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Snowglobe of Doom posted:They're starting to go that way already, which is why that recent Transformers film suddenly shifted all the action to China for the second half of the film and why a bunch of other recent films have been co-produced by Chinese backers. And there are censorship rules such as: Promotion of bad habits including smoking, drinking, gambling, obscenity, drug abuse, sex, violence, criminal activity, etc Anything not based in scientific fact including ghosts, religion, time travel, the supernatural, superstition, etc Criticism of anyone in power, the army, the government, Chinese culture, etc
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Milo Yiannopopopolous got in a Twitter fight with Leslie Jones from the new Ghostbusters and it's super gross, hella racist, and makes me feel really bad for her. Milo's bullshit wasn't the worst but the people who flocked to the drama made it way more depressing and extremely inappropriately racist. Way over the line, even for my usual tastes of internet tomfoolery. This summer feels like the US is going to explode if people can't find a way to start treating each other better and stop fighting like slavering dogs over petty bullshit.
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natetimm posted:Milo Yiannopopopolous got in a Twitter fight with Leslie Jones from the new Ghostbusters and it's super gross, hella racist, and makes me feel really bad for her. Milo's bullshit wasn't the worst but the people who flocked to the drama made it way more depressing and extremely inappropriately racist. Way over the line, even for my usual tastes of internet tomfoolery. This summer feels like the US is going to explode if people can't find a way to start treating each other better and stop fighting like slavering dogs over petty bullshit. I agree.
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It sucks that some people don't really understand internet troll culture and this will end up being seen as something even worse than it is. There's a group of people bound and determined to constantly say the stupidest, most edgy and offensive poo poo possible wherever they can get away with it and it's just making things way worse. They happily troll any side of a social conflict for the reaction and it's such a small payoff for the immense tidal wave of bullshit they're going to end up causing overall. There's going to be more censorship, witch hunts, and extreme partisan crap because of them and they will emerge relatively unscathed for their trouble. Lowest loving common denominator loving it up for everyone.
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there are legit reasons to hate Leslie Jones in this movie but they don't have to do with hating her because she's blackDirk Squarejaw posted:CineD must be leaking to this thread. The deniers are coming out of the woodwork.
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Y-Hat posted:but you see Ghostbusters made more money in its opening weekend than Angry Birds, and it should be on pace to make more than it domestically. furthermore *large stain in front of pants grows bigger* Well it did, but Angry Birds also brought in $75 million in China and Ghostbusters won't get any of that action. Angry Birds' production budget was also only 50% of what Sony paid for Ghostbusters
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Well it did, but Angry Birds also brought in $75 million in China and Ghostbusters won't get any of that action. Angry Birds' production budget was also only 50% of what Sony paid for Ghostbusters Angry Birds succeeded overseas, while Ghostbusters has less momentum over there and less access to foreign markets too
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Jul 19, 2016 06:47
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NutritiousSnack posted:Angry Birds succeeded overseas, while Ghostbusters has less momentum over there and less access to foreign markets too It probably also has a much lower nostalgia factor in many foreign countries .... not that the nostalgia factor has been all that beneficial in the US. Edit: I'm seeing a whole bunch of positive word of mouth on Facebook, lots of women talking it up. Dunno how widespread that is or how much it'll help the film in the coming weeks.
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I haven't seen one mention of anyone on my Facebook feed talking about it. Usually there's at least a few "we're at new movie" posts on Friday or the weekend of the big release.
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I can't believe people are still using the, "How about you see the movie before criticizing it!?" argument. It's a Fieg movie about ghost fart and queef jokes featuring an almost entirely ad-libbed script. That'd be damning enough even without the trailers, clips and leaked script.
