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Einbauschrank posted:It started with my claim that Islam offers a redemption narrative for people who want to make a dramatic exit from life by killing unbelievers. And I'm not disputing that it does offer that, I just don't agree that this is terribly unique. Yes I am not terribly well-versed in theology, but even if they don't share this exact "redemption narrative", I would say history has shown that every major religion has some kind of theological foundation that has been been twisted to whatever degree to justify conquest and fanaticism. And that's the point. Using your own Civ 5 analogy, religions are ALSO not a concrete unflexible moral foundation for every single person who practices some faith that claims to be based on a specific prophet, holy text or myth. What matters much more, I believe, is whether someone lives in a stable environment and goes to their place of worship out of a sense of community and tradition or if they live in poverty/ignorance and/or in a bomb crater and follow a psychopath using his own crazy head religion as a means to feel like a big man. quote:My point being that a religion whose founder killed nonbelievers is easier to offer you this narrative than one whose founder died on the cross after refusing to be defended by his followers ("He who draws the sword ..."). It is even easier if you do not approach it with a theological background but consider that most terrorists have no intellectual background but adopt a "WYSIWYG" approach when reading the Quran.] Well, to quote the False Prophet herself, what difference, at this point, does it make? Christians throughout history haven't been non-violent hippies no matter what Jesus taught, and both Christians and Muslims (and all the others) have been killing in the name of God for many centuries. The specifics are different, sure, like the way translations of the holy texts and access to them were handled, but if it's used to justify a feudal or absolutist regime or a violent mob, does it really matter if King Skullcrusher claims that he follows the teachings of Pacifus the Pansy? quote:I am no fan of bringing National-Socialism into this, because it is always a bad sign if you need National-Socialism to make another ideology appear less toxic. But to play along: I don't think as many Germans identify with Hitler as Muslims do identify with Mohammed, e.g. So if Mohammed is a problematic historical person, then the uncritical adolation of Mohammed even by many mainstream Muslims is a potential source of problems. It's not like only Jihadists find it tasteless that Mohammed is depicted in cartoons. Even though there is little theological basis for a taboo concerning him. It was not my intent to make a comparison. My point is that a person I knew and loved lived (as a typical Mitläufer from what I've heard) under a crazy person with fanatic followers who used crude theses as an excuse to force his will unto the world. If something like that can be established in such a short time and so many people jump at the opportunity to be exert power over others or buy into the narrative, how are the specifics of the ancient original traditions of a religion that important? Do you think all Muslims have always interpreted the Quran the exact same way and their gameplay penalty is that they can never be peaceful? Do you think when they "identify" with Mohammed that means the same thing to all of them (like loving Jesus means exactly the same to every Christian, right?)? And maybe the nazi part of what I said isn't even what's important. It's more that ignorance, xenophobia and traditionalism based on religion is something that has been a part of Christian culture until very recently (and obviously still is in many places), and pointing at billions of people saying their cultural heritage is to blame that they are not as developed as the pacifist West is kiiiind of arrogant and short-sighted. Which leads me to this question: Do you believe these inherent traits of Islam are clearly just as or more responsible for current international events than historical and political factors as, well, the Middle-East being a warzone while Western Europe and America aren't?
