed goes back to the TNG writer's bible. Warp 10 in TOS is a bit more than Warp 8 on the TNG scale.
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I think it is good that they go fast in the first episode. If you can't go warp 10 and they go 9.7 in the first episode, writers can't do any stupid poo poo to try to make their episode be the fastest enterprise ever or whatever. Except for that one where the pedophile diddles Wesley and the ship goes fast.
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Voyager is the fastest model in the fleet, with its variable warp field nacelles able to push the engines to warp 9.975336281. Until you get to the episode where the Doc meets Hollo AndyDick on the USA prototype ship Badass TRIPLE SEPARATION VECTOR ASSAULT BATTLE MASTER. That ship goes 9.9754! But then you get stupid rear end loving alternatech like the Trajector field, QUANTUM SLIPSTREAM, Transwarp and Kes' PsychoCrusher Superwarp that just means writers can pull bullshit out of their rear end to Gotta go Fast! Also gently caress TMP because it says impulse is warp .5 WHICH IS JUST RIDICULOUS MAN FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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FilthyImp posted:
I watched a bit of TMP for the first time in over a decade the other day, and that was one of two things that bothered me (of the bit I saw). The other was the dirt on the lens in some of the beauty shots of the Enterprise leaving Spacedock.
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Eventually TNG meets some aliens who only exist in warpspace and get really mad/die when stuff goes by them at speeds greater than Warp 5. So from that point onward the ships only travel at Warp 5 at most, to set some logistical limits on space travel in the stories. No idea if/when they dropped this.
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Cojawfee posted:I think it is good that they go fast in the first episode. If you can't go warp 10 and they go 9.7 in the first episode, writers can't do any stupid poo poo to try to make their episode be the fastest enterprise ever or whatever. Except for that one where the pedophile diddles Wesley and the ship goes fast. I think the intended effect of not putting a number to "alien induced super speed" worked fine, but had the retarded/annoying side effect of constantly using decimal points to denote speed.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Eventually TNG meets some aliens who only exist in warpspace and get really mad/die when stuff goes by them at speeds greater than Warp 5.  Like dudes living by a highway saying "plz don't Roll Coal when you drive by because now all the birds are dead and the air quality sucks"
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