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feedmegin posted:You realise 3 is actually a fairly large slice of all Labour governments total... Labour has only existed for 116 years and has only been the major opposition to the Tories since the 1920's. Since 1920 there have been 25 elections, 30 if you want to go to 1900, 3 governments is going to be a big slice of anyone's governmental record in that time. In fact ignoring minority governments since I'm lazy and the goal for Labour activists is a majority government, since 1900 there have still only been 3 governments whose majority would have been lost without Scottish seats, all Labour. My point still stands Labour does not necessarily need Scotland to gain a majority government and blaming the loss of Scotland for their current and future electoral woes is ultimately counter productive. Edit: 1843 – Brunel's steamship the SS Great Britain is launched, becoming the first ocean-going craft with an iron hull and screw propeller, becoming the largest vessel afloat in the world.
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I'm waiting for tony benn to run Literally his corpse, maybe propped up with a rosette on
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Oberleutnant posted:I want hillary benn to run and get poo poo on. I, too, want Hilary Benn to run.
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TheRat posted:So someone who understands media better than I do. Why do newspapers print "EXCLUSIVE" when the exact same story is in every other paper known to man? The most honest reason this happens is because one paper manages to break a story in its early edition and the rest of them pick up for their later edition. The actual reason is of course that most of the time about most things most media is talking bollocks.
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I just put 2 quid on Hilary Benn and Dan Jarvis each at 999-1 on Betfair exchange just incase they really are that stupid.
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https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/755430648496660480 This is rather painful to watch.
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Historically about three Labour governments would have failed to claim a majority without any Scottish seats. As much as I love my country the idea that it holds some important balance in deciding the government is bollocks.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/755430648496660480 Grip a bit less, you are cutting off the blood circulation
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Pesky Splinter posted:Source: Indy May's letters of last resort: 
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Flayer posted:As someone who loves your country you should be aware that the UK, in its entire history, has only ever elected 4 different Labour leaders. He's from Scotland. He is not required to love the UK. Also yes, but given the age of the Labour Party and the way our system works that's not bad. In the same period 5 Tories were elected into the role, compared to the number who were Prime Minister.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/755430648496660480 "That was taken out of context" non-apology followed swiftly by "I've said too much silly poo poo to apologise for all of it, so I'll apologise for none of it", topped off by trying to make the journalist feel bad for not asking about war orphans instead. Almost impressive, to be quite honest.
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radmonger posted:According to a recent link posted on Charlie Stross's blog, it is actually possible to nuke the sun. Link, man.
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TinTower posted:Link, man. Not a single person is talking about what they're actually going to do with the loving things. If they were talking about nuking the sun or ending world poverty within the next 40 minutes then there'd at least be something proactive we could discuss about it.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, this is the sort of stuff we should really be talking about when it comes to Trident. I've not heard a single constructive thing from either side, the antis just keep whining about the cost and the pros just keep shouting 'deterrent!' and 'national security!' Trouble is that all the antis have is a moral argument. They're horrible things to make, horrible things to have, horrible things to use, and horrible things to dispose of if you don't want them any more. The only good argument for no longer having them is that they're terrible world-ending devices of great evil and the responsible thing is to disable them as best we possibly can and maybe... I dunno sink them into a subduction zone or something? What proactive thing do you think can be done other the decommissioning them and spending the rest of the money (if any) on something else?
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Jul 19, 2016 19:41
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Fire them all at the moon just for kicks.
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I like how Angela Eagle spent longer saying she was going to run for Leader than she spent actually running for Leader. The kind of strong leadership we've been sadly denied.
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That Turkish coup was better planned out than this PLP one.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/755430648496660480 Sorta happy this is happening. As everywhere he will go now Boris will be called a wanker. No where is safe.
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thespaceinvader posted:What proactive thing do you think can be done other the decommissioning them and spending the rest of the money (if any) on something else? I'm skeptical, but if it works it could one-up Corbyn's asteroid project.
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Radish posted:That Turkish coup was better planned out than this PLP one. The PLP coup was planned?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36839721 more awkwardness from that press conference
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, this is the sort of stuff we should really be talking about when it comes to Trident. I've not heard a single constructive thing from either side, the antis just keep whining about the cost and the pros just keep shouting 'deterrent!' and 'national security!' Waving them at people we don't like is a thing to do with them. Oberleutnant posted:Fire them all at the moon just for kicks. Aimed carefully to spell out DAVID CAMERON hosed A DEAD PIG in craters.
