UKMT July 2016 - Thank you very much. Do doooooo do do. Right.

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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Trickjaw posted:

Pfft. Have you seen what heroin costs these days? Good on ya (do not fund Pissflaps or that other knob)

I'm already able to vote thanks to 6+months membership. :colbert:

On this day in 1979 al-Bakr steps down and Saddam Hussein becomes leader of Iraq.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:25

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TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Has the thread talked about yesterday's story in the Times?

Andrea Leadsom posted:

�As an employer we�re not, let�s face it, most of us don�t employ men as nannies, most of us don�t,� she told the paper.

�Now you can call that sexist, I call that cautious and very sensible when you look at the stats.

�Your odds are stacked against you if you employ a man. We know paedophiles are attracted to working with children. I�m sorry but they�re the facts.�

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:25

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

It wasn't mentioned but I saw the fallout in the news yesterday but none of the papers provided the actual text that she said. Only John Crace's weekly digest mentioned the term itself.

Comically enough her response to the anger at that comment was to boast about having a male nanny for her children.

So... you apparently are okay with your own kids being victimised, Leadsom? Or maybe you're just full of poo poo.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:28

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

TinTower posted:

Has the thread talked about yesterday's story in the Times?

There is just too much to address, to get to every stupid loving thing a Tory says.

Friendly Humour posted:

I find it a bit odd the response to the ban on all political meetings and disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of members has been so muted. I don't really understand how it's even legal to do that.

The response has been loving incandescent on social media. But you wouldn't know to read a paper or watch the news.

I wonder why...

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:36

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

TinTower posted:

Has the thread talked about yesterday's story in the Times?

Ms. Leadsom then complained about the academic performance of boys, probably blaming feminism for scaring off all the male role models from schools.

No Andrea, it was people like you that did it by calling them all peds for wanting to work with children.

(Aren't the statistics nowhere near as clear cut as she implies, especially when you include family members?)

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:38

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

TinTower posted:

Has the thread talked about yesterday's story in the Times?

hell, she's right

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:39

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

men are bad

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:39

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

And the 25 quid contribution to the Socialist Takeover of the Labour Party has been claimed and processed.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:41

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Guavanaut posted:

(Aren't the statistics nowhere near as clear cut as she implies, especially when you include family members?)

Pretty sure that's wrt child abuse, rather than child sexual abuse, could be wrong though.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:47

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Namtab posted:

anime are bad

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:47

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Namtab posted:

hell, she's right

Namtab posted:

men are bad

She's half right; everyone's awful.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:48

DesperateDan: Dec 10, 2005; Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Part of my work revolves around animal control on farmland/woodland, and a part of that involves hunting. I don't deal with anything larger than rabbit, but I know people who manage fox and deer, and they put a lot of effort into making sure that any culling is recorded, monitored and managed. "Fox hunting with dogs" doesn't tend to do these things. It doesn't wait in a hide to deliver a near certain instantaneous kill, either. It's not about animal control when you create ideal set conditions to encourage growth of the "pest" animal, and they certainly aren't eating them. It doesn't require any great skill. It is the horrific opposite of making clean kills. It was banned for very good reason but sadly the law was never really enforced much at all, and hunting will continue to be associated with a bunch of hooray Henry's torturing the poo poo out of animals.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:49

hookerbot 5000: Dec 21, 2009

Tesseraction posted:

It wasn't mentioned but I saw the fallout in the news yesterday but none of the papers provided the actual text that she said. Only John Crace's weekly digest mentioned the term itself.

Comically enough her response to the anger at that comment was to boast about having a male nanny for her children.

So... you apparently are okay with your own kids being victimised, Leadsom? Or maybe you're just full of poo poo.

It was mentioned, but there was so much other stuff going on it kind of got lost. This kind of thing is almost certainly what she meant by a war on political correctness - how dare she not be able to say that the only men that want to spend time with kids are the ones that want to have sex with them? It's obviously a load of poo poo though as evidenced by her having a male nanny presumably not long after.

I'm sure that I read somewhere that they were trying to increase the number of male primary teachers and pre school staff, especially in areas with high numbers of single parent families, as it was beneficial for children (especially young boys) to have experience of positive role models of both genders. I have absolutely no idea where I got that from though so it might be a load of crap but it's obviously a good thing for all kids to see men and women working in different areas as it diminishes the idea of careers being only suitable for one or the other.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 14:56

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

Desiderata posted:

Lucy Powell was supposed to be doing a meet the members "listening" event this morning, she bottled out of it ofcourse. No doubt over "safety" fears, whether real or imagined. But it is true there is a lot of cold fury out there right now and I've talked to quite a few people who were in favour of replacing Corbyn, changing their minds entirely off the back of these undemocratic shenanigans.

