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Endorph posted:id play a thousand nep games before i played another chrono trigger-inspired rpg It's clear you're being facetious but then you have some really bad opinions on JRPGs so
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Davincie posted:no theres a fair amount of side quests that require a lot of skipping through dialogue and walking to reach like the 3 or so that have parts that take place while you infiltrate the city with the beastmen musical troupe and all of the ones at that little village that you get to after a city gets set on fire There's absolutely places you have to skip dialogue but not like 20 minutes and a forced boss fight for a bunch of sidequests.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:50
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I loved RH but it definitely felt like a proof of concept game that could use a sequel to simply refine its mechanics. What they had there, while still very fun, could have been so much better.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:51
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chrono trigger is pretty good i think, it has a fun cast and lots of really cool character moments, the main plot is a pretty fun time travel adventure thing, but gameplay-wise i got really really worn out with it because the combat just feels ridiculously slow
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Jul 20, 2016 16:52
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Endorph posted:id play a thousand nep games before i played another chrono trigger-inspired rpg On the other hand nep games are worthless garbage while Chrono trigger is a fantastic game and an all time classic.
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Phantasium posted:I like it but the constant pointless dialog choices are annoying me. Yeah, I'm not really sure what the point of those is. I don't necessarily expect my dialog choices to have any actual effects in a game like this. I wish they'd just made Endir a regular silent protagonist and been done with it. I definitely don't want him to have actual dialog--I'd be terrified he'd just be generically "cool" and "dark" for most of the game--but the dialog choices just, eh. They're unnecessary.
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I'm not being facetious at all. Chrono Trigger is a 5/10 game. It's super impressive for its time in terms of sprite animation and music and stuff but there's only two interesting characters in the game and they both gently caress off for the middle portion of it, the plot is really boring outside of Magus's subplot, and combat consists of spamming the same three/four attacks with way too long animations.
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pesonally, it's not that i dislike chrono trigger, but if i was given the choice between replaying it or replaying shadow hearts, which is about the same length, i'd probably go for shadow hearts
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Jul 20, 2016 16:53
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Time travel as a world building device is an incredibly loving novel idea.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:54
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Chrono Trigger is an excellent game but it does get overrated. The combat genuinely isn't very good on its own merits. It has extremely cool ideas (double/triple techs) but those ideas are poorly executed and rarely meaningful. The presentation is great but a lot of the coolest elements are actually at the very tail end of the game or locked behind NG+. It's a problem with a lot of classics. It absolutely is a classic both in terms of tone, how it influenced the genres, and general quality, but that means people go "literally everything about this is perfect" and any criticism of CT's flaws comes across as saying it is a bad game. This is actually part of why Setsuna isn't very good. Rather than focusing on what CT did well it tries to mimic its mechanics without understanding that... honestly CT didn't have great mechanics except insomuch as they had neat ideas.
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Endorph posted:I'm not being facetious at all. Chrono Trigger is a 5/10 game. It's super impressive for its time in terms of sprite animation and music and stuff but there's only two interesting characters in the game and they both gently caress off for the middle portion of it, the plot is really boring outside of Magus's subplot, and combat consists of spamming the same three/four attacks with way too long animations. Even if you weren't full of poo poo, 2 interesting characters and good spritework are better than zero interesting characters and lovely 3D + pulsating jailbait anime girls. Also complaining about spamming the same attacks with long animations when some of the animations in Nepgames are long as poo poo and you repeat the same 1-2 throughout a whole game is p funny.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:55
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Verranicus posted:pulsating jailbait anime girls 
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Jul 20, 2016 16:55
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I mean Suikoden 2 is and always will be the best JRPG.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:56
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if you killed magus instead of accepting him into your cool guy crew, you're a failure at playing jrpgs
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Jul 20, 2016 16:56
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I hate Neptunia and all the compile heart games but that's because I hate that type and style of presentation and writing. And a turn-based system has to be absurdly polished and not look budgeted to overcome that, which the compile games aren't.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:57
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I at least find a good chunk of the nep cast funny and likable, and the later nep games take big steps to improving the combat and making it less spammy/making animations faster. And I was legitimately more interested in a good chunk of the nep games' plots than I ever was in Chrono Trigger's. And I like tsunako's artstyle, it's very colorful and cute. the graphics in nep aren't great though, yeah.