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I have answered to the rest above but I didn't have time to address the last partEinbauschrank posted:his is why I am so annoyed at people treating Islam like a Christian sect. Our laws - including the basic law - concerning religion are based on the unspoken assumption of Christian churches. And as we have an unfortunate partnership between the German state and the Christian churches, which guarantees that the churches are responsible for the training of school teachers and theologians, we run risk of applying this model to Islam - thereby opening the door for Ditib and Saudi sponsored salafists. To make it short, I think the reactionary front will remain in any case. Its defensiveness is ingrained through the societal conflicts in Europe, much less through actual, true, informed religious issues. Furthermore, the danger of becoming a target for reactionaries is frankly inconsequentially small. What we need to understand in Germany is that Ditib or worse already control 99% of all mosques in Germany. As a German Muslim, it is virtually impossible to find reformists/modernists venues and one, more or less, has to slide and conform to those standards. An while Ditib controls many mosques, those are not the ones Germans usually go to because, surprise, everything is in Turkish. Consider this: you are a young German guy, you read the Koran on your own, you want to go to a Mosque. Where do you go? Turkish congregations are quite frankly not very friendly places for outsiders, my experience. Besides, you don't speak Turkish. Do you know what will most likely be the single only option to exchange your ideas and talk to likeminded people? Pierre Vogel and similar groups! Why the hell is this the case? Why do Salafists and conservative Sunnis have the almost "alleinige Deutungshoheit" in Germany in all matter Islam? THIS is a problem. Not making a bunch of Salafis angry imo they angry anyway
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Libluini posted:"Angeblich" is the keyword here. The video has been confirmed to be authentic. There are some reports that he was radicalized by his friend dying in Afghanistan a few weeks ago. Should that be the case, I'd argue that the situation is even more dire, because that can happen to nearly every refugee.
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GaussianCopula posted:The video has been confirmed to be authentic. Should'nt we detain and process all the remaining refugees right away? What if something happens and you were the guy that made it NOT happen?
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Randler posted:I'd like to point out that the Würzburg attack could have been avoided by nuking Bavaria off the face of the earth. Considering Saudi Bavaria is bordered by Swabians, Schluchtenscheissers and Ossis, nothing of value would be lost to the bombing or fallout.
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Randler posted:I'd like to point out that the Würzburg attack could have been avoided by nuking Bavaria off the face of the earth.
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Also this:blowfish posted:Considering Saudi Bavaria is bordered by Swabians, Schluchtenscheissers and Ossis, nothing of value would be lost to the bombing or fallout.
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Rushputin posted:And I'm not disputing that it does offer that, I just don't agree that this is terribly unique. Most people in Western Europe aren't ill educated religious people. Unlike those who have been immigrating from the Middle East and North Africa in the recent time. And they happen to be Muslims. Radical Islam - like nationalism or racism - has proven to be an exit option for losers of modern society, be they immigrants or converts. Native Germans usually flock to Socialism or Racism if they are ill adjusted losers bent on re-establishing their self-esteem, but some have also converted to radical Islam, because collectivist ideologies are the best escape route for individual losers. Immigrants tend to stick to radical Islam. quote:The specifics are different, sure, like the way translations of the holy texts and access to them were handled, but if it's used to justify a feudal or absolutist regime or a violent mob, does it really matter if King Skullcrusher claims that he follows the teachings of Pacifus the Pansy? If you separate the idea from the valley of sorrows it matters. You might as well imagine a society where Nazism is a practiced in a peaceful way, but you'd still consider it a moronic ideology at its core. quote:It was not my intent to make a comparison. My point is that a person I knew and loved lived (as a typical Mitläufer from what I've heard) under a crazy person with fanatic followers who used crude theses as an excuse to force his will unto the world. If it weren't for "a person I knew and loved" I couldn't tell whether you were speaking of Mohammed or Hitler. Because both are pototypes of "charismatische Persönlichkeit" who didn't succeed in their native society and had to go into exile to find a bunch of dummies who followed them before bringing war unto the world. quote:Do you think all Muslims have always interpreted the Quran the exact same way and their gameplay penalty is that they can never be peaceful? Do you think when they "identify" with Mohammed that means the same thing to all of them (like loving Jesus means exactly the same to every Christian, right?)