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Antti posted:Again, not impossible, but stupid, ridiculous, implausible, etc. As stupid, ridiculous and implausible as appointing Boris Johnson foreign secretary and abolishing the climate change department?
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waitwhatno posted:As stupid, ridiculous and implausible as appointing Boris Johnson foreign secretary and abolishing the climate change department? No, even more stupid, ridiculous, and implausible. In comparison those are pretty garden variety stupid. As I was trying to point out in that post, I am not saying this poo poo can't happen, because so much poo poo is happening even as we speak, it's that there's no "plan" for it because for the past 60-70 years just making those plans would've been impossible, which is completely separate from something like "the government didn't have a Brexit plan." I don't plan for my mother suddenly deciding to axe murder me when I go see her. If I showed up carrying a gun and a suit of armour she'd be upset. If my mother was flipping a coin to decide whether to axe murder me and I was made aware of it, then, yes, I'd tool up.
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Yinlock posted:yes let's make energy, industry and business the same department, how could this possibly go wrong 
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I too have played Tropico 5
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Antti posted:"In case of Gay Black Hitler, break glass" look Chuka has his problems but I don't think he's Hitler
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Antti posted:Again, not impossible, but stupid, ridiculous, implausible, etc.
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Don't worry guys, Australia to the rescue: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36818055 Australia makes up about 0.5% of UK's imports and 1.2% of exports (same as Poland), so it's totally going to make Brexit work!
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They could adopt Australia's immigration model and send all immigrants to some godforsaken island... wait.
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Antti posted:They could adopt Australia's immigration model and send all immigrants to some godforsaken island... wait. Finally a use for the Falklands
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mobby_6kl posted:Don't worry guys, Australia to the rescue: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36818055 I can't wait for Australia to be providing 100% of the UK's import and export market via air traffic, it's not like we needed that environment thing anyway
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Angepain posted:I can't wait for Australia to be providing 100% of the UK's import and export market via air traffic, it's not like we needed that environment thing anyway Instead of french cheeses, iberic ham and belgian chocolate, I guess you guys will have to make do with uhhhh snake jerky and kangaroo meat? I have no idea what people eat in Australia but I'm guessing it contains poison.
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Pochoclo posted:Instead of french cheeses, iberic ham and belgian chocolate, I guess you guys will have to make do with uhhhh snake jerky and kangaroo meat? I have no idea what people eat in Australia but I'm guessing it contains poison. Mutton owns.
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Pochoclo posted:Instead of french cheeses, iberic ham and belgian chocolate, I guess you guys will have to make do with uhhhh snake jerky and kangaroo meat? I have no idea what people eat in Australia but I'm guessing it contains poison. we'll just open the box and it'll be full of poisonous spiders. the spiders immediately run to all corners of the room and out the window and begin wildly reproducing immediately. little note at the bottom reading "see how you like it, fuckos"
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Pochoclo posted:Instead of french cheeses, iberic ham and belgian chocolate, I guess you guys will have to make do with uhhhh snake jerky and kangaroo meat? I have no idea what people eat in Australia but I'm guessing it contains poison. Pretty sure they exclusively eat BBQ shrimp.
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A lot of people here are assuming, incorrectly, that the eu is some monolithic powerful entity rather than being a shambling mess of countries who will never come to an agreement about how to handle brexit and is on the verge of complete collapse themselves. sassassin posted:This is the kind of alarmist rubbish these threads could really do without. The insane 'sky is falling' rhetoric is really tiresome. Look at the climate thread, there's just a lot of posters who mistake hopeless depression for knowing what the hell they are talking about.
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tsa posted:A lot of people here are assuming, incorrectly, that the eu is some monolithic powerful entity rather than being a shambling mess of countries who will never come to an agreement about how to handle brexit and is on the verge of complete collapse themselves. That's funny, because they seemed to be pretty clearly united on the fact that no "cherry picking" would be allowed.