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Verranicus posted:I mean Suikoden 2 is and always will be the best JRPG. Suikoden 2 doesn't have a sassy goomba girl with a cool hat.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:57
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I like Suikoden 2 a fair bit but even with how fast the combat it is it still needs to be a little faster for how rote it is, and inventory management is a huge pain in that game. And it doesn't really take advantage of the big number of characters you can put in your party when the combat's so simple that they're mostly functionally identical. Good game though.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:59
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Suggestions for a rpg where stats barely matter (besides maybe giving you better/more dialog options) and you are basically playing a well-written story? I don't want to have to worry about min-maxing, looking up character development trees, or basically making many decisions about my actual stats. Planescape: torment is probably the obvious choice, but what besides that?
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Jul 20, 2016 17:00
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Chrono Trigger is in fact, not that good I will say it's good that it's only a 20 hours game that doesn't overstay its welcome
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Jul 20, 2016 17:02
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You've always been able to skip animations in Nep games, I think? And again yeah, Megadimension Neptunia VII has greater emphasis on buffs, debuffs and positioning your characters in battles and your special attacks can be used per battle now instead of per dungeon, which means you're spamming the same attacks over and over again much less. This coupled with actual level designs for dungeons instead of the same half-assed dungeons over and over again are why I'd say it's the first actual good game in the series, though you'll still hate it if you don't like the characters and humor. I won't defend the gameplay of the older Nep games though.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:02
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i'm gonna play chrono cross when i'm done with shadow hearts 2
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Jul 20, 2016 17:03
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What I've seen of the original Neptunia looks genuinely horrific, but VII makes it look like test footage (even more so than it already does, because yikes).
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Jul 20, 2016 17:04
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Motto posted:What I've seen of the original Neptunia looks genuinely horrific, but VII makes it look like test footage (even moreso than it already does, because yikes). re;birth's combat isn't very good but it's still probably better than the first game because at the very least most attacks animate way faster and it actually visually looks better, too
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Jul 20, 2016 17:05
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All Compile Heart games are poo poo.
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Tae posted:I hate Neptunia and all the compile heart games but that's because I hate that type and style of presentation and writing. And a turn-based system has to be absurdly polished and not look budgeted to overcome that, which the compile games aren't. I find the Neptunia games to be a mechanical disaster, even the supposedly 'good' ones which only manage to be good in that the combat is fast and ignorable enough you can overlook the fact it's a garbage fire behind the scenes. And I don't mind the occasional poor mechanical game if it makes up for it with other elements but Neptunia has genuinely bad art design. The character designs are genuinely whatever/give-and-take but the level and environment design is awful. Like straight-up terrible both in graphical quality and environmental design. The dungeon design is extremely weak and the layout of areas in stuff like Rebirth is just designed to increase tedium. I can understand why people like it for the humor but I just don't find them worth playing from an actual gameplay perspective unless what you're looking for is fast shiny JRPG combat involves cute anime girls and even there I'd recommend like two or three other franchises before Neptunia.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:06
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Verranicus posted:All Compile Heart games are poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV1fUwKMdAI
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Jul 20, 2016 17:07
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i think the character design in neptunia is really good, and i like some of the cute details in the company/game cameo character designs
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If you don't like chrono trigger I don't even know why you are in this thread because you obviously don't like rpgs
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The Colonel posted:i'm gonna play chrono cross when i'm done with shadow hearts 2 A wise decision. It's a good game. The Colonel posted:if you killed magus instead of accepting him into your cool guy crew, you're a failure at playing jrpgs Magus has the rather unique distinction (in my experience, anyway) of being both the best hero and the best villain of a game.
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Indecisive posted:If you don't like chrono trigger I don't even know why you are in this thread because you obviously don't like rpgs This is a good post and I agree with it.
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Indecisive posted:If you don't like chrono trigger I don't even know why you are in this thread because you obviously don't like rpgs  "
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are we actually doing this right now
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:You don't get to be a cool goon unless you constantly reaffirm "actually (popular thing) is bad The "you don't like x because it's popular" thing is really stupid by the way
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Jul 20, 2016 17:13
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Chrono Trigger is, in fact, very good.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:14
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ImpAtom posted:It's a problem with a lot of classics. It absolutely is a classic both in terms of tone, how it influenced the genres, and general quality, but that means people go "literally everything about this is perfect" and any criticism of CT's flaws comes across as saying it is a bad game. This thread's plot is too predictable.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:15
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popular thing i like: final fantasy vii
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The Colonel posted:if you killed magus instead of accepting him into your cool guy crew, you're a failure at playing jrpgs I killed him once to see what happened but immediately reloaded my save game
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Sakurazuka posted:I killed him once to see what happened but immediately reloaded my save game you have already committed the act, there is no way to undo your mistake no matter how many times you reload your save
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Speaking of JRPGs I've never really played: am I missing out on anything by not having played any of the Atelier games? I'm considering grabbing the Vita version of Escha/Logy once I finish Setsuna.
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