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Guess suing other countries over stupid reasons is Erdogan's new hobby.
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I don't know enough about Gulen and his allies to know whether him being behind the coup is feasible. The opposition parties backing the Erdogan government is so strange.
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Jul 16, 2016 22:27
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So I wonder what the US is doing to keep Turkish Intelligence from assassinating Gulen? I assume at the least there are some FBI agents camped down the street.
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Jul 16, 2016 23:21
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Bip Roberts posted:So I wonder what the US is doing to keep Turkish Intelligence from assassinating Gulen?
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Discendo Vox posted:I don't know enough about Gulen and his allies to know whether him being behind the coup is feasible. The opposition parties backing the Erdogan government is so strange. It had nothing to do with Gulen in all likelihood. The manifesto put out by the coupers was bog-standard Kemalist Ataturk worship stuff, not a whiff of Gulen in it. As for the opposition the HDP are not fans of the Kemalist military and the CHP has been mostly defanged and cowed into submission by the AKP over the years
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icantfindaname posted:It had nothing to do with Gulen in all likelihood. The manifesto put out by the coupers was bog-standard Kemalist Ataturk worship stuff, not a whiff of Gulen in it. As for the opposition the HDP are not fans of the Kemalist military and the CHP has been mostly defanged and cowed into submission by the AKP over the years Though the CHP and MHP would probably be happy to be "pick up the pieces" after the coup. As for the true victor out of all of this is probably yet again....Putin.
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Jul 17, 2016 03:07
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How are those negotiations between Kerry and Russia going, considering that Turkey nearly stole our nukes and narrowly avoided war?
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Jul 17, 2016 07:30
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Grouchio posted:Considering that Turkey nearly stole our nukes and narrowly avoided war? What happened when?
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Jul 17, 2016 08:05
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Bip Roberts posted:What happened when?
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Bip Roberts posted:What happened when? They closed a shared airbase for a few hours after the failed coup and Erdogan used tough language in Twitter regarding the US harboring his political enemy. Enter clancychat.
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Jul 17, 2016 08:19
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Grouchio posted:Turkish forces occupied and cut power to the Incirik US Air Base for a few hours, which held Ballistic Missiles. We goons feared today that Turkey was stupid enough to start a loving war with us and WWIII, etc for several hours until defcon reported that they had left our base a while later. Still makes you think how quickly Cuban esque crises could escalate though. They cut power but they didn't occupy Incirlik nor does it hold ballistic missiles.
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Jul 17, 2016 08:31
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Grouchio posted:How are those negotiations between Kerry and Russia going, considering that Turkey nearly stole our nukes and narrowly avoided war? This didn't happen, Grouchio. Calm down or talk to your therapist about your ww3 fantasies, they seem to be affecting your perception of reality.
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Jul 17, 2016 09:42
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Grouchio posted:Turkish forces occupied and cut power to the Incirik US Air Base for a few hours, which held Ballistic Missiles. We goons feared today that Turkey was stupid enough to start a loving war with us and WWIII, etc for several hours until defcon reported that they had left our base a while later. Still makes you think how quickly Cuban esque crises could escalate though. Incirlik isn't a US base, it's a Turkish base belonging to Turkey's Turkish Air Force of Turkish Turkey, and it merely happens to be graceful host to US and other NATO forces, which are there as guests, and not as lord proprietors. In fact the US had to negotiate with Turkey to be allowed to use the base for raids against Daesh. And the US nukes in Incirlik are gravity bombs, not ballistic missiles. Nuclear sharing is done only with gravity bombs.
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Jul 17, 2016 13:01
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Err, something something, coup/attempt in Armenia...? Edit: OK, people getting sloppy w/labeling after Turkey events. Seems like a small armed group took over a police station, and demanding release of some political prisoners...
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Jul 17, 2016 13:20
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Yikes. Belarusian-Ukrainian journalist Pavel Sheremet just got assassinated by having the car he was driving in (owned by the owner of online newspaper he worked for) blown up.