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tsa posted:A lot of people here are assuming, incorrectly, that the eu is some monolithic powerful entity rather than being a shambling mess of countries who will never come to an agreement about how to handle brexit and is on the verge of complete collapse themselves. The EU has been 'on the verge of complete collapse' for years now. If it wasn't over Brexit, then it was over the refugee issue or the eurocrisis. But it will endure, because really, what are you going to replace it with? Also, the EU being disunited over how to handle Brexit is actually bad for the UK. Britain needs a deal, and needs it within 2 years of article 50 being triggered, or its ability to export will be sharply curtailed ( WTO warns on tortuous Brexit trade talks, FT) and tariffs will have to be imposed. If you have an EU which cannot reach common ground between its 27 member states, who need to reach a qualified majority for the exit deal, and where in all likelihood everyone will have a veto on a post-Brexit trade agreement, that means the chances of getting that deal is lower than when you have agreement on the other side.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:The EU has been 'on the verge of complete collapse' for years now. If it wasn't over Brexit, then it was over the refugee issue or the eurocrisis. But it will endure, because really, what are you going to replace it with? First the UK needs to disentangle 40 years laws made while they were in the EU, which could prove a bit of a challenge.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:The EU has been 'on the verge of complete collapse' for years now. If it wasn't over Brexit, then it was over the refugee issue or the eurocrisis. But it will endure, because really, what are you going to replace it with? And don't forget that in the likely scenario where the UK and EU haven't reached a deal two years after Article 50 is invoked, the UK gets unceremoniously booted with no deal at all unless the EU unanimously decides to extend negotiations.
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W-w-wait a m-minute here. Why this is starting to sound bad? But my Brexit loving friend assures me it's all going to be fine. In fact he doesn't see why this business should even take 2 years. According to him, by a mechanism whose details he was slightly hazy about, we could pull out in just 6 months if we wanted too.
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Deptfordx posted:W-w-wait a m-minute here. Why this is starting to sound bad? Yeah it's a piece of cake to sort through 10,000 EU regulations and decide which ones should and shouldn't be kept by Brexit Britain while simultaneously negotiating with a 27-member bloc over which of those regulations will and won't affect your trade with them.
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vyelkin posted:Yeah it's a piece of cake to sort through 10,000 EU regulations and decide which ones should and shouldn't be kept by Brexit Britain while simultaneously negotiating with a 27-member bloc over which of those regulations will and won't affect your trade with them. Don't forget the crowner that Britain has very few experienced negotiators because (surprise!) while part of the EU, all trade deals went through the EU instead of Britain.
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vyelkin posted:Yeah it's a piece of cake to sort through 10,000 EU regulations and decide which ones should and shouldn't be kept by Brexit Britain while simultaneously negotiating with a 27-member bloc over which of those regulations will and won't affect your trade with them. Phew, that's a relief to hear, because I was thinking it was going to be catastrophic. I'll sleep easy tonight!
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Pureauthor posted:Don't forget the crowner that Britain has very few experienced negotiators because (surprise!) while part of the EU, all trade deals went through the EU instead of Britain. The fact that they need to hire negotiators from the EU to negotiate an exit from the EU (an exit that was caused by people having the idea that the UK was giving too many jobs to EU immigrants) would be funny if it all wasn't so goddamn depressing.
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I look forward to the action-packed spy movies about undercover EU negotiators pretending to work for the UK while secretly weakening article 4, subsection 5 of the April 7 draft agreement to not include the dairy industry
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Angepain posted:I look forward to the action-packed spy movies about undercover EU negotiators pretending to work for the UK while secretly weakening article 4, subsection 5 of the April 7 draft agreement to not include the dairy industry In all honesty the easiest way to destroy the UK is to just let it be.
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vyelkin posted:And don't forget that in the likely scenario where the UK and EU haven't reached a deal two years after Article 50 is invoked, the UK gets unceremoniously booted with no deal at all unless the EU unanimously decides to extend negotiations. The best part is, it's not "two years" It's "within two years" People seem to miss that within bit.
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Rookersh posted:The best part is, it's not "two years" How exactly are people missing that? It means that there is a maximum period of two years, but the formulation retains the option of finishing negotiations earlier than that. It doesn't mean the EU could just say "lol UK" after a year. This ensures that the withdrawing country can decide to withdraw sooner if it is satisfied with the progress, not the other way round. 
