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I'm enjoying Palace of the Dead so far. Floors 1-50 aren't supposed to be terribly hard, so it's a nice chill ride. I imagine they'll get a lot tougher and more engaging with the release of further floors and enemies/bosses with serious mechanics, etc.
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Chyea posted:Palace of the Dead is Diadem. It's not as hideously time consuming and soul crushinging monotonous though. It's not exactly the pinnacle of challenge, but hey, seems like something you can have fun goofing off with buddies doing. Try some sort of dumb theme teams, do a no healers run and see if it's possible to clear.
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Jul 20, 2016 05:27
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Really though, Palace has a nice aesthetic and I appreciate what they're trying to do with the content by allowing sub-60s to level with it. However, it has some glaring flaws that I think hold it back from being great. Stuff like RNG silver chests, aetherpool randomly not affecting your gear, and plain trash mobs just make it tedious. Things I'd change to make it slightly better: Aetherpool stats goes up by 1 automatically each time you clear the 50th floor, halting respawn of mobs with a bonus silver chest if you clear all the mobs on the floor,silver chests take the place of gold chests with gold chests now granting aetherpool stacks and silver giving items (cosmetic change but it doesn't make sense the way it is now), pillars that activate/deactivate floor buffs and debuffs, floors wherein all party members are transformed into creatures for a unique challenge. Chyea fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 20, 2016 05:27
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Kinda salty that I literally have to rerun 1-20 with pubbies because I didn't get enough silver chests to raise my gear high enough to go to the next floor. What is the point of that?
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Jul 20, 2016 05:34
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"it's chill content I can do at an easy pace with friends or while shooting poo poo" is exactly what people said about Diadem also
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Jul 20, 2016 05:38
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Anyway, I'm off it. Palace is fine content that has its purpose, I just wish it broke the mold a little more.
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Jul 20, 2016 05:42
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I hope they add PotD to the DF so Quarrymill stops being a clusterfest, but other than that I don't mind it. Duoed with a friend to 20 so far.
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Jul 20, 2016 05:56
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What's the rough exp payout for pre50s? Have a friend coming back soon who wants to level SCH from 35 in it.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:00
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ApplesandOranges posted:I hope they add PotD to the DF so Quarrymill stops being a clusterfest, but other than that I don't mind it. Duoed with a friend to 20 so far. Duoing seems like a fun idea. I'd love to do that. I ran outta time this attempt on the level 20 boss solo lol
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Jul 20, 2016 06:12
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Chyea posted:"it's chill content I can do at an easy pace with friends or while shooting poo poo" is exactly what people said about Diadem also Well, anything is better than parking in one spot like in Diadem. PotD could stand to use more connections between rooms, the back tracking is kinda tedious.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:15
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Chyea posted:"it's chill content I can do at an easy pace with friends or while shooting poo poo" is exactly what people said about Diadem also Is it? Because I seem to remember someone saying that hardcore world-first serious business raiders were being forced by S-E to run Diadem in order to optimize their random gear drops and acquire perfectly statted gear in order to be competitive.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:15
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Kortel posted:What's the rough exp payout for pre50s? Have a friend coming back soon who wants to level SCH from 35 in it. I think it gives like 60% of a level per set of 10 floors. I didn't actually keep track of numbers, but I started as a level 35 DRK and did the first 20 floors twice, then 21-30 once, and ended up at level 38.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:18
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It seems like it'll be much better once everyone stops trying to do full clears of every map and realize that you only need to kill like 20% of the mobs to actually get to the goal.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:19
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Your Dead Gay Son posted:Duoing seems like a fun idea. I'd love to do that. WAR/WHM is probably the safest option as far as I can tell. WAR gets an off-GCD stun and damage rises up drastically post-54, WHM has a Sleep option. Clemency on PLD is cool but it gets it way too late. AST's a viable healer option as well due to cards and better sustainability (Spire's great for once on a long boss fight as a tank). BRD might be a nice pick as well for late dungeon crawling because of its ability to cleanse + status protection every 45s, and Swiftsong lets you race through the dungeon to other rooms if needed. MCH is probably far and away the weakest soloing/duo option.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:22
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Got this gem, totally unprompted, after joining a mostly empty LDR in progress (cutter's cry)some dickhead posted:[12:59 a.m.](Severinya Q'asari) I only do full clears
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Jul 20, 2016 06:26
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I got to floor 19 with a +0 weapon because silver chests refused to drop. That was pretty awful. It was also silly trying to hold hate off a healer with a +13 weapon pre Defiance when a single Stone II generates as much enmity as about two and a half Skull Sunder combos at that weapon level disparity. What I'm saying is, the silver chests are a bit *too* random.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:26
