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MonsieurChoc posted:There's quite a few shots where the special effects were added after the fact in the AC and look really bad because of it. The xenomorph really suffers from it: there are scenes where it looks really amazing, and then others where it looks really bad.  The analog process they used to compose the rod puppet with the live action hallway shots gave it a very unfortunate green tint which makes a lot of people think it's awful CG (but this was '92, before Jurassic Park). I've heard that the rod puppet shadows are CG, which makes sense because they look... wrong. I think the suit looked great, though. In Alien: Resurrection, Call (Winona Ryder) is an android that I think was part of some society of escaped androids living independently. I think WY is dead in that movie, however (it's set hundreds of years after 3).
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The "twist" in Resurrection is that Winona Ryder is a second generation android (androids built by androids, also called "autons") and she's been hiding it because they're illegal. She wasn't literally rebelling against the Company, she had learned that the United Systems Military was going to attempt more Alien research and recognized that that was a bad idea, so she set out to sabotage the project.
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Jul 16, 2016 15:10
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Alien 4 is so goofy, I think I kinda love it
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Alien Resurrection has a lot of individual components that are really cool, even if the complete package has some issues and a lack of a coherent vision tying it all together. It's got the most memorable, quotable characters since 'Aliens', the practical effects are really impressive (the Newborn puppet, the failed Ripley clones), making Ripley part-Alien is a novel way to explore her character further, and the underwater/ladder sequence is a really well done action setpiece.
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Jul 16, 2016 17:29
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The thing about Resurrection that sticks with me most is the Newborn screaming
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Jul 16, 2016 17:47
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I get the feeling when I watch Resurrection that Jeunet wasn't allowed to go far enough. If he were given carte blanche to go full-Jeunet I think the movie would have maybe not been well-received on release, but would have stood the test of time a lot better than it has.
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Resurrection has Whedon dialogue all over it, rendering it unwatchable. Like not even Brad Dourif could deliver that poo poo, and he was able to make the most of his appearance on Star Trek Voyager.
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Xenomrph posted:Alien Resurrection has a lot of individual components that are really cool, even if the complete package has some issues and a lack of a coherent vision tying it all together. It's got the most memorable, quotable characters since 'Aliens', the practical effects are really impressive (the Newborn puppet, the failed Ripley clones), making Ripley part-Alien is a novel way to explore her character further, and the underwater/ladder sequence is a really well done action setpiece. She is illegal because all the autons rebelled, if I recall.
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zVxTeflon posted:You like that the alien pops out making her sacrifice worthless? Ripley could of just like leaned over the edge and shot out the alien as it burst from her chest into the lava and lived. She could of then turned around and did a Mentos ad. Alien Franchise I have saved you.
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Black Bones posted:Alien 4 is so goofy, I think I kinda love it The space wal-mart line makes me think poo poo went the way of Idiocracy back on good ole earth.
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Xenomrph posted:I've never thought about Predator as a Vietnam movie, but as I'm thinking about it I can kinda see how it would work. But if the Predator is the Vietcong, an unpredictable enemy that uses the jungle itself to wage unconventional warfare, then who do the rebels that Dutch and co thoroughly stomp represent? This is from a while back, but Predator is an incredible sendup of the eighties Vietnam revisionist trend. The first two acts of the film reads like a Cliff Notes version of the Vietnam conflict. You've got a full squad of guys who could each star in their own Rambo spinoff franchise, armed with the greatest gear and the coolest one-liners, sent by a CIA agent on a hero's quest in a jungle. They go in full of piss and vinegar and absolutely annihilate the enemy they expected (in your question, it'd be a stand-in for the NVA). Almost immediately it becomes apparent that the CIA agent was not honest with them and the soldiers are questioning their motives for being where they are. They are picked off one by one by an enemy that they cannot fully understand. They pour firepower into the jungle and accomplish nothing of value besides wasting their resources. When they try to wage guerilla warfare against it their trapped are easily defeated. Ironically, by listening and interacting with a local they discover things to use against The Jungle but by then it's far too late in the engagement. Their only goal is to cut their losses and leave by helicopter with the friendly locals in a direct echo of the fall of Saigon. The third act is when the film ventures into the Rambo-style Vietnam revisionism, except that Schwarzenegger turns into Colonel Kurtz instead of John Rambo. The only effective way he finds to fight the predator is to become the predator. He makes himself invisible to it and lures it into an ambush, wounding it and destroying its technological edge. We see the predator standing bewildered and firing wildly into the trees in a direct echo of the earlier scene of the squad pouring lead into the jungle. Eventually Schwarzenegger exploits the same hubris and bravado his team displayed earlier when he tricks the Predator - he lures it into an obvious trap and crushes it when it pauses to gloat over its superiority. The final face to face scene has Arnold and The Predator mutually asking each other "What the hell are you" because by that point in the movie, they've utterly switched roles. Predator is way too goddamn smart for a movie about Jesse Ventura talking how he ain't got time to bleed.
