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I can't believe that I could order a custom, in stock 1060 at MSRP right now. The plain black dual fan Palit (NE51060015J9)/Gainward (3712) seem to be the 'reference' model for price this round. e; there also is a plain black MSI dual fan model, below the Armor, at MSRP. Good luck snatching that though. MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GT OC (V809-2205R) sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Zerilan posted:So how does this 1060 compare to the 1070? Currently using a 780 which can at least run everything i'm playing on ok settings, so not in an urgent need to upgrade, but trying to decide whether to just get a 1060 now or wait until the holiday season and get a 1070 or 80 then. The 1060 is the old GTX980, the 1070 is the 980ti. Both just with ~50w lower power usage. Both also look to gain about 15% performance from overclocking. It's a 150$ jump from a 1060 to a 1070 though, for 30-35% better performance, so unless you are gaming at higher than 1080 resolution, it makes not much sense price/performance wise.
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I asked before but didn't see an answer. When do these actually tend to start showing up at retail?
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Jul 19, 2016 19:12
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Paul MaudDib posted:5K 120hz ultrawide gaming is not a thing yet. Sounds like someone doesn't know any train enthusiasts.
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Jul 19, 2016 19:16
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mango sentinel posted:I asked before but didn't see an answer. When do these actually tend to start showing up at retail? As when you can buy one? Now, mine arrives tomorrow.
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Mega Comrade posted:As when you can buy one? Now, mine arrives tomorrow. I meant brick and mortar, sorry. mango sentinel fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Jul 19, 2016 19:18
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mango sentinel posted:I asked before but didn't see an answer. When do these actually tend to start showing up at retail? Right now? Nowinstock has them going in and out of stock all day so far. e: Oh, B&M 
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From reading this thread for the past few weeks it sounds like all the card wars arguments are moot because all the cards being made sell out anyway, demand outstrips manufacture.
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mango sentinel posted:I meant brick and mortar, sorry. Saw a couple pop in and out of stock quickly at microcenter. Best Buy has a few listings online, but no option for in-store pickup yet.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:From reading this thread for the past few weeks it sounds like all the card wars arguments are moot because all the cards being made sell out anyway, demand outstrips manufacture. I don't know about you but I still think amd sucks regardless how many cards they sell.
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By the way, any fps number you see for Nvidia cards on Vulkan Doom is likely wrong. Atm there seems to be no way to measure it due to a driver issue.
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Jul 19, 2016 19:27
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I got one of the LG 34" 1080p ultrawide monitors on Prime Day. It is Freesync so thought about getting a RX 480 to take advantage of it since my 770ti is making me drop my graphics lower than I like. Since they are out of stock until whenever is freesync a good enough of a thing where I should wait instead of getting a 1060 now?
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This needed to be shared: editedit: Imgur not hosed anymore.     https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupportgore/comments/4t8vlu/i_did_a_horrible_thing/ They used thermal adhesive, not thermal compound when repasting their 480. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 19, 2016 19:32
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EdEddnEddy posted:One thing about SLI. I remember reading up on 3DFX and their VooDoo chips right before they got bought out. The Voodoo 5 6000 had 4 of those VESA-100 chips and technically, with the tech the chips brought, they could stack as many of them as you could mount on a board and connect together (which sounded like a nightmare above 4 and had issues all over with AGP being what it was). But when everything worked, they scaled rather well.
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Jul 19, 2016 19:33
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Gwaihir posted:The 1060 is the old GTX980, the 1070 is the 980ti. Both just with ~50w lower power usage. Both also look to gain about 15% performance from overclocking. The performance numbers I've been seeing look like the GTX 1060 is closer to an AIB GTX 970 (mild factory OC) than a GTX 980 in most games. Granted, all three cards are fairly close together, but the "1060 equals 980" mantra doesn't seem to be really accurate.
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PBCrunch posted:The performance numbers I've been seeing look like the GTX 1060 is closer to an AIB GTX 970 (mild factory OC) than a GTX 980 in most games. Granted, all three cards are fairly close together, but the "1060 equals 980" mantra doesn't seem to be really accurate. I mean, seems pretty close?  Same relative performance holds at 2560 * 1440. Maybe an aftermarket 980 with an OC to 1.5ghz brings the margin a little closer, since it looks like the 1060 only picks up 14-15% OC perf, but measuring OC to OC is a crapshoot.
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Is ZOTAC a decent brand for a 1060? I am not familiar with them.
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jabro posted:I got one of the LG 34" 1080p ultrawide monitors on Prime Day. It is Freesync so thought about getting a RX 480 to take advantage of it since my 770ti is making me drop my graphics lower than I like. Since they are out of stock until whenever is freesync a good enough of a thing where I should wait instead of getting a 1060 now? *sync is great and you should wait for a custom 480.
