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Jose posted:isn't a big problem still whatever way the wind happens to be blowing causing a load of radioactive particles going in that direction? Also the part where you're using nuclear weapons which is probably going to lead to more nuclear weapons being used.
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Noxville posted:You think the Lib Dems would turn down the chance to swell the parliamentary party by 12.5%? I imagine Farron will be like "sure" then the local party will then say "gently caress off" in response.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:...yes? The MIRVs on the Trident have an accuracy within 300m and, if rumour is correct, the British "physics package" (god I love nuclear euphemisms) can be dialled down to >1kt. So yeah, it would totally be possible to target, for example, Faslane and it barely even be noticeable in Glasgow. Hell you could drop one on the Houses of Parliament and it would probably only break the windows at Buckingham Palace. Except in that scenario the government will be operating from a hardened nuclear bunker the exact location and specifications of which are only vaguely known. So the only option available to an enemy is to dump many high yield warheads on the general area to ensure it's destruction.
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Jul 19, 2016 21:01
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GlyphGryph posted:Can someone link to a few of the good speaches Corbyn has done recently? I remember reading in the thread about at least one good one but couldn't watch myself at the time and now I can't find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QQITgJZJg
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Jul 19, 2016 21:02
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TinTower posted:I imagine Farron will be like "sure" then the local party will then say "gently caress off" in response. Why? Like, what qualities could a Labour or Tory MP that wants to defect to the Lib Dems possess that would make them unwelcome?
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Jul 19, 2016 21:02
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TheRat posted:Also the part where you're using nuclear weapons which is probably going to lead to more nuclear weapons being used. not if its the argies starting poo poo over the falklands again
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Jul 19, 2016 21:06
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Pissflaps posted:Why? The quality of having defeated an incumbent Lib Dem MP less than eighteen months beforehand. I can guarantee that if she manages to successfully defect to the Lib Dems, she'll have left the party by… let's say March 19, 2017. No reason for that specific date.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:...yes? The MIRVs on the Trident have an accuracy within 300m and, if rumour is correct, the British "physics package" (god I love nuclear euphemisms) can be dialled down to >1kt. So yeah, it would totally be possible to target, for example, Faslane and it barely even be noticeable in Glasgow. Hell you could drop one on the Houses of Parliament and it would probably only break the windows at Buckingham Palace. Even the smallest deviation can be kind of a big deal for a loving bomb. It's the difference between Johnny Terrorist's house and a bum in the nearby alleyway who's about to have a really bad day. sorry i'm just tired of the pro argument of "minimal civilian casualties" like that's a good thing. oh only a small number of innocent people will die horrifically, what a releif. I mean I know no civilian casualties whatsoever is impossible in war, but it's what should be striven for nonetheless.
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Jose posted:not if its the argies starting poo poo over the falklands again Can you picture a world in which the UK would get away with nuking argentina?
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Junior G-man posted:Who was it that was counting down to a Graun article about Owen Smith not being a woman etc? Wish I was a guardian copy editor for a day. quote:You can’t choose a leader just because they have two X chromosomes. Angela Eagle is many things – clever, quick, Labour through and through, northern – and she is a woman. A gay woman, as it happens. fin.
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TheRat posted:Can you picture a world in which the UK would get away with nuking argentina? If they try to mess with our Falkland Islands again they'll be asking for it.
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Jul 19, 2016 21:11
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TheRat posted:Can you picture a world in which the UK would get away with nuking argentina? "thank god they'll finally shut the gently caress up about the falklands"
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Jul 19, 2016 21:14
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Doubt anything will come of this but it's a nice gesture. https://www.facebook.com/events/297055643980801/
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Junior G-man posted:Who was it that was counting down to a Graun article about Owen Smith not being a woman etc? quote:Her gender was not exactly a problem. Her problem was that she was cursed with a bit too much history. She had been around long enough to understand what power is like. She has had to make hard, real-time decisions. Notoriously (nowadays) she voted for the Iraq war. She was for Trident modernisation, has generally been for military intervention and she is pro-EU. quote:she voted for the Iraq war There is no ironicat big enough.
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Does anyone know why, exactly, Corbyn didn't make any public appearances with Cameron in the remain campaign?
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GlyphGryph posted:Can someone link to a few of the good speaches Corbyn has done recently? I remember reading in the thread about at least one good one but couldn't watch myself at the time and now I can't find it. This was from the weekend just gone, at the Topluddle Martyrs Festival in Dorset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjpAdkKRcIY
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GlyphGryph posted:Does anyone know why, exactly, Corbyn didn't make any public appearances with Cameron in the remain campaign? Something something Better Together SNP in Scotland.
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Cerebral Bore posted:There is no ironicat big enough. anne perkins wrote an article recently about how she knows young people have it rough but she made it successfully despite leaving school early so everyone can
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Jul 19, 2016 21:16
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GlyphGryph posted:Does anyone know why, exactly, Corbyn didn't make any public appearances with Cameron in the remain campaign? Because Ed did that for the Indy Ref and look how that turned out for Labour. Also because Corbyn and Cameron sharing a stage would have looked and sounded completely farcical.
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Phwoar. This speech is incredible. Only saw snippets before. 100% behind Corbyn to lead Labour and to lead the country after that.
