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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Question for Nats (and non-Nats of course). If the UK government was to devolve basically everything except defence, and some useless royal family bullshit, while also negotiating full EEA status for the UK. Would you be happy with that as a constitutional compromise for the foreseeable future? I think that I would be tempted.
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Jul 15, 2016 17:43
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keep punching joe posted:Question for Nats (and non-Nats of course). No. It's remain in the EU or nothing.
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Jul 15, 2016 18:28
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I think the Theresa May visit was because Scotland had previously been excluded from all EU negotiations and now apparently we've been guaranteed a place at the table? EDIT: Oh also apparently this? "May: Article 50 will only be triggered when there is a UK-wide approach" http://www.itv.com/news/story/2016-07-15/may-article-50-will-only-be-triggered-when-there-is-a-uk-wide-approach/ Jedit posted:No. It's remain in the EU or nothing. Kinda this, yeah.
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Jul 15, 2016 18:45
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The purpose of today is to tie the SNP into the process of Brexit. It's to prevent them sitting on the sidelines complaining about what's been done to them and Scotland.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:52
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I'm skeptical it will work tbh
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Jul 15, 2016 22:55
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They do love a good moan.
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Jul 15, 2016 22:59
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I think it's less that and more that they prefer the narrative of the scots unwillingly being dragged out of the EU, as it gives them a good front to push for indyref2 I say that and I want Scotland to be independent, but I can also recognise that this is probably the narrative they're going to stick with even if they do get a decent place at the negotiation table. either they'll set demands so outrageous that Westminister will have no choice but to say gently caress off (at which point, indyref2), or they'll actually extract favourable concessions from westminister (which will serve to placate them for all of a five minutes until they find the next excuse). Either that, or I'm getting extremely cynical 
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Jul 15, 2016 23:25
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We will have to wait and see what agreements are going to be made between the EU and the UK when the Scottish Government have a seat at the negotiations table. I no doubt the question going to be asked would be keeping Scotland as part of the EU through a reverse-Greenland effect which won't happen as many parts of the EU have stated and as well as Philip Hammond saying a separate EU deal for Scotland isn't going to happen unless they go Independent which the EU have stated that they would prepare for. The EEA is also going to be a big factor as well. The EU have stated they will not budge on limiting free movement while being part of the single market as they have told Switzerland recently. The Scottish Government are for free movement where as the UK government are divided on the issue with most brexiters wanting the unrealistic option to happen which the EU will just laugh at. The UK also imports a lot more then it does export so the UK government choosing the limit of free movement and not joining the single market would be shooting themselves in the foot again which would be reasonably give more weight for the Scottish Government to go with calling another referendum. Then again who knows what will happen during negotiations.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:34
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The Scottish government can 'call for' a referendum but they can't 'call' one: only Westminster legislation can do that. If the UK doesn't come up with a deal that involves free movement with the EU and there is a second referendum, Scots will be asked to choose between free movement to and from the eu, or free movement to and from the UK. Would be an interesting choice.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:38
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build a wall
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Jul 16, 2016 00:46
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Pissflaps posted:If the UK doesn't come up with a deal that involves free movement with the EU and there is a second referendum, Scots will be asked to choose between free movement to and from the eu, or free movement to and from the UK. Would be an interesting choice. It would be. It doesn't really fit most classical political pigeon holing; it's "post-ideological" in a way, since no one is disagreeing about whether free movement is good, they just disagree where the boundary on that movement should be. I could be convinced otherwise, but from this angle it looks a lot like the triumph of identity politics over all other forms of political association: the key question, perhaps the only question, is are you Scottish and British or Scottish and European?
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Jul 16, 2016 01:16
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How's Ireland/NI going to work after Brexit in terms of free movement? I guess Scotland/rUK would be the same in the event of independence?
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Jul 16, 2016 11:19
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bitterandtwisted posted:How's Ireland/NI going to work after Brexit in terms of free movement? I guess Scotland/rUK would be the same in the event of independence? Pretty sure they promised there would be an open border with the south, but that they would also simultaneously somehow stop free movement with the rest of the EU. Whats to stop an Eastern European EU migrant from perfectly legally flying to Ireland and strolling across the border, I do not know.