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natetimm posted:Milo Yiannopopopolous got in a Twitter fight with Leslie Jones from the new Ghostbusters and it's super gross, hella racist, and makes me feel really bad for her. Milo's bullshit wasn't the worst but the people who flocked to the drama made it way more depressing and extremely inappropriately racist. Way over the line, even for my usual tastes of internet tomfoolery. This summer feels like the US is going to explode if people can't find a way to start treating each other better and stop fighting like slavering dogs over petty bullshit. milo is self hating gay guy who will probaly be found dead in a hotel somewhere in decade or so. I am not a fan of jones but she went through a bunch of underserved poo poo from dickheads. what sucks is the alt-right runined critisim of the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY172rzvbWE stupid fucks like david aurini and milo are the problem. Drunken Baker posted:I can't believe people are still using the, "How about you see the movie before criticizing it!?" argument. pretty much, a smarter script and a different director would have saved the movie easy. NutritiousSnack posted:Angry Birds succeeded overseas, while Ghostbusters has less momentum over there and less access to foreign markets too wasnt that movie not even that bad. yeah it was a dumb kids movie and both the retard right and the retard left saw aniti muslim/anti immigration poo poo in it. natetimm posted:It sucks that some people don't really understand internet troll culture and this will end up being seen as something even worse than it is. There's a group of people bound and determined to constantly say the stupidest, most edgy and offensive poo poo possible wherever they can get away with it and it's just making things way worse. They happily troll any side of a social conflict for the reaction and it's such a small payoff for the immense tidal wave of bullshit they're going to end up causing overall. There's going to be more censorship, witch hunts, and extreme partisan crap because of them and they will emerge relatively unscathed for their trouble. Lowest loving common denominator loving it up for everyone. agreed but with the current political climate being lovely as it is on both sides, I can believe a decent amount of the insults are genuine.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:pretty much, a smarter script and a different director would have saved the movie easy. People have pointed out that there was a lot of ad-libbing in the original, but like you say, there's a strong scrip there with strong characterization for the actors to work with so they're not breaking character (or in the case of SPY) breaking the core world the film is set in.
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Drunken Baker posted:People have pointed out that there was a lot of ad-libbing in the original, but like you say, there's a strong scrip there with strong characterization for the actors to work with so they're not breaking character (or in the case of SPY) breaking the core world the film is set in. there is add-libbing in almost every movie, some of it works(the "i know" line in empire and bunch of others) but it needs to be in servece of the characters/story. it needs to make sense, not break the forth wall. as they said in the RLM review. its basicaly an inverse force awakens. it did everything wrong that force awakens did right.
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Jul 19, 2016 11:04
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client posted:another reason slap shot is so good and also won't likely be remade is because it is the total opposite of basically every sports movie: the protagonist is a sleazy conman, theres no uplifting message, nobody learns a valuable lesson about teamwork, and the chiefs only win at the end because the other side inadvertently forfeits. Sorry pal, we can't have deeply flawed and interesting characters that feel like real human beings anymore.
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Castor Poe posted:Sorry pal, we can't have deeply flawed and interesting characters that feel like real human beings anymore. pretty much. those have could have "problematic and pernicious underlying messages and themes"
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Like most bad things in the world, the recent lovely Hollywood output should be blamed on China. Partially due to pandering to censors, part due to "forced" joint ventures with Chinese studios who are horrible and greedy, even compared to Hollywood, and partially because the Chinese consumer is so used to domestically produced crap that transformers 5 is a huge step up in quality and entertainment. Edit I see China has been covered already, I just want to add, gently caress China and say hello to whatever government stooge is reading this. fish and chips and dip fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Farmland Park posted:Like most bad things in the world, the recent lovely Hollywood output should be blamed on China. Partially due to pandering to censors, part due to "forced" joint ventures with Chinese studios who are horrible and greedy, even compared to Hollywood, and partially because the Chinese consumer is so used to domestically produced crap that transformers 5 is a huge step up in quality and entertainment. Have you read up about the troubled production of empires of the deep?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:milo is self hating gay guy who will probaly be found dead in a hotel somewhere in decade or so. I am not a fan of jones but she went through a bunch of underserved poo poo from dickheads. what sucks is the alt-right runined critisim of the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY172rzvbWE stupid fucks like david aurini and milo are the problem. yeah it is real  how Milo tries to suppress his homosexuality
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Germstore posted:yeah it is real What? He rarely shuts up about how he loves cock. He exploits his homosexuality and revels in it, if anything.
