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So from the looks of things, we might not see aftermarket RX 480's until mid-August. Asus announced their Strix was coming out mid-August, Sapphire said today in their weekly youtube show that they weren't in production yet and no one else has even mentioned a date yet. The GTX 1060 is launching Tuesday, with aftermarket cards available right away. If no RX 480 maker can release a card until mid-August, then it feels like AMD would have given away the mid-range to Nvidia, with them already giving away the high end with Vega not coming until 2017.
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Jul 18, 2016 05:39
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Yup yup yup I wouldn't poo poo on Polaris so thoroughly, look at previous AMD projections, new series naming scheme, board design, and undervoltage performance and it looks less like they cocked up a uarch and more that GloFo 32nm'ed them. Waiting on Polaris getting 14nm LPC'ed in the 500 series to advocate the new Vega chips.
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Jul 18, 2016 05:39
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Gonkish posted:AMD apparently hates making money. Sorry for double but on phone and it's a pita to edit. I wouldn't place this on AMDs shoulders, this is likely a fab and AIB issue, as they filter out good P10 dies that'll take a lower voltage per clock and work out links in board power delivery design. Reference 480s are not bottlenecked comparatively because those aren't considerations. AIBs seem to want similar power draw at ~1350 boost as ref gets at 1266 (possible with strict binning) and potential 1500mhz headroom (1590 stable has been done with modification to reference design on air IIRC).
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Jul 18, 2016 05:46
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Gonkish posted:AMD apparently hates making money. Just poor business. My laptop finally died, so I was all set to get an rx 480 for my first build, too. Now instead I'm trying to figure out which version of the 1060 to get, since I can't go until August without a computer (any suggestions would be very welcome!).
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Jul 18, 2016 05:55
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FaustianQ posted:I wouldn't poo poo on Polaris so thoroughly, look at previous AMD projections, new series naming scheme, board design, and undervoltage performance and it looks less like they cocked up a uarch and more that GloFo 32nm'ed them. Ill be legitimately happy when I see it (really lol).
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Jul 18, 2016 06:40
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FaustianQ posted:I wouldn't poo poo on Polaris so thoroughly, look at previous AMD projections, new series naming scheme, board design, and undervoltage performance and it looks less like they cocked up a uarch and more that GloFo 32nm'ed them. Consumers can poo poo on Polaris all they want with their lovely MSRP founder edition tactics. $100 (1080) / $70 (1070) premium for early adopters is pretty crappy to do. It's been a couple of months and we still haven't seen any cards go for true MSRP value. What a joke marketing wise. Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 06:43
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Rabid Snake posted:Consumers can poo poo on Polaris all they want with their lovely MSRP founder edition tactics. $100 (1080) / $70 (1070) premium for early adopters is pretty crappy to do. It's been a couple of months and we still haven't seen any cards go for true MSRP value. What a joke marketing wise. You got the companies mixed up I think.
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Jul 18, 2016 06:52
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Zero VGS posted:You got the companies mixed up I think. ugh polaris and pascal the P got me. I guess I'm venting on paying $430 on an AIB nvidia card when it was supposed to be $380 msrp wise. Vega please save us
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Jul 18, 2016 07:20
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At this point I'm considering putting in overtime at work so I can just dehumanize myself and face to Nvidia. I have an R9 290 but I'm getting kind of tired of my computer being a space heater. I live in a relatively small fourth floor apartment so between my PC and my network closet I really could stand to not have a graphics card that runs at 50C idling and 80C under load.
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Jul 18, 2016 08:37
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Kazinsal posted:At this point I'm considering putting in overtime at work so I can just dehumanize myself and face to Nvidia. Hate to break it to you, but my GTX 1070 runs at 75C under load, so it's not that much of an improvement.
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Jul 18, 2016 08:55
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Beautiful Ninja posted:So from the looks of things, we might not see aftermarket RX 480's until mid-August. Asus announced their Strix was coming out mid-August, Sapphire said today in their weekly youtube show that they weren't in production yet and no one else has even mentioned a date yet. The GTX 1060 is launching Tuesday, with aftermarket cards available right away. If no RX 480 maker can release a card until mid-August, then it feels like AMD would have given away the mid-range to Nvidia, with them already giving away the high end with Vega not coming until 2017. Overclockers has the Sapphire 480 Nitro+ with a Lungboy fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 09:29
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Rabid Snake posted:Hate to break it to you, but my GTX 1070 runs at 75C under load, so it's not that much of an improvement. The temperature of the GPU is not the same as the heat generated by the GPU. Your 1070 puts roughly half as much heat into the room as a 290.