? Of course not. Just like not every German interpreted "Mein Kampf" the same way and every piece of art has a different impression on the spectator. But there is something in every creation that is imbued by the creator and what Mohammed put into the Quran is different from whatever the team of authors that created the New Testament wrote or what Hubbard invented. quote:It's more that ignorance, xenophobia and traditionalism based on religion is something that has been a part of Christian culture until very recently (and obviously still is in many places), and pointing at billions of people saying their cultural heritage is to blame that they are not as developed as the pacifist West is kiiiind of arrogant and short-sighted. The best thing about the Christian origins of our pluralistic society is that it laid the foundation for it and was a vessel for more refined and secular ideas. I am no fan of Christendom as I consider the idea of Zombie Jesus as stupid as an angel strangling a prophet to relevate God's will to him. Religion is in my opinion an outflow of dualistic thinking, which is the default option of the human mind looking at the world. It takes a more refined society to unburden itself from the shackles of dualism and Christian faith had it in it (like Christ being of two natures or the separation of realms) to facilitate this quantum leap (yeah, I know what it means ...). Islam is still struggling with it, Muslim sects like the Sufi who have been influenced by non-Islamic ideas seem to be able to emancipate themselves best from the shortcomings of the original faith. The mainstream Shi'a and Sunni have shown little progress over the last centuries. That's why I agree with Bone Slaem that a reformation of Islam probably has to come from without. At the same time I fear that the conservative forces of Islam are stronger. quote:Which leads me to this question: Do you believe these inherent traits of Islam are clearly just as or more responsible for current international events than historical and political factors as, well, the Middle-East being a warzone while Western Europe and America aren't? I definitely think that the human mind (no dualism, it resides in grey matter) is able to overcome shortcomings. But some ideas are prone to lock societies in a collective gridlock of stagnation and self-injury. I wouldn't blame Islam for all and everything of it, but I wouldn't rule out that a religion that is founded on violence and "stick to the letter" teaching has a negative impact on the dynamics of a society. Islam was able to whitewash its shortcomings as long as it could conquer less static societies and live off the taxes of the conquered, but with the slowing expansion and the conversion of many subjugated people Islamic societies lost their tax base and turned into "rent seeking societies" or cleptocracies. This seems to be a big problem for many Muslim societies of the Middle East until today. Einbauschrank fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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waitwhatno posted:And then it happened with an axe ... a cheap souvenir fantasy axe ... with dragons and tits on it. You can't make that poo poo up. Decadent Gayropa will sell us the axe with which we will behead the infidels who claim Islam is violent. And, BTW, it seems like the "Afghani" "refugee" was from Pakistan, according to Zeit. I'm now pretty sure he wasn't a teen but simply lied his way into Germany.
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Randler posted:I'd like to point out that the Würzburg attack could have been avoided by nuking Bavaria off the face of the earth. blowfish posted:Considering Saudi Bavaria is bordered by Swabians, Schluchtenscheissers and Ossis, nothing of value would be lost to the bombing or fallout. Framing these posts as works of art.
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Welp, conservative politicians fake a PhD, social-democrats fake an Abitur. They really are the party of the ordinary people.
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Boner Slaem posted:Why the hell is this the case? I'd say because Sunnis and Shi'ites make up 90% of the Muslim population and most of them are conservative. The Alevites on the other hand are secular, but being secular probably don't care as much about religion in politics as the national-conservative ditib Trojans or the Salafists do. I'd not underestimate the "extremism of mainstream Islam". Just because you're not willing to kill people doesn't mean you aren't a reactionary opposed to liberal values. The results of a recent wzb survey are rather sobering. https://www.wzb.eu/de/pressemitteilung/islamischer-religioeser-fundamentalismus-ist-weit-verbreitet Boner Slaem posted:I am not sure I understand what you mean in "roots of Islam". The roots of Islam, and being a Muslim, is the belief in God and doing of good deeds because of it. Everything else is Sunni or Shia tradition to a point. Muhammed had vision from Gabriel exclusively to receive the Koran, not to guide his actions as a nation leader. As you see I am very critical of saint worship in Islam, and although a study of Muhammeds life is important for every Muslim, it has to be done very specifically in the historical context. By "roots" I mean the historic circumstances when Mohammed wrote the Quran. Like every other text, the circumstances and the author of the Quran are important to interpret it. People might believe it is indeed a holy book coming directly from Allah, but this would violate the Rationalitätspostulat as if were New Year's Eve in Cologne all over again. quote:But he was human so who knows? If one accepts that Mohammed was only human, the most probable explanation is,that he wasn't visited by an archangel and wasn't