There is something funny in the way that every move the PLP take to clamp down on this dissent, causes it to root deeper. Can't wait to see the NEC results.

They'll declare them void if its a momentum sweep.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:07

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

DesperateDan posted:

Part of my work revolves around animal control on farmland/woodland, and a part of that involves hunting. I don't deal with anything larger than rabbit, but I know people who manage fox and deer, and they put a lot of effort into making sure that any culling is recorded, monitored and managed. "Fox hunting with dogs" doesn't tend to do these things. It doesn't wait in a hide to deliver a near certain instantaneous kill, either. It's not about animal control when you create ideal set conditions to encourage growth of the "pest" animal, and they certainly aren't eating them. It doesn't require any great skill. It is the horrific opposite of making clean kills. It was banned for very good reason but sadly the law was never really enforced much at all, and hunting will continue to be associated with a bunch of hooray Henry's torturing the poo poo out of animals.

It's perfectly legal for them to track down a fox with hounds and then execute a clean kill with an appropriate rifle or shotgun load too, which achieves literally everything that they claim fox hunting is useful for and only missing the bit where the fox gets torn up by dogs.

Campaigning for the reversal of that particular law is literally saying "I want the right to attack animals with my dogs for my own personal gratification." There's no other way of spinning it.

hookerbot 5000 posted:

I'm sure that I read somewhere that they were trying to increase the number of male primary teachers and pre school staff, especially in areas with high numbers of single parent families, as it was beneficial for children (especially young boys) to have experience of positive role models of both genders. I have absolutely no idea where I got that from though so it might be a load of crap but it's obviously a good thing for all kids to see men and women working in different areas as it diminishes the idea of careers being only suitable for one or the other.

There's been quite a few things written on it, from awful MRAs complaining about the 'feminization of education :qq:

' to actual academics and educators. The general view from the non-awful people is that having male teachers does help improve the education of boys, whether it's because they're conditioned to be more respectful of male authority or because of the role model idea.

Ideally it shouldn't matter and it should come down to variance in individual teaching styles and more varied options available on the curriculum rather than the gender of the teachers, but statistically at the moment it does seem to matter and the education of boys in this country is suffering at least in part because of it.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:10

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

DesperateDan posted:

Part of my work revolves around animal control on farmland/woodland, and a part of that involves hunting. I don't deal with anything larger than rabbit, but I know people who manage fox and deer, and they put a lot of effort into making sure that any culling is recorded, monitored and managed. "Fox hunting with dogs" doesn't tend to do these things. It doesn't wait in a hide to deliver a near certain instantaneous kill, either. It's not about animal control when you create ideal set conditions to encourage growth of the "pest" animal, and they certainly aren't eating them. It doesn't require any great skill. It is the horrific opposite of making clean kills. It was banned for very good reason but sadly the law was never really enforced much at all, and hunting will continue to be associated with a bunch of hooray Henry's torturing the poo poo out of animals.

Normal hunting is good and necessary seeing as we wiped out all the natural predators. I would also argue that from an animal welfare perspective it's better to hunt them with rifles than reintroduce wolves to kill them.

But fox hunting is incredibly stupid yes.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:12

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

I think I'll mostly go for the Momentum slate, but I might swap out Shawcroft for one of the 'who?' candidates. I found both of them oddly endearing.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:23

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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OwlFancier posted:

Normal hunting is good and necessary seeing as we wiped out all the natural predators. I would also argue that from an animal welfare perspective it's better to hunt them with rifles than reintroduce wolves to kill them.

The one advantage that always gets raised of reintroducing other apex predators is that they leave the open carcasses in the field, which is important for other biodiversity. We could always bring back sky burial if it's that important though. Or just throw out a couple of the thousands of animals that will kill on an industrial scale for the ravens and crows.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:28

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

Hunting with a rifle is cool, good and helps sustain the tiny handful of indigenous lifestyles we haven't completely culturally genocided. Fox hunting is legalised dogfighting.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:39

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OwlFancier posted:

Normal hunting is good and necessary seeing as we wiped out all the natural predators.

there are many more efficient ways to manage a wild animal's population than hunting

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:47

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

The previous Conservative administration successfully controlled feral pigs with non porcine mating plugs.