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Jul 16, 2016 12:23
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marktheando posted:Whats to stop an Eastern European EU migrant from perfectly legally flying to Ireland and strolling across the border, I do not know. To be fair. Who the fucks wants to live in the UK now when you land in Ireland?
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Jul 16, 2016 13:11
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Extreme0 posted:To be fair. Who the fucks wants to live in the UK now when you land in Ireland? It's true. Turns out all we had to do to stop immigrants wanting to come here was to destroy everything good about Britain.
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Jul 16, 2016 13:27
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marktheando posted:It's true. Turns out all we had to do to stop immigrants wanting to come here was to destroy everything good about Britain. A simple and efficient solution.
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Jul 16, 2016 17:59
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Tomorrow's National headline claims the SNP are announcing a new currency for an independent Scotland.
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Jul 17, 2016 02:05
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Coohoolin posted:Tomorrow's National headline claims the SNP are announcing a new currency for an independent Scotland. Not quite as concrete as that yet, but an interesting development. The Herald are reporting that "senior SNP MPs are reviewing the party’s currency position and a report is expected to be issued to First Minister Nicola Sturgeon"
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Jul 17, 2016 02:17
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marktheando posted:Pretty sure they promised there would be an open border with the south, but that they would also simultaneously somehow stop free movement with the rest of the EU.
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Jul 17, 2016 03:12
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Wouldn't it be better to adopt the euro as the currency as opposed to a new scottish currency, given the ostensible reason the SNP are pushing for indyref2 is due to wanting to remain in the uk
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Jul 17, 2016 03:17
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tithin posted:Wouldn't it be better to adopt the euro as the currency as opposed to a new scottish currency, given the ostensible reason the SNP are pushing for indyref2 is due to wanting to remain in the uk At least in the short term, after independence, there would be some economic volatility and it would be useful to be able to do some currency manipulation. Probably doubtful if the EU would let them keep it after joining though.
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Jul 17, 2016 06:48
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Coohoolin posted:Tomorrow's National headline claims the SNP are announcing a new currency for an independent Scotland. Shortbread is not legal tender. Meanwhile, here's some fun news. quote:The leader of UKIP in Scotland has said his party is full of "total tossers". Jedit fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Jul 17, 2016 |
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Jul 17, 2016 11:59
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If there's one thing Kippers hate more than immigrants, it's each other
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Jul 17, 2016 12:31
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tithin posted:Wouldn't it be better to adopt the euro as the currency as opposed to a new scottish currency, given the ostensible reason the SNP are pushing for indyref2 is due to wanting to remain in the uk You need a separate currency to begin with to join the Euro. Plus it helps being in control of a currency, one that might be pegged to the Pound for smoother transition till we feel comfortable enough to unpeg it. Anos posted:At least in the short term, after independence, there would be some economic volatility and it would be useful to be able to do some currency manipulation. Probably doubtful if the EU would let them keep it after joining though. We need to make a commitment to join the Euro but we can voluntarily keep our currency due to ERM II being one we can't be forced into till we specifically state that we would join it. A few EU member states haven't joined the euro because of it and the only way they will join the Euro is that the EU forces six EU states to change into the euro by adding something new. The Process is the same so choosing the euro is optional despite it being a commitment to use it eventually. When? Well it's been years so far for the likes of Sweden and they are not planning on using the euro anytime soon because they think it's unstable atm. Jedit posted:Shortbread is not legal tender. Should be. It should be.
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Jul 17, 2016 13:59
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Jedit posted:Shortbread is not legal tender. Finding myself in agreement with David Coburn, what is the world coming to?
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Jul 17, 2016 14:13
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big scary monsters posted:Finding myself in agreement with David Coburn, what is the world coming to? Be glad for the old cliché that even a broken clock is right twice a day. Or once a day if it's digital. But the point being it is right sometimes despite being absolutely wrong for the rest of the day.
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Jul 17, 2016 14:41
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big scary monsters posted:Finding myself in agreement with David Coburn, what is the world coming to? You don't have to agree with him, he only said "some".
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Jul 17, 2016 15:11
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Coburn is gay, isn't he? I wouldn't be surprised if he'd been on the receiving end of some nastiness or bigotry from some other party members.