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Paladinus posted:What? He rarely shuts up about how he loves cock. He exploits his homosexuality and revels in it, if anything. sarcasm
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max4me posted:Have you read up about the troubled production of empires of the deep? Yes I have, and its indicative of China in general, not limited to just movie productions.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:wasnt that movie not even that bad. yeah it was a dumb kids movie and both the retard right and the retard left saw aniti muslim/anti immigration poo poo in it. It's really bad and unfunny. I belong to neither of these two groups, but the lesson of the movie is really clear: don't trust foreigners - they are after your eggs. It's not something allegedly hidden behind levels and levels of abstraction, it's literally the entire premise. Hope no one minds spoilers for Angry Birds, but basically one bird is constantly angry which is frowned upon in the birds society. When the pigs arrive, they 'accidentally' destroy the angry bird's house, and claim that they come in peace. They pretend that they want to enrich birds' culture by setting up shows and fireworks displays, but the angry bird doesn't trust them and finds out that the pigs underreported their numbers, and that the real reason they want to be accepted by the birds is that they want to steal all their eggs. No one believes the angry bird until the eggs are stolen, at which point the birds travel to the pig country, destroy its capital and bring the eggs back. Yeah, not specifically about Iraq or whatever, but the lesson and the main thrust of the story is that sometimes people need an angry bird who tells it how it is about those drat foreign terrists. There's trying to find racism in LotR because all orcs are bad, which requires a slightly damaged brain, and there's seeing a very clearly communicated message of Angry Birds: The Movie. The game is fine, though.
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Pvt.Scott posted:Why even make films for the US any longer though? bingo if I'm a Sony shareholder and I know they can get 10:1 ROI in China versus 1:1 domestic, why am I not screaming blue murder about how they're spending $150m+ per project? same thing happened in Vegas which is why you won't see any more $2b+ megacasinos; Adelson/Wynn/et al get 5-7x ROI on aircraft hangars full of baccarat tables in Macau
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Internaut! posted:if I'm a Sony shareholder and I know they can get 10:1 ROI in China versus 1:1 domestic, why am I not screaming blue murder about how they're spending $150m+ per project? I'd be more concerned about them spending $150 mil on a project that can't even be shown in China.
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Germstore posted:yeah it is real I never said he suppressed it. i said he hates himself. he has basically said he lives the way conservatives believe homos live. fast and loose and all that poo poo.its why he doesnt believe in gay marrage and stuff.
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Milo? More like Milowns.
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Pvt.Scott posted:Why even make films for the US any longer though? They're just wasting a big chunk of what they might make in the US on advertising and distribution and poo poo. The US market still accounts for at least half of movie revenues. Chinese box office revenues are huge but the local distributors take a large cut of it. Plus the US market is a glass box, culture can get out but nothing can get in (American audiences are least likely to watch foreign films, US actors have global appeal and Chinese ones don't) Plus cancerous lowest common denominator films have existed for decades. Going back to watch the music videos for grammy-winning songs of the 80s-90s will quickly remind you how many of them were made for the soundtracks of terrible films. By the 90s it hit a fever pitch, and people like to forget just how many nostalgic reboots were made back then. Except then it was about dredging up stuff baby boomers grew up with (two Flintstones films, three Adams family movies, two for the Brady Bunch, three for Dennis the Menace) And back then the biggest complaint from movie buffs was an accurate one- the 80s were remembered for R-rated action flicks because by the 90s Hollywood insisted everything be PG-13 to bring in families. Even Schwarzenegger noted this in his interviews for the Last Action Hero (which I only remember because I found my toys for it yesterday). I'm also reminded that Small Soldiers existed only because I still have a Burger King promotional cup. My utensils are basically a museum of bad 90s films.
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I'm fine with lovely popcorn movies and lowest common denominator dreck existing, that's how art is. Most of it is poo poo. It just seems like the poo poo has really been honed to a septic razor edge and it's disheartening to see such vast resources used for it. Budgets could be cut drastically and nobody would give a gently caress. I'd rather watch loving Birdemic rather than Transformers because at least the first one didn't cost the monthly GDP of a tiny country.
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je1 healthcare posted:By the 90s it hit a fever pitch, and people like to forget just how many nostalgic reboots were made back then. Except then it was about dredging up stuff baby boomers grew up with (two Flintstones films, three Adams family movies, two for the Brady Bunch, three for Dennis the Menace) I was curious about what other baby boomer stuff was adapted in the 90s so I had a quick look and there was a whooooole lot of them: The Beverly Hillbillies, The Sandlot Kids, The Little Rascals, Leave It to Beaver, Richie Rich, Casper, 101 Dalmatians, The Nutty Professor, Mars Attacks!, Flubber, Mr. Magoo, Doctor Dolittle, Lost in Space, The Avengers, Wild Wild West, Dick Tracy, My Favorite Martian, Lassie, Dudley Do-Right, McHale's Navy, Pippi Longstocking and probably more gently caress THIS poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-FhWLCmI-w
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Look. In the original all the characters were exclusively white men, so it's not racist or sexist to make all the characters white men now. Get your politics out of my movies!