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Jul 18, 2016 09:41
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Been having a superb experience with the iChill X4 ... the thing sits on boost like it ain't no thing, and loads around 65 degrees like a champ. Absolute night and day in noise and temperature coming from an R9. vvv I have both cards too; which version of the 1070 do you have because that's absolutely not what I'm experiencing. (Although is there really that much variance between them?) E: Uh, guys, I think it's taken as read that it's dissipating half the watts. Salt n Reba McEntire fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 09:46
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BurritoJustice posted:The temperature of the GPU is not the same as the heat generated by the GPU. Your 1070 puts roughly half as much heat into the room as a 290. Yup just ran it though the same benchmarks; the 290 ran about 5 degrees hotter. Under the same mobo/case conditions Feeling the same temps between the 1070 and the 290. I have both cards you want me to test any other tests? Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 09:56
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Rabid Snake posted:Yup just ran it though the same benchmarks; You don't need to test anything. 99% of the power consumed by a graphics card is converted to heat. So the 290 pumps out 300w of heat and the 1070 pumps out 150w of heat.
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Jul 18, 2016 10:04
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BurritoJustice posted:You don't need to test anything. 99% of the power consumed by a graphics card is converted to heat. So the 290 pumps out 300w of heat and the 1070 pumps out 150w of heat. Feels like the temperature does run hotter by 5 degrees running on high on overwatch on 1440p But drat not by that much? Wanna see a youtube video or something
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Jul 18, 2016 10:06
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Its not linear when it comes to power usage
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Jul 18, 2016 10:08
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Rabid Snake posted:ugh polaris and pascal Yeah but none of those cards were ever going to be $380 once you add in after-market coolers, etc. Rabid Snake posted:Feels like the temperature does run hotter by 5 degrees running on high on overwatch on 1440p But drat not by that much? 5'C is a lot, though -- like on a "human comfort" scale? I mean among everything else said. The metric system makes people think weird 
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Jul 18, 2016 11:21
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Oc UK is showing the 480s as shipping Aug 5th now. I'm sure that will end up being wrong too. At this point we might have the 1060 out for a month, with all its partner boards, and still no AIB 480s. AMD really loves shooting themselves in the foot.
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Jul 18, 2016 12:30
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Gonkish posted:Oc UK is showing the 480s as shipping Aug 5th now. Where does it say that? If I hover over the pre-order link it still says 22nd. Also, they are cranking the price on the 480s, the Nitro+ will be £259 with the Nitro at £249. e: ah, standard Nitro is showing 5th, Nitro+ still 22nd. OCUK staffer saying 22nd looking very unlikely. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 12:38
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Watching goons struggle with the difference between heat and temperature is awesome.  Also; still can't find a non-FE 1080 anywhere except Amazon, for hilarious $200 markups.
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Lungboy posted:e: ah, standard Nitro is showing 5th, Nitro+ still 22nd. OCUK staffer saying 22nd looking very unlikely. Gibbo also posted the (non-finalized) clocks for Sapphires cards: Nitro OC: 1306mhz (+3%) Nitro+ OC: 1342mhz (+6%) 
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Jul 18, 2016 13:15
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MrYenko posted:Watching goons struggle with the difference between heat and temperature is awesome. Yeah that's the other thing - the temperature the chip runs at is pretty unimportant. It's the rate at which heat has to be dispersed from the device to MAINTAIN that temperature that matters. A chip that runs at 80'c with a passive cooler is going to generate a lot less heat than one that runs at 65'c with a huge blower/water radiator.
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Probably the best thread to post this Sony on PS4 neo 4k support lmbo e: better image host Truga fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 13:37
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Enigma posted:Just poor business. My laptop finally died, so I was all set to get an rx 480 for my first build, too. Now instead I'm trying to figure out which version of the 1060 to get, since I can't go until August without a computer (any suggestions would be very welcome!). You could just use the integrated graphics until the board you want is available, assuming you aren't building around x99 or AMD FX (lolololol).
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1060s are released at 2pm BST tomorrow on OCUK. I'd hope some benchmarks would go up before then. e: The Powercolor Devil 480 is up for pre-order on OCUK at £249, that's cheaper than the new Nitro+ price (as of tomorrow) and I think the boost speed is faster too. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 14:24
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Rabid Snake posted:I guess I'm venting on paying $430 on an AIB nvidia card when it was supposed to be $380 msrp wise. Vega please save us This was never true though. Any after-market card with an after-market cooler was always above MSRP. And it also sounds like you are blaming NVidia for what ASUS/Gigabyte/EVGA charge for their cards, but NVidia has nothing to do with that. I guess it kinda sucks that they eliminated the cheapo line that they'd put out as "Reference" but those were all crappy anyway.
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If Nvidia had any respect for their consumers they would have just left the MSRP out of their marketing materials entirely. It was to their benefit to have a bunch of FPS per dollar graphs and reviews based on a non-existent MSRP rather than a FE price that was significantly higher.