a prophet but simply suffered from hallucinations. quote:I think as when it comes to killing civilians, the Koran is abundantly clear: nope. I think the situation Mohammed was in would allow for the greatest amount of violence: Since only the Koran was directly divinely inspired to him, and the Koran makes statements about his specific situation. That's very convenient for Mohammed as his specific situation is the only that mattered to him and he was able to make ad hoc modifications. quote:Frankly, following Mohammed here is wrong, because you are not the prophet. It sounds insane to me to detach the actions of a human leader from the historical context. Many Muslims think the same and many think different. Could you quantify what "many" means in each context? quote:I have to correct you of course: Islam doesn't have to change, the Muslims do. But I get what you mean. It depends on how you mean it. Do you think Islam exists independently of its believers? Because I do not think we will agree on this point. Like every other idea Islam is a construction of the human mind, so Muslims changing their views will result in Islam changing. If it is pure semantics and you mean that ideas have no agency, only people: OK. quote:Islamic churches have to have the same rights and responsibilities as Christian churches in Germany. Which churches would that be? Is the ditib a church? quote:It needs to be received by people ACTUALLY from our society with values actually from our society. And I do not believe they are Christian, because I am from this society and I am not Christian, and I have those values ingrained into me. It is difficult to separate the religious contents from philosophical contents and it is even more difficult to be socialized in Germany without coming into contact with some values derived (or in opposition) to Christianity. So it seems premature to me to claim you have no values derived from Christianity in you. There are Kulturmuslime after all, I don't see why there shouldn't be Kulturchristen as well. az posted:Can't wait for the inevitable fake Hauptschulabschluss that'll bring down the AfD. Didn't you read the thread? The AfD equivalent would be a faked Ingenieur (FH) degree.
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All this Islam talk distracts from the true culprits. The guy who actually swing the axe and those American fuckers whose foreign policy continually adds timber to the garbage fire that is the Middle East.
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Einbauschrank posted:If one accepts that Mohammed was only human, the most probable explanation is,that he wasn't visited by an archangel and wasn't a prophet but simply suffered from hallucinations. This doesn't make any sense, all prophets were human, that's one of the core parts of Islam. I think you fell into the trap of viewing Islam through the lense of Christianity: Christians believe Jesus was the son of god, therefore not human. Muslims think all prophets, including Jesus, are human. If you don't accept Jesus as non-human in Christianity, you're right, it's all hallucinations. Not accepting Mohammed as non-human in Islam is complete nonsense, since he always was only a human as every Imam will tell you.
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Libluini posted:This doesn't make any sense, all prophets were human, that's one of the core parts of Islam. No, I am refusing to walk into the trap of accepting the esoteric explanation at face value. I am looking at Mohammed as a materialist and a historian. Of course I think Mohammed was only human. Humans can have mental problems and suffer from hallucinations. We've got a guy walking around in my city who claims he's Christ. I think he's not, neither do the psychiatrists who diagnosed schizophrenia. Same goes for the story of Mohammed. I do not think he really was visited by an angel or is a prophet. What do you consider to be more likely? The angel story or the hallucinations?
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Randler posted:All this Islam talk distracts from the true culprits. The guy who actually swing the axe and those American fuckers whose foreign policy continually adds timber to the garbage fire that is the Middle East. quote:I definitely think that the human mind (no dualism, it resides in grey matter) is able to overcome shortcomings. But some ideas are prone to lock societies in a collective gridlock of stagnation and self-injury. I wouldn't blame Islam for all and everything of it, but I wouldn't rule out that a religion that is founded on violence and "stick to the letter" teaching has a negative impact on the dynamics of a society. Islam was able to whitewash its shortcomings as long as it could conquer less static societies and live off the taxes of the conquered, but with the slowing expansion and the conversion of many subjugated people Islamic societies lost their tax base and turned into "rent seeking societies" or cleptocracies. This seems to be a big problem for many Muslim societies of the Middle East until today. What, isn't that a concise, totally non-evasive reply to that statement? 
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Einbauschrank posted:No, I am refusing to walk into the trap of accepting the esoteric explanation at face value. I am looking at Mohammed as a materialist and a historian. As long as you accept that both Jesus and Mohammed were crazy people, I'm OK with that. Just be aware there are many people who would look at your original post, nod wisely and then go and worship the other crazy person in their church-temple without missing a beat.