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hobbesmaster posted:It seems like it'll be much better once everyone stops trying to do full clears of every map and realize that you only need to kill like 20% of the mobs to actually get to the goal.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:27
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Kinda salty that I literally have to rerun 1-20 with pubbies because I didn't get enough silver chests to raise my gear high enough to go to the next floor. What is the point of that? I had this happen too, was only +4 on my weapon but +11 on my armor so I went and soloed 1-10 as a SMN and took about 20 minutes but I was probably playing it safer than I needed to. First chest in the starting room on floor 1 boosted my weapon to +6. Where were you and the other dozen or so weapon chests my first run.  You also can't get above +7 on floors 1-10 apparently, since my +11 armor was yellowed out and once I hit +7 on my weapon all chests failed to upgrade it further.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:36
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POLICE CAR AUCTION posted:Got this gem, totally unprompted, after joining a mostly empty LDR in progress (cutter's cry) Oh boy, a full clear of Cutter's Cry! Well guess I don't have to take any sleeping pills tonight.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:37
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POLICE CAR AUCTION posted:Got this gem, totally unprompted, after joining a mostly empty LDR in progress (cutter's cry) Vote dismiss gets far too little use in this game.
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Jul 20, 2016 06:57
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POLICE CAR AUCTION posted:Got this gem, totally unprompted, after joining a mostly empty LDR in progress (cutter's cry) Please tell me you immediately unequipped all of your gear and told him you were happy to help.
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Jul 20, 2016 07:04
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the correct response is "brb changing to rogue"
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Jul 20, 2016 07:06
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Kortel posted:What's the rough exp payout for pre50s? Have a friend coming back soon who wants to level SCH from 35 in it. Rolled in as a naked rogue. Completed floors 1-50 in pugs. Got enough exp to go from 1 to 14. Whole thing took like 4 hours maybe and I got my aether weapon/armor up to 15/16. Not what I would call a leveling tool. Maybe it's better for higher levels. Not sure I want to grind out 30/30 It is fun for those who don't have every class at 50 and just want to see what the base jobs are like I guess. I think my problem is I just expected something a little more involved. As it is reminds me of kickstarter alpha roguelike games. Grats to anyone that enjoys it tho. Any content you enjoy is good content.
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Jul 20, 2016 07:18
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Chyea posted:Really though, Palace has a nice aesthetic and I appreciate what they're trying to do with the content by allowing sub-60s to level with it. However, it has some glaring flaws that I think hold it back from being great. Stuff like RNG silver chests, aetherpool randomly not affecting your gear, and plain trash mobs just make it tedious. Chyea posted:Anyway, I'm off it. Palace is fine content that has its purpose, I just wish it broke the mold a little more. Chyea posted:"it's chill content I can do at an easy pace with friends or while shooting poo poo" is exactly what people said about Diadem also Chyea posted:Really though, Palace has a nice aesthetic and I appreciate what they're trying to do with the content by allowing sub-60s to level with it. However, it has some glaring flaws that I think hold it back from being great. Stuff like RNG silver chests, aetherpool randomly not affecting your gear, and plain trash mobs just make it tedious. Chyea posted:I take it back. Palace of the Dead is worse than Diadem. I was delighted to receive your comments, and was especially pleased to read your kind words about Palace. It made me happy to know you feel at home with with the current content. We too enjoyed getting to know your opinions better. I have given the problem a lot of thought and hope that my comments will motivate people to take action. To make a difference I will need your continued words of encouragement, feedback, and introspective. Thank you again. ntan1 fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 20, 2016 07:27
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thanks senpai
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Jul 20, 2016 07:34
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sometimes you're a weird rear end chyea
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Jul 20, 2016 08:00
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POLICE CAR AUCTION posted:Got this gem, totally unprompted, after joining a mostly empty LDR in progress (cutter's cry) I like this person, its nice to have full clears once in a while why's everyone in such a hurry~
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Jul 20, 2016 08:14
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I mean, he can do full runs all he wants, even in cutter's cry that's what 3-4 extra pulls? Being a shitlord about it isn't nice tho. I always do a full run if I'm tank there's an "extra gil/xp for first timer" popup and the map is one of those where going into extra wings gives you the achievement. I say this and I've never had people complain. And often enough the guy with several 60s gets the sastasha achievement in one of the rooms too 
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Jul 20, 2016 08:28
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Cause true level 58 and these mobs are giving me 300 exp a kill 
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You're referring to the palace? The actual xp that is used outside potd is rewarded at the end of a 10 floor phase as a duty prize.