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I am really tickled by the idea that all this time the PLP have been thinking of themselves as shadowy eminence grises and slick political operators who make and break governments like the cool dudes in House of Cards or Yes, Minister except they've been totally loving flummoxed by a little old socialist grandpa
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OwlFancier posted:Waving them at people we don't like is a thing to do with them. 
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They certainly emanate grease and it does make them quite slick given the volume.Guavanaut posted:You can do that with many other far less expensive things. Not on a national scale. Unless you're proposing we spend all of the trident money to get the most well endowed members of the public to stand on the cliffs at dover and do the helicopter dick at France.
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thespaceinvader posted:What proactive thing do you think can be done other the decommissioning them and spending the rest of the money (if any) on something else? fire them at The Sun. someone just posted that its possible
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OwlFancier posted:Not on a national scale. Unless you're proposing we spend all of the trident money to get the most well endowed members of the public to stand on the cliffs at dover and do the helicopter dick at France. I unironically support this as an alternative to trident.
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Oberleutnant posted:I am really tickled by the idea that all this time the PLP have been thinking of themselves as shadowy eminence grises and slick political operators who make and break governments like the cool dudes in House of Cards or Yes, Minister except they've been totally loving flummoxed by a little old socialist grandpa I think they've been waiting for him to say something *really really mean* about them, and when it never came, they never had a Plan B for this lovely coup.
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But have you considered this incredibly valid point? https://twitter.com/BradenDavy/status/755132910806638592
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I like how Kerry of all people laughs at him. I think you could pretty much place Boris Johnson next to anyone and they would laugh at him with good reason. Hell, Bush Junior would laugh.Coohoolin posted:But have you considered this incredibly valid point? Ah yes, the famous surgical strike smart atomic warheads.
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Well I mean I suppose that's possible if you didn't activate the warhead and just fired the actual missile at people. Seems a bit of an expensive way to basically drop a piano on someone but I guess it would work.
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OwlFancier posted:Not on a national scale. Unless you're proposing we spend all of the trident money to get the most well endowed members of the public to stand on the cliffs at dover and do the helicopter dick at France. I'm pretty solidly booked for the next few months but i'll try to fit this in.
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OwlFancier posted:Well I mean I suppose that's possible if you didn't activate the warhead and just fired the actual missile at people. Seems a bit of an expensive way to basically drop a piano on someone but I guess it would work. didn't MP's essentially admit during the syrian bombing vote that collateral damage happens or did they just dance around the issue? ignoring when civilians are targetted just everyone assumed they were terrorists
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Jose posted:didn't MP's essentially admit during the syrian bombing vote that collateral damage happens or did they just dance around the issue? ignoring when civilians are targetted just everyone assumed they were terrorists Last I was aware being in the proximity of a terrorist also makes you a terrorist and therefore as long as the missile hits the original terrorist all the collateral terrorist damage is OK.
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Jose posted:didn't MP's essentially admit during the syrian bombing vote that collateral damage happens or did they just dance around the issue? ignoring when civilians are targetted just everyone assumed they were terrorists The current official line is since no one is reporting civilian causalities, they do not occur. Also anyone reporting civilian causalities cannot be trusted and will be ignored and anyone who is blown up is an enemy combatant because we don't target civilians. We covered a lot of bases on this one.
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Jose posted:didn't MP's essentially admit during the syrian bombing vote that collateral damage happens or did they just dance around the issue? ignoring when civilians are targetted just everyone assumed they were terrorists Yes but we needed to bomb them because in the 30s fascism you see and Spanish civil war. Even though in the Spanish civil war, the one side to use aerial bombing like that proposed in Syria was the fascists.
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Pochoclo posted:I like how Kerry of all people laughs at him. I think you could pretty much place Boris Johnson next to anyone and they would laugh at him with good reason. Hell, Bush Junior would laugh. Not only that but in total war cities become military targets. Cities have barracks and factories and infrastructure.
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https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/755468297013981184 ...I'm OK with this
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