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MonsieurChoc posted:As I was designing it, it became "real" within the dream and started moving towards me with it's horrible appendages and I started trying to think of something else to make it go away. Having this same nightmare repeatedly was basically Geiger's reason for doing cocaine and why his art was why it was going by interviews with him and anecdotes from others during Alien's production on the special features.
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Wild T posted:The third act is when the film ventures into the Rambo-style Vietnam revisionism, except that Schwarzenegger turns into Colonel Kurtz instead of John Rambo.
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The other day I was wondering if Predator is really an action movie remake of Apocalypse Now, glad to see I'm not totally crazy.
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Anyone see Leviathan? Leviathan is a 1989 science fiction horror film directed by George P. Cosmatos and written by David Peoples and Jeb Stuart. It stars Peter Weller, Richard Crenna, Ernie Hudson, and Daniel Stern. It follows the crew of an underwater geological facility as they are stalked and killed by a hideous creature. Its basically alien 1 underwater. Underwater truckers. Main actor is the guy who played ROBOCOP!
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Wow, that's some cast. My favourite cyborg, Ghostbuster, Wet Bandit, and full-bird colonel all in one movie!
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punchymcpunch posted:Wow, that's some cast. My favourite cyborg, Ghostbuster, Wet Bandit, and full-bird colonel all in one movie! Leviathan is a neat movie, it's as if they put Alien, The Abyss, and The Thing in a blender. It's pretty schlocky but as long as you go in with the appropriate mindset and expectations, it's a good time. And if you want to do a schlock underwater monster movie double feature, pair it with DeepStar Six. 
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Man, so that movie is called DeepStar Six? I haven't seen the cover since the time of Blockbusters. I tried to remember what this movie cover was from and I always used to think it was The Abyss.
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I just remember the scene with the diving suit and Miguel Ferrer's character exploding from decompression.
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 This is all you need to know about Leviathan.
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DeepStar Six has such a better setup even though all it is a story that for some reason the navy is building deep sea missile bases. Leviathan's crew is just at the bottom of the sea violating safety protocol. My favorite part of DeepStar Six, So the navy leaves the crew a computer to tell them what to do. So they type in the creature is aggressive and the navy instructions are to blow up the missiles. Why in the hell the navy just give them the missiles while making the base? So they blow up all their nukes and it damages the base. The base for some reason is powered by nuclear power and is damaged starts to meltdown. WTF Navy how did that help anything? If you get attacked just pull a predator? Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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oldpainless posted:
I thought it was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X6rkW9UUaE
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An easy to mistake to make, Leviathan, DeepStar Six and The Abyss all came out in 1989, like Dante's Peak and Volcano both coming out in 1997, though amazingly DeepStar Six and Leviathan both beat The Abyss to the punch by several months.
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Neo Rasa posted:An easy to mistake to make, Leviathan, DeepStar Six and The Abyss all came out in 1989, like Dante's Peak and Volcano both coming out in 1997, though amazingly DeepStar Six and Leviathan both beat The Abyss to the punch by several months. Wikipedia mentions that there were 3 other similar underwater triller movies that also came out in 1989/1990 but I haven't seen them: The Rift, The Evil Below, and Lords of the Deep. 6 themed movies in roughly a year, is that a record?
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Xenomrph posted:Alien Resurrection has a lot of individual components that are really cool, even if the complete package has some issues and a lack of a coherent vision tying it all together. It's got the most memorable, quotable characters since 'Aliens', the practical effects are really impressive (the Newborn puppet, the failed Ripley clones), making Ripley part-Alien is a novel way to explore her character further, and the underwater/ladder sequence is a really well done action setpiece. The first hour or so is a passable action flick with a few genuinely enjoyable bits. It doesn't feel like an Alien movie though and the Ripley-alien hybrid twist at the end just sends it flying off the rails.