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jabro posted:I got one of the LG 34" 1080p ultrawide monitors on Prime Day. It is Freesync so thought about getting a RX 480 to take advantage of it since my 770ti is making me drop my graphics lower than I like. Since they are out of stock until whenever is freesync a good enough of a thing where I should wait instead of getting a 1060 now? While I think the 1060 is a slightly better card, that advantage dwindles with *sync on the table. Wait for a 480.
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EdEddnEddy posted:One thing about SLI. I remember reading up on 3DFX and their VooDoo chips right before they got bought out. The Voodoo 5 6000 had 4 of those VESA-100 chips and technically, with the tech the chips brought, they could stack as many of them as you could mount on a board and connect together (which sounded like a nightmare above 4 and had issues all over with AGP being what it was). But when everything worked, they scaled rather well. There was nothing magical about 3dfx SLI - all they did was alternate rendering the horizontal lines of the image between each GPU, which is similar in principle to SFR in modern SLI/CF setups. SFR was killed by render passes that sample adjacent pixels, AFR took its place, now AFR is being killed by render passes that sample previous frames, and so AMD/NV said "gently caress this" and DX12 EMA was born to make it the engine developers problem 
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sauer kraut posted:*sync is great and you should wait for a custom 480. Mega Comrade posted:While I think the 1060 is a slightly better card, that advantage dwindles with *sync on the table. Wait for a 480. That's what I figured but was starting to get that I CAN GET A CARD RIGHT NOW anxiety. Thanks, guys.
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Enigma posted:Is ZOTAC a decent brand for a 1060? I am not familiar with them. Zotac is fine.
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FaustianQ posted:I don't know how much effort went into tit's design, but my MG279Q supports 30-90Hz range, which is pretty drat good, an increase to 30-120Hz for Freesync should basically make it a no brainer There's a firmware mod for that exact monitor which turns its range into 55-144Hz. Enigma posted:I wish I still played multiplayer fps games, but family/career and such. Mostly single player stuff these days that I can pause. I'm getting a 144Hz monitor, so I'm hoping that is good enough. As I've stated before, it is. Once you get a 144Hz monitor, the GSync/FreeSync stuff no longer makes a great difference, because the faster refresh rate of the monitor already more than halves tearing/stutter. 60Hz->144Hz is the big one.
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spasticColon posted:Economically feasible. And the "new" consoles are going to do some kind of fancy up-scaling to meet the 4K target. It's gonna be a while yet before a $250 video card or a $400 console can run games natively at 4K with all the graphical whistles and bells turned on. I would argue the opposite, the difference between 1080p and 4k is much more visible at typical monitor viewing distances than it is at typical TV viewing distances.
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spasticColon posted:Edit: Honestly I just don't understand the 4K gaming circlejerk. Movies and TV do look better on 4K sets but for gaming I'm satisfied with 1080p high/ultra settings at 60fps. I'm struggling to understand why this would be the case. Are you saying that there's a quality improvement from 4K video that you don't see in gaming, or that you care about the improvement for video but don't for games for some reason? Have you seen games running at 4K at the same settings otherwise that you run, or are you just saying that you can't miss what you've never experienced? MaxxBot posted:I would argue the opposite, the difference between 1080p and 4k is much more visible at typical monitor viewing distances than it is at typical TV viewing distances. Past the clear tautology of "you can always see more detail on an object if you're closer to it", you kind of have to define typical distance and your monitor/TV sizes to make a statement like this. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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spasticColon posted:Edit: Honestly I just don't understand the 4K gaming circlejerk. Movies and TV do look better on 4K sets but for gaming I'm satisfied with 1080p high/ultra settings at 60fps.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Ultrawide is a thing. Surround gaming is a thing. People will learn not to rubberneck constantly. As someone who works with multiple monitors open it's a godsend, and xthetenth never stops jerking off about how awesome his X34 is for gaming. I'll always take more room, but honestly I love my ultrawides more for work/incessant screwing around online. It's real nice for gaming, but it's not two windows up at once that aren't cramped levels of nice, and that's before getting into wing monitors flanking that ultrawide. I'd definitely cross shop 144Hz 16:9s if it were just gaming though. If I had the power I'd run eyefinity with it and the wings, no question about it, and if people make a 4k VR headset intended for working with visualized screen space I'd take out a loan for that poo poo though.