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Jul 20, 2016 09:02
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Unknown Quantity posted:POTD feels like they tried to do Aquapolis again but got it all wrong. Aquapolis is the fun kind of endless RNG fest. POTD is like rolling on an encounter table and getting nothing but empty hallways and exploding traps. It feels like someone got told what a roguelike is and then tried to build a game out of it without considering things like balance. You get people who are turning into a Manticore and 1 shotting entire floors, while other people can't get onto floor 11 because they have +0/+10, and then other people aren't seeing a silver chest for 5 floors and then the first two they see are a Mimic and one that blows up.
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Jul 20, 2016 09:12
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On that note I fully plan to bail on runs if I get 0 upgrades since I'm 25/25 and it doesn't make sense to clear floor 40-50 unless I have something to show for it, since it's the only thing that really gets me much progress so that's what the design of this place encourages.
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Chucat posted:It feels like someone got told what a roguelike is and then tried to build a game out of it without considering things like balance. I do wish they had gone with a more regular system for upgrading aetherpool weapon and armor, like every floor gives you +1 in one and then +1 in the other or something, so just progressing through the floors will let you keep going. Making people rerun the worst part of the experience, 1-30 or so, is not gonna do anyone any favors. At the same time, it's almost like clockwork how as soon as a new feature is implemented you can go to the goon thread and it's just full of people making GBS threads on it. At least Chyea admits that the content just wasn't designed for his section of the playerbase. We'll see if it gets hard enough to be interesting in the 150 other promised floors or not, but for now he's probably right about that.
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Jul 20, 2016 09:33
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:At the same time, it's almost like clockwork how as soon as a new feature is implemented you can go to the goon thread and it's just full of people making GBS threads on it. At least Chyea admits that the content just wasn't designed for his section of the playerbase. We'll see if it gets hard enough to be interesting in the 150 other promised floors or not, but for now he's probably right about that. I think people want to find stuff fun as a baseline, most people aren't going into this stuff thinking "Wow I want to hate it". But when it's really random and swingy content, it's really easy to just get a chain of bad experiences that just sours you to it.
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Jul 20, 2016 09:38
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:At the same time, it's almost like clockwork how as soon as a new feature is implemented you can go to the goon thread and it's just full of people making GBS threads on it. Mostly the things people have poo poo on were actually really problematic, i.e. Diadem, Lords of Verminion, and now (debateably) this. I mean sure I'm poopsocking it harder than people should, but there's not really any good reward scheme to keep me coming back except for the goal of getting to that +30/+30 aetherpool. And that's a pretty disgusting RNG-based grind that includes a big chunk of wasted time (floors 1-30) at the moment.
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Jul 20, 2016 10:40
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Basically I am running it to level up my alt jobs and get tomes for relic. If all you want is the weapons I can see PotD becoming a (more) tiresome grind. Looks like PotD is better received than diadem so we'll actually see it updated. An endless dungeon with actual challenge and rewards sounds like a dope concept.
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Jul 20, 2016 10:45
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Imo it is a nice way to learn or re-learn classes without having to deal with the tantrums some ppl throw over imperfect runs in the df
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Jul 20, 2016 11:27
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The independent leveling system is probably actually a big beta test for how they can handle the 4.0 skip and/or jump potion, though obviously with the xp curve tweaked and likely instructions every few levels or with each new skill
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Jul 20, 2016 11:35
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So i got far enough through the story on my WAR that i got to the first trial in HW. Yay, new content! I watched the intro cutscene (it was like 15 seconds), and in the meantime let party chat know that i was the bonus-giver. I get out of the cutscene and see only me and 3 DDs left. Then me and two DDs. Good to know nothing's changed since ARR
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People quit on Ravana? Why would anyone sane do that lmao
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