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Lockback posted:This was never true though. Any after-market card with an after-market cooler was always above MSRP. And it also sounds like you are blaming NVidia for what ASUS/Gigabyte/EVGA charge for their cards, but NVidia has nothing to do with that. Naaaaaaaaaaaa Nvidia introducing two MSRPs effectively made the lower MSRP made up. It really is their fault, with a little blame to the AIB's for not being "ethical". Look at MSI prices for lols, there is no way they'd tried to pull that crap if they weren't riding off of FE pricing. EVGA, for all I nit pick on them, have the only 1080's at what we would imagine pricing should be like. Of course they realized the error of their ways and reversed their attitude for the later 1070 release. It is what it is and I am sure we will see cards closer to MSRP as time goes on when supply increases and they have to compete with each other. But this is purely nvidia-enabled price gouging right off the bat. I was very pleased to hear Nvidia is at least half way backtracking with the 1060 release. For as much as I'm deeply disappointed with how the 480 works as a product, they released it at MSRP at a performance level we were expecting. (For now, it remains to be seen if the 4gb price point was a marketing gimmick, but nonetheless). And on the same vein, the 1070 and 1080 are worth the money they wanted to charge for them even though its more than a little rich, but they wanted to advertise at a price we'd much happier swallow. Just becausue Nvidia has nothing to do with AIB pricing after the fact and have their hands clean and even if it truly was absolutely not the intention at all to have pricing gravitate around the FE MSRPs - it happened, and its nearly obvious it was going to happen (in hindsight, of course) and even then tons of people guessed it would happen the moment that information dropped at the press release.
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Truga posted:Sony on PS4 neo 4k support lmbo Checkerboard rendering: http://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vault/gdc2016/Presentations/El_Mansouri_Jalal_Rendering_Rainbow_Six.pdf Rendering half the pixels alternately by using 2xMSAA on a 1/4th resolution target, using a boatload of tricks to make it look better than half-res upscaled images. Quite some mad science going on there. Edit: The MSAA thing is really neat. It means they're running at closer to the performance as rendering to 1/4th the resolution + 2xMSAA, rather than 1/2 resolution. Also fits much better in the GPU pipeline. I'd love to see a visual comparison between this and 4K. Difference should be obvious, but it should still look pretty good. Hiowf fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 16:11
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Skuto posted:Checkerboard rendering:
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:it's a less complicated (cheaper) way of doing what doom 2016 did for the bone and ps4, you're essentially getting a 1440p image's detail out of two 1080p images Got a reference to DOOM's thing?
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Are all the 1060s releasing tomorrow or just the FE? Given what we know about the 1070/1080 should I just get the FE or wait around and see what EVGA or someone is up to?
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Skuto posted:Got a reference to DOOM's thing?
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mango sentinel posted:Are all the 1060s releasing tomorrow or just the FE? The fairly solid word on the street is that for the 1060 everything is releasing all at once and FE cards will be sold strictly through Nvidia and in limited quantities. That's good and a departure from the 1070/1080 release in many ways, however that doesnt tell us anything about actual pricing or availability... but we can be pretty sure there is actual stock available on day one (there is at least one picture of this too! wow!) even if it does sell out in one second.
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Skuto posted:Got a reference to DOOM's thing? I only see references to dynamic resolution scaling for DOOM. This checkerboard rendering stuff is way neater. In stationary scenes you're going to get approximately 4k res, and with a lot of motion (where you can't see details anyway) it will be closer to 1440p. Shading runs at ~1/4 rate, everything else at 1/2 rate, and temporal AA stitches it to together to a 4k image. Note that on average it's going to look better than 1440p, which was the point of the original slide, I believe. quote:you're essentially getting a 1440p image's detail out of two 1080p images Well, they're doing 1080p 2xMSAA renders, with the extra pixels from the MSAA recovered. So it's closer to stitching together 2x1440p renders to get a 2160p one, for the cost of running 1080p with 2xMSAA and some extra filters. So neat. I can see why Sony goes: talk to us and use this stuff! Hiowf fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Meanwhile, I am trying to wrap my head around this: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-custom-model-round-up/ It's my first time building a system, so my head is spinning a little bit. Any advice on how to even approach choosing between reference, FE, and the array of custom models?
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Enigma posted:Meanwhile, I am trying to wrap my head around this: edit: Oh yeah and what Ninkobei said, make sure it fits your case.
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Enigma posted:Meanwhile, I am trying to wrap my head around this: Honestly most of the cards will be limited by the actual chip rather than temps, so find the best priced/best looking card you can and go with that. Getting one with a huuuge 3-fan heatsink is the best bet if you want the quietest gaming. Make sure it will fit your case.
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