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Also, acting differently around the one you love is a thing that happens. For yona, it's wanting to be close to hak always and rely on him more than just as his duty demands, for hak, it's to jump yona's bones because he's a barely-restrained 
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Jul 18, 2016 16:23
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Woah, I'd forgotten about that. The misunderstandings..........
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I've kinda spread various posts about this around the forum but just to compile it all in one place: https://twitter.com/gateau_comic/status/752699340473327616 Hitorijime My Hero is getting an anime adaption of some sort. The CR article linked there has covers of the volumes as well, to at least see what the art looks like. At the time of the announcement, neither the prequel Hitorijime Boyfriend which had been licensed at one point by jmanga nor the manga in question were available to read anywhere that I could find. However! The anime announcement caused a disturbance in the fujoshi force and now both can be read on Mangago. Boyfriend is complete at one volume, I assume someone dug out the old jmanga translation, and Hero is a new project with a somewhat sketchy translation but they seem to be improving so I hope they stick with it. Anyway it's nice to see another BL anime adaption in the works; Super Lovers is also getting a second season and while both of these are somewhat sketchy in content it does make me hopeful that if they do well, more adaptions will be picked up and maybe they can finally move away from manga with less savory storylines and adapt better stuff. e: the prequel is not particularly good but introduces the friend and older brother who are in the other one so it's helpful for context at least, I was kinda lost reading the first chapter of the sequel without knowing who anyone was. The one being adapted is teacher x student, but from what I'm gathering about their backstory the younger guy is friends with the teacher's younger brother and they all knew each other before he became a teacher because he gets the job in the prequel. IMO the more distasteful issue is the lack of consent in the prequel relationship, I'm hoping that doesn't carry over to the sequel but wouldn't be surprised if it's still a problem. Everything Burrito fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Jul 18, 2016 19:30
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Everything Burrito posted:
Thanks, this is the first time I've heard about a new BL anime coming up soon. I feel ya since I'd like more BL adaptations but so far the title don't really interest me. Then again I suppose anything can be BL if people are determined enough  I wonder if more people support BL anime if it were closer to bromance?
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Jul 19, 2016 00:50
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Stanfield posted:Am I weird in that I really don't like the romance in Yona? I just think the rest of the story and characterisation is so interesting but as soon as a romance scene starts it becomes really boring and generic. Also to me it feels like both characters completely change for the worse in all their scenes together. Hak goes from being the aloof straight-man of the group to being super creepy, and Yona goes from being someone trying become independent and who gets annoyed when people treat her like a weak teenage girl to being really shy and unsure of herself. Maybe that's the point but it just seems out of place in contrast to the rest of the story. The love interest in shoujo comics being creepy is basically an ever-present trope. It's the sort of stuff that teenage girls think would be super romantic but in real life would just be weird and uncomfortable. I think of it like the shoujo version of the awkward fan-service that appears in shounen romantic comedies.
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Alder posted:Thanks, this is the first time I've heard about a new BL anime coming up soon. I feel ya since I'd like more BL adaptations but so far the title don't really interest me. Then again I suppose anything can be BL if people are determined enough I think you just answered your own question.
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Jul 19, 2016 06:46
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Strange Quark posted:I think you just answered your own question. 
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Jul 19, 2016 17:28
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I'd love to see Saiyaku Wa Boku O Suki Sugiru get an anime, because it looks like the kind of thing that would just be the usual bromance tease stuff but then it actually commits to being shounen ai and the main characters kiss.
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If you keep all that stuff to subtext, you avoid getting the questionable content prevalent in a lot of BL anime, the number one being consent issues, which makes the latter even more of a niche audience target.
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Jul 19, 2016 17:54
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Strange Quark posted:If you keep all that stuff to subtext, you avoid getting the questionable content prevalent in a lot of BL anime, the number one being consent issues, which makes the latter even more of a niche audience target. Eh is BL really that much of a niche audience? It's definitely not mainstream but there's some fans. Sometimes they have OVA adaptations.
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Alder posted:Eh is BL really that much of a niche audience? It's definitely not mainstream but there's some fans. Sometimes they have OVA adaptations. "Definitely not mainstream but there's some fans" -- is this not the very definition of niche?
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Strange Quark posted:"Definitely not mainstream but there's some fans" -- is this not the very definition of niche? I like to think of it as a step above niche. Now I just want another Free! season.
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The thing that puts me off of a lot of BL manga is that it seems like the vast majority is written with the intent of being titillating for a female audience (with the same applying to a lot of shoujo ai stuff being aimed at men, though it's not nearly as prevalent). So even though I'm sure there are some genuinely LGBT people who like it, it's generally just using homosexuality as a vehicle for the enjoyment of straight girls/women. I can't really articulate exactly why, but something about it bothers me. Sorta like if you had a bunch of fiction portraying black people that was predominantly created and consumed by white people. I don't think "appropriation" is exactly the right word, since it's not so much that aspects of LGBT identity/culture are being appropriated as it is that they're being created whole cloth by people who usually aren't even LGBT. To be clear, none of this really offends me or bothers me in a "I think it shouldn't exist" sense, but only in a way that prevents me from enjoying it personally.