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Mega Comrade posted:So with dX12, is the 480 gonna pull out ahead of the 1060 or is the initial 'amd is more future proof' more a current driver thing? Maybe more like pull even than pull ahead, but there are a lot of unknowns about this still. AMD seems to have more performance boost from DX12 / Vulkan than nvidia does right now. It could be that GCN is more suited to the next gen software than the nvidia Kepler & Pascal tech. And between AMD's positions in the standards (gave Mantle to Vulkan, active on DX12) and occupying both consoles, it seems unlikely that performance will suddenly fall off a cliff for them. Games are going to be targeting GCN as a main platform for years to come. OTOH there aren't a whole lot of games to confirm the trend. It could be that nvidia just hasn't yet put much effort into driver work for it. Or possibly the GTX 11xx will be the one that gets major revisions built for the CX12/Vulkan future. As much as AMD seems to make GPUs that age gracefully, Nvidia seems to put a lot of work into thrashing the gently caress out of games that are on the shelves now. If you're looking at the 480/1060 decision, I'd only could the 480 as having future proof potential if you think you're gonna keep it for a good long time. If you're buying cheap because you buy a video card every generation, it doesn't matter. Hieronymous Alloy posted:From reading this thread for the past few weeks it sounds like all the card wars arguments are moot because all the cards being made sell out anyway, demand outstrips manufacture. I think the pent-up demand from the last generation stretching out for nearly two years is really something else. Skuto posted:As I've stated before, it is. Once you get a 144Hz monitor, the GSync/FreeSync stuff no longer makes a great difference, because the faster refresh rate of the monitor already more than halves tearing/stutter. Gsync Freesync -- 144hz - | | - 60hz
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Klyith posted:Maybe more like pull even than pull ahead, but there are a lot of unknowns about this still. Cool, thanks! That's really the deciding factor for me between a 1060 and 480, but if it makes that little of a difference at 144Hz then I will go with the 1060.
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Everyone knows how Nvidia cards have issues with idle clocks and 144Hz screens and how Nvidia doesn't really seem to care about fixing it. But there's also another big issue Nvidia doesn't give a thing about and that's diagonal screen tearing with laptop cards. Has been a thing for at least 1.5 years and Nvidia hasn't said a thing about it. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/903422/geforce-mobile-gpus/diagonal-screen-tearing-issues-on-gtx-860m-870m-960m-965m-970m-980m-/ http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/strange-diagonal-screen-tearings.771358/ I only noticed this week ago on my laptop because I almost never play games on laptop's own screen, but now it's incredibly distracting.
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spasticColon posted:Economically feasible. And the "new" consoles are going to do some kind of fancy up-scaling to meet the 4K target. It's gonna be a while yet before a $250 video card or a $400 console can run games natively at 4K with all the graphical whistles and bells turned on. Please bear with the fact that it's from Gamespot, this is one of the BEST demonstrations of what 4K does for gaming that I have ever found on the internet, and it involves demonstrating diagonal lines at various resolutions... in photoshop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UcBwsQTwwI&t=109s The explanation carries all the way through to 4:10 where the explain how you can get away with no anti-aliasing at all, if you've got enough resolution. In short: More pixels mean less jaggies, because each individual pixel is a much smaller part of an overall line or edge, so the "stair effect" is reduced. This means you can turn AA down or off entirely and reclaim the power you'd normally use for it. This power can then be put towards texture quality or effects or whatever. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Zotac is fine. So this would be a fine purchase?
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Please bear with the fact that it's from Gamespot, this is one of the BEST demonstrations of what 4K does for gaming that I have ever found on the internet, and it involves demonstrating diagonal lines at various resolutions... in photoshop. This has been an argument since the Voodoo5/Geforce2 era when AA was really starting to be applicable.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:In short: More pixels mean less jaggies, because each individual pixel is a much smaller part of an overall line or edge, so the "stair effect" is reduced. This means you can turn AA down or off entirely and reclaim the power you'd normally use for it. This power can then be put towards texture quality or effects or whatever.
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EdEddnEddy posted:One thing about SLI. I remember reading up on 3DFX and their VooDoo chips right before they got bought out. The Voodoo 5 6000 had 4 of those VESA-100 chips and technically, with the tech the chips brought, they could stack as many of them as you could mount on a board and connect together (which sounded like a nightmare above 4 and had issues all over with AGP being what it was). But when everything worked, they scaled rather well. 3DFX-era SLI divided up the load by having each GPU handle a fraction of the scan lines, basically allocating them in order. Effectively each one is rendering the same scene at the same time with a reduced vertical resolution. This doesn't work for operations that need to have the entire framebuffer or nearby lines available, which if I'm not mistaken is most pixel shader operations and possibly even some hardware lighting. Basically the same sort of problem modern alternate-frame SLI/CF has with deferred rendering, just on a different level.
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Enigma posted:So this would be a fine purchase? Yes it is fine, Zotac is fine
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Skuto posted:As I've stated before, it is. Once you get a 144Hz monitor, the GSync/FreeSync stuff no longer makes a great difference, because the faster refresh rate of the monitor already more than halves tearing/stutter. i would like to hear more about this bc the gsync premium is really the only thing stopping me from buying a new monitor rn
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Taima posted:Yes it is fine, Zotac is fine Thank you! Sorry, just a little nervous about my first foray into building and a touch overwhelmed by the number of options.
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I wish I had known that the small Zotac cards would pop up as in stock during the afternoon. I got up 2 hours after launch this morning and saw that everything on Newegg/Amazon was already sold out. I figured that was the end for a week or so, so I said gently caress it and ordered an FE despite it being almost too long to fit in my case and not really wanting a blower cooler. Now I see that I could have gotten what I wanted for $20 less, but it's too late unless I want to just order both and try to flip the FE.
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