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Jul 17, 2016 16:28
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Pack it in unionailures, Sabaton have thrown in with indy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi7xBe5-M8k My god is that cheesy as all hell. I love the awkward reenactment "battle" footage in the background.
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Jul 18, 2016 15:00
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Coohoolin posted:Pack it in unionailures, Sabaton have thrown in with indy. I cringed so hard it caused me physical discomfort.
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Jul 18, 2016 15:26
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forkboy84 posted:I cringed so hard it caused me physical discomfort. I call that 'rupturing a cringe pipe'
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Jul 18, 2016 15:54
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Almost as good as when Grave Digger sung about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb93QbUGcL0 Germany of course having more actual representation in the Scotland/England tiff. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 16:05
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Since we've turned ScotPol into "bad power metal: The Thread", here's a really bad song by some Swedes, Lost Horizon It's called Highlander (The One) so I've decided that's enough of a connection to Scotland to warrant posting here. Is doing a 12 minute "epic" song about The Highlander better or worse than an entire album about The Silmarillion? And why is that I will tolerate black metal bands referencing Tolkein but instantly hate every other song that references his works?
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Jul 18, 2016 16:47
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forkboy84 posted:Since we've turned ScotPol into "bad power metal: The Thread", here's a really bad song by some Swedes, Lost Horizon Are you saying you hate They're Taking the Hobbits to Isengard?
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Jul 18, 2016 16:49
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Reveilled posted:Are you saying you hate They're Taking the Hobbits to Isengard? I should've clarified, I meant every other metal song that references his work. Obviously I have an enduring fondness for They're Taking The Hobbits to Isengard.
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Jul 18, 2016 16:54
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forkboy84 posted:Since we've turned ScotPol into "bad power metal: The Thread", here's a really bad song by some Swedes, Lost Horizon I used to love Lost Horizon when I was younger. Thanks for this wee nostalgia trip!
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Jul 18, 2016 16:54
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forkboy84 posted:I should've clarified, I meant every other metal song that references his work. Obviously I have an enduring fondness for They're Taking The Hobbits to Isengard. How do you feel about the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins?
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Jul 18, 2016 18:22
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Coohoolin posted:Pack it in unionailures, Sabaton have thrown in with indy. This is honestly awesome  EDIT: This is the closest song I have to support Scottish independence :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6nXQTrfQI. Honestly though, Gloryhammer itself is all about Scotland. CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Jul 19, 2016 00:28
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Thinking about the implications of brexit, are there any real life examples of "federalised" immigration policies, or any interesting pieces that talk about something similar? Not that it would placate the SNP, and I suspect the immigration "debate" is so toxic right now that no PM will want to wade in with much more than platitudes, but separate immigration policies in Scotland and england might be technically possible, if obviously extremely complicated. I'm curious if there's (m)any practical mechanisms that already exist and could be applied to a Scottish context; for example, visas allowing the right to work in one state/region/place of a common travel area (whether national or inter-national) but not another, or if such a thing is too logistically problematic to bother with.
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Jul 21, 2016 14:46
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Niric posted:Thinking about the implications of brexit, are there any real life examples of "federalised" immigration policies, or any interesting pieces that talk about something similar? Not that it would placate the SNP, and I suspect the immigration "debate" is so toxic right now that no PM will want to wade in with much more than platitudes, but separate immigration policies in Scotland and england might be technically possible, if obviously extremely complicated. I'm curious if there's (m)any practical mechanisms that already exist and could be applied to a Scottish context; for example, visas allowing the right to work in one state/region/place of a common travel area (whether national or inter-national) but not another, or if such a thing is too logistically problematic to bother with. In Jersey any EU citizen (including British) can enter and work a job classified as "permit free" - on https://www.gov.je there are 136 permit free vacancies compared to 179 which require a work permit. Jersey isn't in the EU but does have tariff-free agreements with the EU. In other words they actually do get free movement of capital but not free movement of people, although the treaties which govern this are linked to the UK as opposed to the EU. So when the UK leaves the EU Jersey also loses free movement of capital, although still governs their immigration policies seperate to the UK. Which means Scotland needs to become a Crown Dependency, except not of the UK because they won't be in the UK. A dependency of the Netherlands or Spain perhaps.
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Jul 21, 2016 15:49
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