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Anos posted:The first hour or so is a passable action flick with a few genuinely enjoyable bits. It doesn't feel like an Alien movie though and the Ripley-alien hybrid twist at the end just sends it flying off the rails. What twist? Also when you say it doesn't feel like an Alien movie, what do you mean?
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Wild T posted:This is from a while back, but Predator is an incredible sendup of the eighties Vietnam revisionist trend. "Here we are again, bro. Just you and me. Same kind of moon, same kind of jungle." The point of Predator is not that it's Vietnam, but that it's archetypal. The moon and the jungle have been there since long before the dawn of man, and 'Vietnam' is just one of the latest names for them. Mac's line above, spoken to a corpse, predicts the end of the film - where we can imagine Dutch speaking those very same lines to the creature: "Whole platoon, 32 men chopped into meat. We walk out, just you and me - nobody else. Right on top, huh?" Here's something no-one really notices in Predator: Mac gets Dillon to turn around by pointing at the trees, then stabs at the scorpion crawling on his back. What people miss is that Mac's fake-out distraction points right at the real creature, who was silently hiding there the whole time. From the creature's perspective, Mac is pointing right at him, then callously stabbing the scorpion - displaying it. "Anytime." He contemplates this.
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Xenomrph posted:What twist? In the first 3 it feels like human beings in a horrible and scary situation. In Resurrection the characters are more like action-man tropes and caricatures with various gimmicks. It's fun and all but it's a departure from the previous movies. Aliens is probably most like Resurrection but the tone is still very different. The most intense action scenes were basically people being confused and scared shitless, spraying bullets into a dark room while being butchered. The marines aren't hyper realistic or anything but they also died like flies so there's still a sense of powerlessness and dread. Contrast with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Mf_nTyWBc That's action-man being a hardcore badass. That's fine but I can't think of anything resembling that in any of the previous movies. There's a guy on a ladder with a shotgun-dwarf strapped to his back while another guy is hanging upside down dual wielding laser guns at an alien that is literally dodging bullets BLLAAARRGH DIE MOTHERFUCKER. Cut straight to comedy spider scene. It's fun and colorful action but that's IMO not characteristic for the franchise. The twist is the Alien-Ripley hybrid which I think was completely unnecessary but to each his own. Bates fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:"Here we are again, bro. Just you and me. Same kind of moon, same kind of jungle." This poo poo is so much better than "well in the official Predator handbook blah blah blah" because it's also an insight into the thought processes of the actual people making the movie instead of an insight to a bunch of sweaty nerds trying to fit any little detail mentioned by the movie into their cramped continuity boxes. I'd rather disseminate what McTiernan and Black were going for than learning the technical name of the Predator's loving med pack.
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ruddiger posted:This poo poo is so much better than "well in the official Predator handbook blah blah blah" because it's also an insight into the thought processes of the actual people making the movie instead of an insight to a bunch of sweaty nerds trying to fit any little detail mentioned by the movie into their cramped continuity boxes. I'd rather disseminate what McTiernan and Black were going for than learning the technical name of the Predator's loving med pack.  Or to quote someone else's post that was directed at you: Clipperton posted:Do you think you have it in you to make one constructive or interesting post itt? It's cool if you don't And speaking of constructive... Anos posted:In the first 3 it feels like human beings in a horrible and scary situation. In Resurrection the characters are more like action-man tropes and caricatures with various gimmicks. It's fun and all but it's a departure from the previous movies. Aliens is probably most like Resurrection but the tone is still very different. The most intense action scenes were basically people being confused and scared shitless, spraying bullets into a dark room while being butchered. The marines aren't hyper realistic or anything but they also died like flies so there's still a sense of powerlessness and dread. As for the hybrid, you mean the white Newborn alien, right? You're not talking about how Ripley herself is something of a hybrid? I never really saw the Newborn as a "twist", at least not any more so than, say, having the Queen show up at the end of 'Aliens'. The movie sort of foreshadows it, too, although it's not as on-the-nose about it as 'Aliens' (director's cut) is with the Queen. The movie establishes that Ripley took significant genetic material from the Queen, so it stands to reason that it was a two way street. I didn't like the Newborn at first, but I've grown to appreciate it over the years. On a purely technical level it's a really visually interesting animatronic that's amazingly expressive, and it has this sort of tragic Brundlefly-esque design (albeit without Brundlefly's asymmetry). You get this real sense that the Newborn is an unnatural creation that's trying to figure out what it is and where it fits into the world, and it outright rejects its Alien origins much like Ripley rejects her human origins through much of the movie. From the way it moves and emotes you can tell it's a being of reason very different from the regular Aliens, which act out of instinct and reason driven to preserve and propagate the species even at the expense of the individual. The Newborn's actions are all about the individual, right up to the point where it recognizes that Ripley betrayed it, and it recognizes its own mortality as it dies.