Tests with training muntjac deer to use condoms have been less encouraging.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 15:53

Sanford: Jun 30, 2007; ...and rarely post!

So who am I meant to be voting for in the NEC elections? I have zero knowledge of the candidates, and the branch meeting to discuss who's who is now cancelled, so...

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:16

qhat: Jul 6, 2015

If a man even so much as looks at someone else's child then he's basically a paedophile imo

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:20

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Sanford posted:

So who am I meant to be voting for in the NEC elections? I have zero knowledge of the candidates, and the branch meeting to discuss who's who is now cancelled, so...

Darth Walrus posted:

Right, let's do this thing.

AKEHURST, Luke
Blairite slate candidate. Horrible lovely eggman who devotes his pitch to whining about the Labour Party being too left-wing. A former PR guy for the arms industry and (literal) paid-up shill for Israel, he achieved mild notoriety for reporting someone on Twitter to the police for inviting him to 'drown in a vat of piss' (although to be honest, I can see how some folks in this thread might see that for the dire threat it is).

BAILEY, Bex
Blairite slate candidate. Former NEC youth representative who claims to be campaigning for greater power and access for the membership. It's unclear how she squares this with the stunts that the PLP have been pulling in the past few weeks, or with her own stated aim to weaken the NEC so MPs have more of a say.

BAXTER, Johanna
Blairite slate candidate. Current NEC member. MSP and former member of the Young Fabians executive. Claimed that Corbyn endorsed bullying by voting against a secret ballot last Tuesday. 'Putting members first' is one of her favourite soundbites - you'll see it scattered throughout articles on her. Much as with Bailey, though, there's little evidence that she practices what she preaches.

BLACK, Ann
Momentum slate candidate. Current NEC member. A grand old lady of the committee. Was part of the disciplinary panel who dealt with Labour MPs after the expenses scandal, and is the face of the Grassroots Alliance faction, an organisation that pushes for greater member involvement in the party. the G famously tweaked Tony Blair's nose in 2006 by putting Walter Wolfgang, the eighty-two-year-old who heckled Jack Straw over the Iraq War, on its slate.

DHANDA, Parmjit
Blairite slate candidate. Former Gloucester MP and under-secretary of state for communities and local government. Only ever Sikh minister in the UK Parliament. Known to be a bit iffy on his expenses, though apparently due to carelessness rather than malice - he kept alternating between overclaiming and underclaiming on his mortgage. Big anti-racism campaigner - the circumstances of his election, in which a local paper said that 'the
people of Gloucester haven�t reached the advanced state of consciousness to accept a foreigner as their MP' before his victory may have had something to do with it.

GALLAGHER, John
Or, more precisely, Dr. John Gerard Gallagher. He's one of the more obscure candidates, without obvious ties to an other faction. We basically don't know anything about him except for his campaign pitch, in which he expounds, somewhat pompously, about his scientific credentials and how they make him a valuable addition to the NEC. On the other hand, his politics do seem pretty Correct - he's anti-austerity and against strikes in the Muddle East.

GUL, Amanat
The other 'who?' candidate. Has the least nominations on the list, a measly four (most of the rest average out at about a hundred or so). A doctor with fairly Correct politics. Uses the word 'compassion' no less than four times in his brief pitch.

IZZARD, Eddie
Eddie Izzard. Self-described 'radical moderate', whatever the hell that means (probably not much). Not a member of a slate, but encourages votes for female candidates of all political stripes.

REEVES, Ellie
Blairite slate candidate. Current NEC member. Trade union lawyer who wants a 'social media code of conduct' (so that's the UKMT out on its ear, then). Married to John Cryer, a serial rebel MP on the Labour left who raised hell during the Blair years, and the sister of Rachel Reeves, a Blairite MP who served as Ed Miliband's Treasury Secretary and infamously said that Labour didn't want to represent unemployed people. Family gatherings probably get a bit awkward.

SHAWCROFT, Christine
Momentum slate candidate. Current NEC member. Suspended from the party for defending the notorious mayor of Tower Hamlets, Lutfur Rahman, both before and after he was found guilty of electoral fraud. Specifically mentions her support for Corbyn in her pitch. Like Black, a big name in the Grassroots Alliance.