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Jul 20, 2016 12:08
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Yep. It's like 500m away from where my grandfather lives and along his route to some shops or metro station. While the collateral damage appears to be minimal, it's way too close for comfort. Unsurprisingly, he wasn't on friendly terms with Moscow so that might have something to do with it  . Despite all the shittiness, it's hasn't been too common for journalists to be murdered in Kyiv so this is definitely a very unwelcome development. RIP Pavel of course.Here's a BBC article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36843808 And the original Ukrainian one from his employer: http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2016/07/20/7115344/ Edit: Apparently a Ukrainain Forbes journalist was stabbed in a park yesterday by an unknown man. No other information, though it looks like she wasn't seriously injured. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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So here's a fun story from Zlovenia. The local cardinal was visiting from Vatican and of course also held a mass last week. It was, and this is no joke, dedicated to the Nazi collaboration during ww2. During said mass, he said the "real national traitors" were the communists doing a revolution, and that the collaborators, or as he called them, "patriotic and democratic forces", were only doing a contrarevolution (  ), and were "forced to accept and use invader help and weapons".Not only is this an absolutely hilarious attempt at some revision of history, he also managed to call everyone (yes, everyone) who fought against the 3rd Reich a manipulated puppet of communism. Which is, as we all know, an ideology of fear and loathing. It's really unfortunate this country is completely inconsequential to absolutely everything, I'd love to see the Catholic Church try to spin this if it was said at some bigger, more visible event. mobby_6kl posted:Here's a BBC article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36843808 Eastern Europe is turning into a loving James Bond movie. e: and I obviously don't mean this in a good way. Truga fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Truga posted:So here's a fun story from Zlovenia. The local cardinal was visiting from Vatican and of course also held a mass last week. It was, and this is no joke, dedicated to the Nazi collaboration during ww2. When Russian propaganda complains about the rise of Nazism in former Soviet bloc countries they're essentially right. Like is this even a controversial assertion at this point?
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Jul 20, 2016 18:02
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In Slovenia, luckily these people have relatively little throw, and the hardcore right wing parties supporting this kind of bullshit have been getting less and less support since about 2008. It's also a slightly bigger deal here, because I think we're the only place where poo poo got so bad the SS had to step in and tell the locals to tone it down a little 
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Jul 20, 2016 18:16
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lynch_69 posted:When Russian propaganda complains about the rise of Nazism in former Soviet bloc countries they're essentially right. Like is this even a controversial assertion at this point? Well, yeah, but they're calling the wrong guys the nazis
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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lynch_69 posted:When Russian propaganda complains about the rise of Nazism in former Soviet bloc countries they're essentially right. Like is this even a controversial assertion at this point? It's more that they're still relatively insignificant (as in this case) but vastly overblown in size/influence in the propaganda. Also that Russia's own facist/hard right nationalist issue dwarfs the Eastern European groups and the Russian government funds many of them anyways.
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Jul 20, 2016 18:25
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The rise of violent right wing nationalism in russia is ok because their violent racist thugs celebrate the winning side of WWII, the rise of violent right wing nationalism in post-soviet countries is bad because they celebrate the losing side of WWII. The violence and ideology don't matter, just which side they look back upon fondly.
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Jul 20, 2016 18:28
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Warbadger posted:It's more that they're still relatively insignificant (as in this case) but vastly overblown in size/influence in the propaganda. Also that Russia's own facist/hard right nationalist issue dwarfs the Eastern European groups and the Russian government funds many of them anyways. That is true, Putin actively courts the hard right in Russia. Troubling news all round 
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Baronjutter posted:The rise of violent right wing nationalism in russia is ok because their violent racist thugs celebrate the winning side of WWII, the rise of violent right wing nationalism in post-soviet countries is bad because they celebrate the losing side of WWII. The violence and ideology don't matter, just which side they look back upon fondly. Russia also has actual, no kidding Nazis as well though. Basically they're everywhere to certain degree but it just makes sense for Russia to play it up because their national identity is based ariund defeating them in the Great Patriotic War.
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Jul 20, 2016 18:44
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lynch_69 posted:When Russian propaganda complains about the rise of Nazism in former Soviet bloc countries they're essentially right. Like is this even a controversial assertion at this point? The part they forget to mention is that its largely because of them and with their explicit support that nazism is rising in those countries.
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Jul 20, 2016 20:23
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A Pale Horse posted:The part they forget to mention is that its largely because of them and with their explicit support that nazism is rising in those countries. Create a problem, and then offer a solution. It's an old tactic.
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Jul 20, 2016 20:30
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A video of the Sheremet assassination leaked out earlier today. Can't really see anything but yeah, his car goes boom .  A bit later, it seems that there's someone trying to get out from the rear-left door... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIv2gkUE6Jo
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Jul 20, 2016 21:34
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mobby_6kl posted:A video of the Sheremet assassination leaked out earlier today. Can't really see anything but yeah, his car goes boom Jesus. When someone said that attack was pretty self-contained, they weren't kidding. It took 5 seconds for that one guy to even turn around realize what was going on. There's one bystander who strolls completely off camera immediately after the explosion. I'm guessing that some folks thought it was a car accident at first and not a car bomb.