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Einbauschrank posted:I'd say because Sunnis and Shi'ites make up 90% of the Muslim population and most of them are conservative. The Alevites on the other hand are secular, but being secular probably don't care as much about religion in politics as the national-conservative ditib Trojans or the Salafists do. I'd not underestimate the "extremism of mainstream Islam". Just because you're not willing to kill people doesn't mean you aren't a reactionary opposed to liberal values. My point exactly. The moderate part of the "islamische Gemeinde" in Germany is far too conservative. Extremists are far more numerous than moderates. This SHOULD be a call to action for politicians. We know that it takes an enlightened society to reform a religion, just as with Christianity. But in Germany, our society has little influence on the religion practiced by Muslims, because a) the influence comes from other countries and b) Germany refuses to have any influence. Einbauschrank posted:By "roots" I mean the historic circumstances when Mohammed wrote the Quran. Like every other text, the circumstances and the author of the Quran are important to interpret it. People might believe it is indeed a holy book coming directly from Allah, but this would violate the Rationalitätspostulat as if were New Year's Eve in Cologne all over again. Einbauschrank posted:That's very convenient for Mohammed as his specific situation is the only that mattered to him and he was able to make ad hoc modifications. It could also be that these instructions were sent specifically for the initial time after the Koran was revealed, because that time was different from the time after it. In this way the Koran itself also reminds us of the time of Muhammed (independently of Hadiths), which (for me), implies that these parts have to be put into historical context. However another belief is that the Koran was sent complete and detailed and can be approached by any human independent of time and society. My personal belief is, for example, that since the Koran adapts to both fundementalist and moderate views very easily, that the Koran allows a society and culture to develop beyond the logic of Arabic desert tribes. It's essential for me that someone from the West receives the message in the Koran from his point of view. And doing this ultimately leads to a moderate religious view - just look at the many modernist interpretations available. The Koran on first sight, seems absolute, but you discover that it is flexible in the way it is written. Einbauschrank posted:Could you quantify what "many" means in each context? I think the mainstream view in Germany is that the verses commanding Mohammed alone are not for current Muslims. I think Ditib at least sees it this way. That doesn't stop people from imitating them to stay close to the Prophet, but this requires interpretation because we don't ride Camels to work or fight against certain Tribe XY with our band of Muslims. Einbauschrank posted:It depends on how you mean it. Do you think Islam exists independently of its believers? Einbauschrank posted:Because I do not think we will agree on this point. Like every other idea Islam is a construction of the human mind, so Muslims changing their views will result in Islam changing. If it is pure semantics and you mean that ideas have no agency, only people: OK. The organized religion you are speaking of is obviously an action of humans and therefore product of their mind, society, history etc. etc. Einbauschrank posted:Which churches would that be? Is the ditib a church? Point taken - so the interesting question is: How do we want the Islamic faith to be organized in Germany? Einbauschrank posted:It is difficult to separate the religious contents from philosophical contents and it is even more difficult to be socialized in Germany without coming into contact with some values derived (or in opposition) to Christianity. So it seems premature to me to claim you have no values derived from Christianity in you. There are Kulturmuslime after all, I don't see why there shouldn't be Kulturchristen as well. This seems circular reasoning to me. Society defined by Christianity means everyone has Christian values which means our society is defined by Christianity. I claim my values are due to my (secular) education and upbringing in the society. Historically, influences come from all three monotheistic religions, and the secular influences were obviously also created through the historical influence of different religions. There are many streams we would have to acknowledge. However the point is that for me, now, the values live and were ingrained without Christian or Jewish influence. If Churches would disappear overnight, I would still live and breathe these values and they would still have been ingrained into me. The question which is historically derived from which is a misleading discussion. Why not claim that Arabic people derive their values not actually from Islam, but from the Polytheistic religions and rituals beforehand? Clearly the Christian values are also basically Jewish, so we don't actually have Christian values but Jewish values - because you seem to disallow a new religion or society to make these value their own. Or we say, by the act of creating secular humanism we separated the values from Christendom, and although there were historical influences, the values now "belong" to the secular society in the same way that the Jewish ideas now belong to Christendom because they were used and adapted to it. And finally consider this: Do you believe that the current society is the correct and fair realization of Christian values as intended for Jesus? If yes, then a Muslim would say that it would be just right and proper to adapt these exact values in the practice of Islam, because Jesus was a Prophet and Messenger who's words are to be followed.