WEBBE, Claudia
Momentum slate candidate. Long-time staffer for Ken Livingstone who chewed out Blair in 2007 for his comments on violence in black neighbourhoods. Helped run Operation Trident, the Met's campaign for tackling gun crime in black communities, until it was reshuffled by the Conservatives in 2013 to make it less independent after a few too many criticisms of the police's record on race.

WHEELER, Peter
Blairite slate candidate. Not the chief executive of Leicester Tigers, just some councillor from Salford. A very minor player, with a very uninspiring pitch. Pretty obviously brought in to bring the slate up to six people.

WILLIAMS, Darren
Momentum slate candidate. Current NEC member. Openly backs Corbyn in his pitch. In the lead-up to Margaret Thatcher's funeral, he responded to an article by Tony Blair advising Ed Miliband about the dangers of moving left by speculating about whether there's be room for one more in the coffin.

WILLSMAN, Peter
Momentum slate candidate. Current NEC member. Openly backs Corbyn in his pitch. Another supporter of the social media code of conduct, though possibly for slightly different reasons to Reeves. Or possibly not. Who knows?

WOLFSON, Rhea
Momentum slate candidate. Infamously had to move constituencies to stay on the ballot after Jim Murphy blacklisted her, the only Jewish candidate, because of Momentum's 'anti-Semitism problem'. After that, had to deal with Tessa Jowell being a patronising rear end to her earlier this month.

Long story short, the Momentum slate is the one you want to go for if you like Corbyn, but one of its members, Shawcroft, has baggage.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:20

Nothingtoseehere: Nov 11, 2010

Sanford posted:

So who am I meant to be voting for in the NEC elections? I have zero knowledge of the candidates, and the branch meeting to discuss who's who is now cancelled, so...

Go to the momentum website, they have a slate

EDIT: or read the above effortpost

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:21

Broken Cog: Dec 29, 2009; We're all friends here

Darth Walrus posted:

Long story short, the Momentum slate is the one you want to go for if you like Corbyn, but one of its members, Shawcroft, has baggage.

Wait, Eddie Izzard?

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:24

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

Guavanaut posted:

The previous Conservative administration successfully controlled feral pigs with non porcine mating plugs.

I don't think it's fair to call David Cameron an non-porcine mating plug. :v:

I think there's a bit of pig in him.

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jul 16, 2016

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:26

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Pesky Splinter posted:

I think there's a bit of pig in him.

I thought it was the other way around.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:32

Jrbg: May 20, 2014

Having spent a week in the country minus wifi, and being basically out of the loop, it's safe to say I preferred it that way. Though I'm pretty much caught up what's the craic on the Labour party members thing by the way?

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:37

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

qhat posted:

If a man even so much as looks at someone else's child then he's basically a paedophile imo

A timeless classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCywGhHQMEw

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:54

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

+1 for the Momentum slate. Have I missed anything in British politics today while I was at Tesco?

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:54

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

Broken Cog posted:

Wait, Eddie Izzard?

I thought he was a stand-up comedian?

# ? Jul 16, 2016 16:57

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

So was Al Franken and he's one of the best senators

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:01

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

I voted for the Momentum slate but yeah, regretting the Shawcroft nomination now. In fairness none of the others really leapt out at me and the nods from Akehurst were a good warning.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:02

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

JFairfax posted:

So was Al Franken and he's one of the best senators

Sadly Eddie Izzard has no desire to be as kick-rear end as Al Franken.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:07

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Replace Shawcroft with Izzard. Even if he's got bad politics (which is uncertain?), he should be entertaining on the NEC.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:07

Chocolate Teapot: May 8, 2009

TinTower posted:

Has the thread talked about yesterday's story in the Times?

Wasn't this on a tweet a while ago, along with an associate of hers saying that yes she had employed a male nanny in the past?

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:08

Necrothatcher: Mar 26, 2005

Claudia Webb is my ward councillor and she completely kicks rear end. She's also an amazing public speaker.

I kinda sorta see her as maybe a possible heir to Corbyn someday.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:20

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

My NEC election email ended up in my spam folder, so if anyone's still waiting you might want to check there.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:24

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MonsieurChoc posted:

Replace Shawcroft with Izzard. Even if he's got bad politics (which is uncertain?), he should be entertaining on the NEC.

Love his stuff to bits but he liked Blair. Not necessarily Blairite, don't even know his stance on Corbyn, but he might be tribal.

# ? Jul 16, 2016 17:33

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