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Pochoclo posted:The fact that they need to hire negotiators from the EU to negotiate an exit from the EU (an exit that was caused by people having the idea that the UK was giving too many jobs to EU immigrants) would be funny if it all wasn't so goddamn depressing. It's not quite that bad. Remember, a lot of those EU trade negotiators? British guys. We were part of the EU (technically still are) and had our guys doing their part in all EU stuff including trade negotiations.
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feedmegin posted:It's not quite that bad. Remember, a lot of those EU trade negotiators? British guys. We were part of the EU (technically still are) and had our guys doing their part in all EU stuff including trade negotiations. I don't think relying on employees of the EU to help you get out of the EU is going to be a very solid strategy.
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Ashcans posted:I don't think relying on employees of the EU to help you get out of the EU is going to be a very solid strategy.
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Ashcans posted:Well then I guess it's fine, assuming that all those people currently working for the EU are going to quit their jobs and return to Britain to spend two years undoing everything they have worked for previously. But don't they want to be sovereign and freeeeee?!
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Ashcans posted:Well then I guess it's fine, assuming that all those people currently working for the EU are going to quit their jobs and return to Britain to spend two years undoing everything they have worked for previously. Well they quite likely no longer have the right to stay in Brussels and/or work for the EU once we leave the EU, and people like to be paid money for their skillset, so...yes? Some of them, anyway. It's not literally 'herp derp no British person has ever done a trade negotiation in the last 4 decades', is all.
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feedmegin posted:Well they quite likely no longer have the right to stay in Brussels and/or work for the EU once we leave the EU, and people like to be paid money for their skillset, so...yes? Apparently they can all still work for the EU, but they're unlikely to have a real career or to be given any politically sensitive, i.e. important, dossier to handle anymore. I posted an FT article a while back where one British Commission employee was quoted as saying, on the one hand he could work for the UK government, which had just destroyed everything he ever worked for, and on the other hand, he could go and earn some real money in the City.
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That'll show those plebs they made the wrong decision, go to the City
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call to action posted:That'll show those plebs they made the wrong decision, go to the City Well yes typically taking a hard-earned skill set and using it to make lots of money is a good consolation prize to your life's work being ruined.
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Morrow posted:Well yes typically taking a hard-earned skill set and using it to make lots of money is a good consolation prize to your life's work being ruined. I thought all the City people were crying about how this will destroy them? Sounds like it's going well down there then. And can we take a second and think about all the poor British bureaucrats' careers who were destroyed by American independence?
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call to action posted:I thought all the City people were crying about how this will destroy them? Sounds like it's going well down there then.  I'm sure highly educated, highly paid and highly mobile people in the City will be the only people who will feel any negative consequences, especially since they are far less equipped to either adapt or move on compared to many of the people who will continue to have no perspective, in or out.
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feedmegin posted:Well they quite likely no longer have the right to stay in Brussels and/or work for the EU once we leave the EU, and people like to be paid money for their skillset, so...yes? Some of them, anyway. It's not literally 'herp derp no British person has ever done a trade negotiation in the last 4 decades', is all. Britain is going to be free to hire them, sure, but that's already true of negotiators all over the world. They can pay money to get britons who work for the EU just like they could hire ones that currently work in the US or Singapore or anywhere else. But none of those people are British negotiators now, or at all obligated to join up. If they lose their ability to work in the EU (which I would say is not a sure thing, I imagine that the EU has an interest in protecting skilled professionals that are already living/working there) they can just as easily take their experience and knowledge of the EU to any other country that is negotiating trade deals with the EU rather than going back to Britain. The point is that they don't have anyone really qualified in the current service right now and they are going to have to headhunt a whole bunch of people from somewhere to do this. Even if they got every single briton working as a negotiator right now, it's not going to cover the 300 people they're supposed to need for the task.
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feedmegin posted:Well they quite likely no longer have the right to stay in Brussels and/or work for the EU once we leave the EU, and people like to be paid money for their skillset, so...yes? Some of them, anyway. It's not literally 'herp derp no British person has ever done a trade negotiation in the last 4 decades', is all. I highly doubt this because they are skilled professionals. People from outside the EU move to, live in, and work in the EU all the time. It would probably be very easy for the EU to grant work permits to any Brits currently employed in EU bureaucracy, and let them continue their work if they enjoy it and don't want to help out a government that agreed to ruin their life's work.
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