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Einbauschrank posted:Didn't you read the thread? The AfD equivalent would be a faked Ingenieur (FH) degree. Can't believe I didn't do that one, loving Mückenplage in my house stealing my sleep. Bugs man, I say kill em all.
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Hol dir Nexa Lotte Mückenstecker aus der Apotheke. Müffelt ein wenig und hält nur 6-8 Stunden, aber es hilft super. (someone had to deutsch the thread again)
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Am Ende hilft nur Gas die Mückenfrage zu lösen. Aber mal im Ernst, hast du keine Mückengitter? Die gibts im Baumarkt.
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Wie sieht eigentlich die Stimmung in Deutschland bezueglich Erdogans tete-a-tete mit seinen politischen Gegnern? Und gibt es irgendwelche Stellungnahmen von tuerkischen Interessegruppen oder ggf. dem Zentralrat der Muslime? /edit: nvm, sehe grad, dass tuerkisch-deutsche Vorsitzende und Gemeindevorstaende Morddrohungen bekommen und dass in Gelsenkirchen Erdogan-Unterstuetzer ein Cafe attackiert haben, weil der Besitzer nicht Erdogan-loyal war. Zefix, ich kann kein Deutsch mehr schreiben! Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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JaucheCharly posted:Aber mal im Ernst, hast du keine Mückengitter? Die gibts im Baumarkt. 
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JaucheCharly posted:Am Ende hilft nur Gas die Mückenfrage zu lösen. Doch aber mein dicker Siamkater besteht darauf das Schlafzimmerfenster als nächtlichen Privateingang inkl Butler (ich) zu benutzen. Wenn ich ihn nich sofort rein oder rauslasse fängt er an zu schreien wie Siamkatzen dat so mögen und den Fensterrahmen auseinanderzubauen. Fensterdichtung und Mückennetze haben da keine Chance. Gestern gabs hier wohl ne dicke Brut Mücken vom Wasser her bei der Hitze und ich hatte ca. 100 von den kleinen Monstern an der Decke nachdem das Fenster den Tag über auf war. Ganze Nacht Alarm gehabt und ich glaub ich hol mir gleich das brutalste Mückenmordgerät dass es im Handel gibt. edit: hoffentlich mit kleinen kreissägen und miniatur flammenwerfern.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Wie sieht eigentlich die Stimmung in Deutschland bezueglich Erdogans tete-a-tete mit seinen politischen Gegnern? Und gibt es irgendwelche Stellungnahmen von tuerkischen Interessegruppen oder ggf. dem Zentralrat der Muslime? Aber sicher doch. Rushputin posted:What, isn't that a concise, totally non-evasive reply to that statement? Zuviel geisteswissenschaftliches Gelaber und zuwenig Amischelte. 
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Randispatzl, magst du etwa die Geisteswissenschaften nicht?
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http://www.suedkurier.de/region/hochrhein/weil-am-rhein/Frau-kommt-im-Dreilaendereck-ganz-schoen-durcheinander;art416016,8814408 Verwirrte Schweizerin oder Austesten einer eidgenössischen Annexionspolitik? 
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System Metternich posted:http://www.suedkurier.de/region/hochrhein/weil-am-rhein/Frau-kommt-im-Dreilaendereck-ganz-schoen-durcheinander;art416016,8814408 Kleine grüne Männerli kommen!
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It's good to be self-critical in life. She even deported herself afterwards, staying true to her beliefs. 
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Mass shooting in Olympia Einkaufszentrum. Police stopped all public transportation. People are asked to leave all underground stations. And now I'm stuck and can't get home. fml i want to play ana in overwatch and not get murdered by terrorists.
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