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Ytlaya posted:The thing that puts me off of a lot of BL manga is that it seems like the vast majority is written with the intent of being titillating for a female audience (with the same applying to a lot of shoujo ai stuff being aimed at men, though it's not nearly as prevalent). So even though I'm sure there are some genuinely LGBT people who like it, it's generally just using homosexuality as a vehicle for the enjoyment of straight girls/women. I can't really articulate exactly why, but something about it bothers me. Sorta like if you had a bunch of fiction portraying black people that was predominantly created and consumed by white people. I don't think "appropriation" is exactly the right word, since it's not so much that aspects of LGBT identity/culture are being appropriated as it is that they're being created whole cloth by people who usually aren't even LGBT. Most yuri is made by women too. This was/is an issue with me enjoying it because a lot of it doesn't deal with gay issues at all (not even homophobia but the existence of a gay identity/community) Itoshi no Nekkoke is really good for this though and even acknowledges the importance of lube
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I think quite a few of the newer BL authors putting stuff out are moving more in that direction, I mean it's still more or less written by straight women for straight women but when I read older titles and compare them to newer works there's a big difference in the level of realism in both the artwork and the storylines and settings (at least that's the impression I get, but I also acknowledge my opinion doesn't mean poo poo all on a lot of that so I'm not trying to contradict anyone's impression otherwise).
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Ytlaya posted:
I understand as a part of me wishes that there's just greater representation in manga beyond BL/GL. Also coming to terms that I like a genre that has problematic themes and tropes. BTW: There's a genre of manga known as Bara which is aimed towards gay men but it's a bit of niche too. I don't think there's a GL equivalent though.
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Jul 20, 2016 05:08
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Shoujo is like the essence of problematic lol.
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The only problem is that there isn't more being translated. New Sukeban Deka is good. Nefarious deeds are afoot in Hells Fortress. http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Sukeban-Keiji/Vol-003-Ch-008-003--Return-to-Hell-s-Fortress--003-?id=301207
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Compendium posted:I'm suddenly sad about Wild Adapter  God, it felt like it was just starting to move towards the endgame too.
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Alder posted:I understand as a part of me wishes that there's just greater representation in manga beyond BL/GL. Also coming to terms that I like a genre that has problematic themes and tropes. The niche it's in is that it's all gay muscle porn
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Dreamy Souffle posted:Health issues... It's one of the few series with BL elements I was absolutely invested in and now it's forever lost in limbo and I will never know if Kubota and Tokito will be happy together eating leftover curry while the police and yakuza can gently caress off
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 You're telling me these men are gay? I'm in.
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Strange Quark posted:Shoujo is like the essence of problematic lol. Debatable between shoujo and josei for that distinction.
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This may have been posted before, but this is a pretty good interview with gay mangaka Gengoroh Tagame (known in this thread for Otouto no Otto and elsewhere for hardcore porn): http://mangacomicsmanga.com/tcaf-2015-gengoroh-tagame-talks-gay-manga-bara-bl-and-scanlation/ It touches on some of the stuff brought up here. I also just read gay manga overview Massive, which I got as part of a Humble Bundle. A lot of the mangaka interviewed said they wished they could draw stuff besides porn, but that's what the market expected of them. A few have drawn BL. Some don't like the term bara (rose), because it's archaic and derogatory, similar to pansy in English.
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Kusaru posted:This may have been posted before, but this is a pretty good interview with gay mangaka Gengoroh Tagame (known in this thread for Otouto no Otto and elsewhere for hardcore porn): http://mangacomicsmanga.com/tcaf-2015-gengoroh-tagame-talks-gay-manga-bara-bl-and-scanlation/ It touches on some of the stuff brought up here. Yeah, I think it was mentioned in Massive, but the Japanese term is geikomi ("gay comics"). EDIT: also, DisDisDis touched on it, but the reason why there's no yuri version of geikomi is that yuri started with and is largely drawn by women (a lot of whom are lesbians, just not necessarily out) and although a lot of it is formally categorized as being for guys, I'm not convinced the audience is primarily guys (although that definitely varies with publication and author). jellycat fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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New Tamen De Gushi
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jellycat posted:Yeah, I think it was mentioned in Massive, but the Japanese term is geikomi ("gay comics"). The Yurihime readership is around 70% women
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Davincie posted:The Yurihime readership is around 70% women The main source on that seems to be a survey conducted back when Yuri Hime S (the male-targeted offshoot) was still a separate magazine. Now that they've merged the figures might be a bit different, but at any rate there's a very significant percentage of women.
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Man, Qiu Tong's mom must be really loving loaded
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Ugh just kiss already, feels like I've been reading this for years now
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Let's hope things don't stretch out.
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chumbler posted:Let's hope things don't stretch out. 
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