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Anos posted:Contrast with this jesus i forgot about the alien matrix dodging bullets. lol what a poo poo movie
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zVxTeflon posted:jesus i forgot about the alien matrix dodging bullets. lol what a poo poo movie I'm more impressed how that character could even think that was the best idea and or why he missed every single shot. When the acid blinds him, it is the worst cg ever.
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Tenzarin posted:I'm more impressed how that character could even think that was the best idea and or why he missed every single shot. When the acid blinds him, it is the worst cg ever. Woof yeah. I haven't seen Resurrection in forever and now I remember why.
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The CG acid, the bullets moving so slow you can see them move as if it's matrix-time, and the whole tone of that scene have destroyed the tiny itchy I had to maybe give that movie another chance since it first came out.
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I probably won't watch it again until I eventually upgrade my Alien Anthology DVD set to the Quadrilogy blu ray. I'm not going to sit through it if I can't at least have the Jeunet visuals in the best possible quality. That Quadrilogy blu ray is pretty cheap these days, I should just go for it.
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Basebf555 posted:I probably won't watch it again until I eventually upgrade my Alien Anthology DVD set to the Quadrilogy blu ray. I'm not going to sit through it if I can't at least have the Jeunet visuals in the best possible quality. If you're looking for it, you've got the names backwards - the DVD is the Quadrilogy, and the bluray is the Anthology. Also if price is a factor, look into the UK release (Amazon.co.uk, etc). I actually have the UK version because it was cheaper at the time I bought it, it's not region-locked, and the disc contents are identical. The packaging is a little different but it's still good. The bluray set is worth the upgrade for Aliens and Alien3 alone - Aliens looks incredible, and the Assembly Cut of Alien3 has been further restored and enhanced from the DVD version (going so far as to get the original actors to come back and record new ADR for the added scenes). Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Paolomania posted:There does seem to be a bit of Apocalypse Now in the third act, but why Kurtz and not Willard, what with the mud paint and murdering rather than cult leading. It had more to do with Kurtz's speeches in Apocalypse Now about realizing that the NVA were unbeatable unless the US was willing to become just as brutal and amoral. Dutch recognizes that his team has repeatedly failed because they stuck to what they knew. Only after his friends and equipment are stripped away and he's literally regressed to a caveman can he accept and adopt his enemy's tactics. I think it's another interesting point that the word 'predator' is never used. The first time it strikes, it's only referred to as "The Jungle." It's a living embodiment of the US's failed tactics and hubris that proved futile against an undefined enemy. In the final act Dutch coats himself in mud, fashions weapons from the trees and literally incorporates The Jungle into himself.
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The thing that I always thought was cool about Apocalypse Now is that outside of a photo at the beginning of the film, that is all you basically see of Kurtz for the whole movie. I basically went through the whole film not even sure if Kurtz even existed anymore.
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blackguy32 posted:The thing that I always thought was cool about Apocalypse Now is that outside of a photo at the beginning of the film, that is all you basically see of Kurtz for the whole movie. I basically went through the whole film not even sure if Kurtz even existed anymore. A cursory Google search brings up a few articles about it: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/telluride-francis-ford-coppola-spills-729281 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55bf66e1e4b06363d5a29e84
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Basebf555 posted:I probably won't watch it again until I eventually upgrade my Alien Anthology DVD set to the Quadrilogy blu ray. I'm not going to sit through it if I can't at least have the Jeunet visuals in the best possible quality. You better hurry. It's out of print.
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