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Thanks, America! https://torrentfreak.com/feds-seize-kickasstorrents-domains-charge-owner-160720/ quote:The U.S. Government has arrested the alleged owner of KickassTorrents, the world's largest torrent site. The 30-year-old Ukrainian was arrested in Poland today and is charged with criminal copyright infringement and money laundering. In addition, a federal court in Chicago has ordered the seizure of several KAT domain names.
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Jul 21, 2016 03:05
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Well that loving sucks. I guess if you're running a torrent site, don't travel to a country with US extradition.
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So Donald Trump said today that the US may not defend the Baltics in the case of a Russian attack if he doesn't feel like they've done their part for the alliance. I can't imagine Eastern Europe is going to take that too well.
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Baronjutter posted:Well that loving sucks. I guess if you're running a torrent site, don't travel to a country with US extradition. A bit surprised he wasn't extradited from Ukraine in the first place. .... Which reminds me, any Germans here hear anything about Firtash (Ukrainian oligarch who managed to avoid extradiction from Austria to US in part by convincing a judge of hilarious conspiracy theories about Ukrainian politices) trying to bribe some people in German law enforcement a bit back?
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Sinteres posted:So Donald Trump said today that the US may not defend the Baltics in the case of a Russian attack if he doesn't feel like they've done their part for the alliance. I can't imagine Eastern Europe is going to take that too well. I can think of one country that doesn't. They have not even brought back conscription. If you're not prepared to defend yourself, it's not likely that others will.
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yeah, conscription is going to help a lot against a superpower sporting high tech weaponry and nukular arsenal ... wait, what?
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jonnypeh posted:I can think of one country that doesn't. They have not even brought back conscription. If you're not prepared to defend yourself, it's not likely that others will. Lithuania has, in fact, brought back conscription
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Dragas posted:Lithuania has, in fact, brought back conscription Latvia has not. quote:yeah, conscription is going to help a lot against a superpower sporting high tech weaponry and nukular arsenal 30,000 soldiers is already better than a token professional force of 1,500 (even if supported by the home guard units). Give them quality MANPADS and ATGMs and the opponent will have something to think about.
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Estonia also has conscription so what you really mean is that Latvia is bad, which I can support
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lynch_69 posted:Putin actively courts the hard right in the Right in Russia mostly just get a lazy boot up the rear end from time to time, because there is No ethnic problem in Motherland.
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Der Spiegel did an interview with a Russian foreign policy advisor. The tldr is that Russia is strong and Europe is betraying their own values (via Muslim immigrants). There's a lot that just seems nonsensical such as Karaganov posted:Many of my colleagues view our European partners with derision and I always warn them not to be cocky and arrogant. Some among the European elite have sought out confrontation with us. As a consequence, we won't help Europe, although we could do so when it comes to the refugee question. A joint closure of borders would be essential. In this regard, the Russians would be 10 times more effective than the Europeans. Instead, you have tried to make a deal with Turkey. That is a disgrace. In the face of our problems with Turkey, we have pursued a clear, hard political line -- with success. Beyond that the interview gives off an exuberant kind of "we are winning" vibe. I'm really struggling to see what Russia has really achieved though. In 10 years two important partners of Russia has been practically destroyed. Ukraine is irrevocably lost from Russia's Eurasian project and Ukraine's economy is completely in the shitter. I mean Ukraine mostly trades with Russia - it's not helping Russia to destroy it. Syria is a basket case and Russia undoubtedly help fund its survival and will continue to have to do so for the foreseeable future. Economic growth and the well-being of the Russian people seems to be entirely incidental to the main objective - to enforce their will and be a Great Power! What they aim to achieve with it, what the vision is... I just don't know.
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Anos posted:Der Spiegel did an interview with a Russian foreign policy advisor. The tldr is that Russia is strong and Europe is betraying their own values (via Muslim immigrants). Russia may not be winning exactly but the destabilization of Europe is a good thing for them. Brexit may well be the beginning of the end of the EU, the failed possibly staged coup in Turkey may end up driving Turkey out of NATO and has certainly ended any aspirations of EU membership for them. The migrant crisis and stagnant economy are driving euroskeptic nationalism up and down the continent. There's also the matter of a seemingly endless deluge of terrorist attacks. These are all positives for Russia because they undermine liberalism and unity on the continent so despite their own problems I can see why they'd be optimistic.
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