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Pvt.Scott posted:I'm fine with lovely popcorn movies and lowest common denominator dreck existing, that's how art is. Most of it is poo poo. It just seems like the poo poo has really been honed to a septic razor edge and it's disheartening to see such vast resources used for it. Budgets could be cut drastically and nobody would give a gently caress. I'd rather watch loving Birdemic rather than Transformers because at least the first one didn't cost the monthly GDP of a tiny country. Yes and GB's case, inject the culture war into it to make you feel bad for not wanting to see the lovely remake.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I never said he suppressed it. i said he hates himself. he has basically said he lives the way conservatives believe homos live. fast and loose and all that poo poo.its why he doesnt believe in gay marrage and stuff. i dunno i think he's lovin it he's probably more satisfied with his life than i'll ever be
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Uncle Wemus posted:There a reason milo went after leslie jones? He wrote a bad review of the movie which caused drama on Twitter.
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Bull Durham remake with a female cast. Melissa McCarthy hits a home run but shits her pants on third base (because she's a big girl, get it?) Kristen With is the pitcher but she has crazy stage fright and is socially awkward (literally every KW character ever). Susan sarandon plays Costner's character, the rough talking world weary catcher. Jason statham is the announcer/slump buster for the team, never wears a shirt.
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Sunswipe posted:I don't think the genre you've created there has enough films in it to do a satire of. Airplane! worked because it wasn't just a parody of Zero Hour, it was mocking disaster movies in general. There were plenty of stock characters to make fun of: the priest/doctor doing his best to keep everyone together, the reluctant hero who has to rise to the occasion, the cute but brave female lead, etc. Look at the films you've listed and what stock characters are there? One guy who's snarky all through the film and that's about it. However, Ghostbusters as a single film I think did inspire a lot of imitators in both the time it came out and over the years. How many TV shows, cartoons did Ghostbusters episodes in the 80s and 90s? Characters think they're in a haunted house or something, a sound alike of GB theme plays, they go around building GB gear, etc. After Ghostbusters, I think there was maybe a bit of a boom in a genre I can only consider that can be called the "Comedic Paranormal Mystery Teams". Transylvania 6-5000, Second Sight, My Science Project, Vibes, Monster Squad, Fright Night, Dead Heat, the TV show Shadow Chasers, etc. There might even be some overlap with things like Weird Science and The Lost Boys. How much of this was just happened to be a trend of the era or trying to become the next GB hit is probably debatable though. But trying to do a satire of a genre that is already intentionally being comedic is probably difficult. But we're also in the same modern era where RIPD, a pretty much unknown IP, got a budget nearly in the same range as GB2016 (according to the internet). It's also sort of an era where we've been getting a string of paranormal/horror becoming mainstream and popular, too. Walking Dead and Twilight seem pretty big, we've had all the satirical classy meets trashy things like Abe Lincoln vs. Vampires and Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, Comedy Zombie movies, the YA paranormal films, etc. Just picking something more current in this modern incarnation of popular paranormal than Ghostbusters and just doing it with a GB-styled dynamic with a budget, seems like it could have just as easily have worked, too.
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JediTalentAgent posted:However, Ghostbusters as a single film I think did inspire a lot of imitators in both the time it came out and over the years. How many TV shows, cartoons did Ghostbusters episodes in the 80s and 90s? Characters think they're in a haunted house or something, a sound alike of GB theme plays, they go around building GB gear, etc. quote:After Ghostbusters, I think there was maybe a bit of a boom in a genre I can only consider that can be called the "Comedic Paranormal Mystery Teams". Transylvania 6-5000, Second Sight, My Science Project, Vibes, Monster Squad, Fright Night, Dead Heat, the TV show Shadow Chasers, etc. It's possible I missed out on all of this because all the shows doing this stuff didn't make it over to the land of tea and bad teeth. But if these shows had enough of an impact to be a genre worth parodying in a mainstream movie, I would expect to at least have heard of them at some point in my online time. Do agree that satire of comedic movies is difficult, especially if they're good ones. Maybe someone talented could make a film mocking bad comedies, like those lovely Friedberg and Seltzer abominations, but a satire of something that already isn't taking itself that seriously is difficult. That's why I never liked Austin Powers: if I want to watch a silly spy movie, there's plenty of Roger Moore James Bond films.
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