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GlyphGryph posted:Does anyone know why, exactly, Corbyn didn't make any public appearances with Cameron in the remain campaign? He was on holiday.
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GlyphGryph posted:Does anyone know why, exactly, Corbyn didn't make any public appearances with Cameron in the remain campaign? His given reason was that he didn't want to be associated with Cameron's policies or beliefs by sharing a platform with him. It's an interesting position to take, considering the people Corbyn has shared a platform with in the past.
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Jose posted:anne perkins wrote an article recently about how she knows young people have it rough but she made it successfully despite leaving school early so everyone can She wrote an article prior to the GE about how Ed Miliband saying Rosamund Pike should play James Bond was proof that he's a political mastermind lol
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GlyphGryph posted:Does anyone know why, exactly, Corbyn didn't make any public appearances with Cameron in the remain campaign? Corbyn is kinda sentimental about pigs, it's why he's a vegetarian. Sharing a platform with Hamdick would therefore have been impossible.
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Verizian posted:Corbyn is kinda sentimental about pigs, it's why he's a vegetarian. Sharing a platform with Hamdick would therefore have been impossible. If only this was the real reason. 
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It's tough to sell Remain with a positive message when your message has to be pointing at the guy next to you and saying "it's actually this pigfucker's fault". And anything good you say is lost to Tories vs Labour.
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Jose posted:"thank god they'll finally shut the gently caress up about the falklands" Las Malvinas son ArgentinaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAgghghg
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GlyphGryph posted:Does anyone know why, exactly, Corbyn didn't make any public appearances with Cameron in the remain campaign? All of the above, basically, everyone who's ever shared a stage or platform with Cameron has gotten poo poo for it and it's damaged their platform for the association. And people say Corbyn isn't politically savvy.
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OwlFancier posted:All of the above, basically, everyone who's ever shared a stage or platform with Cameron has gotten poo poo for it and it's damaged their platform for the association. He's also not a socialist. I get all my news from Jess Phillips.
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Plucky Brit posted:His given reason was that he didn't want to be associated with Cameron's policies or beliefs by sharing a platform with him. 
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Pissflaps posted:If he'd rather be fighting the Tories, how come he only puts in a shift when it comes to fighting Labour MPs? Because he's fighting Tories, duh.
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https://www.crowdjustice.co.uk/case/chilcot/quote:We are Roger Bacon and Reg Keys. Our sons, Matthew Bacon and Tom Keys, were killed in the Second Iraq War.
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The real travesty of this is that the families of our 179 dead soldiers have a much better chance of getting justice than the families of the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians do. It's a bit hard to reconcile that disparity.
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Yinlock posted:Even the smallest deviation can be kind of a big deal for a loving bomb. It's the difference between Johnny Terrorist's house and a bum in the nearby alleyway who's about to have a really bad day. Oh absolutely, and I'm not disagreeing with that at all - in fact as I mentioned the greater precision and lower yields of modern nuclear weapons are actually a destabilising factor. But the point is - if MAD wasn't still the prevailing wisdom - that yes, you could actually use nukes against an enemy with very few civilian casualties because we're not lobbing 10MT warheads in the general direction of population centres any more. e: It's all a bit irrelevant though because the point at the moment is one person using nukes means the end of the world, so civilian casualties of the original strike doesn't really matter. jabby posted:Except in that scenario the government will be operating from a hardened nuclear bunker the exact location and specifications of which are only vaguely known. So the only option available to an enemy is to dump many high yield warheads on the general area to ensure it's destruction. Exactly, which is why I called it insanity. That's literally the point of having the nukes on subs rather than in a shed outside Chislehurst, there is (in theory) no way of preventing a retaliatory strike. Jose posted:isn't a big problem still whatever way the wind happens to be blowing causing a load of radioactive particles going in that direction? Depends. A sub-kiloton yield exploded at ground level won't actually throw a lot of nasties into the air - the devil's in the details of the exact geography of the area and the weather at the time of detonation, but fallout was barely an issue after Hiroshima and Nagasaki and they were much higher-yield devices exploded at a height that more or less maximised the amount of fallout. You're certainly talking a lot less high-energy material released into the atmosphere than at Chernobyl. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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TinTower posted:I imagine Farron will be like "sure" then the local party will then say "gently caress off" in response. This already happened unofficially last week, when this exact thing was discussed with the local Lib Dem big cheese in front of one of the Labour councillors. John Hemming wants to come back and can bank roll the local Lib Dems, so why take someone in they'd later deselect? Especially someone with so little local name recognition?
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Reminder that for a good few decades we were exploding some of the most powerful thermonuclear bombs ever created all over the planet. Only problem it's ever caused is CERN have a tough time finding steel which hasn't been ever so slightly contaminated.
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qhat posted:Reminder that for a good few decades we were exploding some of the most powerful thermonuclear bombs ever created all over the planet. Only problem it's ever caused is CERN have a tough time finding steel which hasn't been ever so slightly contaminated. Luckily the Kriegsmarine has us covered
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Is it me or has Corbyn been improving as a public speaker
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qhat posted:Reminder that for a good few decades we were exploding some of the most powerful thermonuclear bombs ever created all over the planet. Only problem it's ever caused is CERN have a tough time finding steel which hasn't been ever so slightly contaminated. for anyone yet to see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
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