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UberJew posted:are you literally living the song common people, are you just from a reasonably high class background yourself or is her old money not actually the much money ityool 2016 closing in on common people territory here - rural iowan vs "family owns part of the NYC skyline"
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Randler posted:Referencing this GiP thing, not resident career murderbeast Jagchosis. this is one of my favorite SA screeds
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol yes, labour should definitely absorb the racists I can predict how Dis would respond to your sarcasm Disinterested posted:That's an activists mindset
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Raskolnikov38 posted:no, i'm anti-EU. brexit was stupid because the british actually benefited from the EU I'm pretty sure I could easily disprove this idiot disingenuous defense with quotes if I wasn't phone posting
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Lotka Volterra posted:closing in on common people territory here - rural iowan vs "family owns part of the NYC skyline" Did you get her by setting up a gossip blog about her and her friends for numerous years?
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Lotka Volterra posted:closing in on common people territory here - rural iowan vs "family owns part of the NYC skyline" im going to advise continuing the Jarvis Cocker routine and soaking her until youre sorted for e's and wiz
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Jul 20, 2016 19:44
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immigration and, by extension, the national question really is a huge ideological trap for any social-democratic party with aspirations of power, because the party elites will tend to be either bourgeois-cosmopolitan or staunchly internationalist where the voting masses aren't really either and, i mean, it's not as though immigration has no costs or problems, so you really do need that ideological discipline to be able to properly combat it - which, of course, is a major problem for modern "post-ideological" centre-leftism
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Disinterested posted:I'm pretty sure I could easily disprove this idiot disingenuous defense with quotes if I wasn't phone posting i'll save you time, brexit was good because it either cripples the EU or helps it to reform. brexit is also bad if you're british because you benefited from the EU in conclusion brexit is a land of contrasts but the british are still stupid for voting against their own self-interest
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Jul 20, 2016 19:46
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol yes, labour should definitely absorb the racists yeah they should, by giving them an alternative to racism
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Arrgytehpirate posted:On today's edition of poo poo my co-workers say Ruth loved Naomi
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V. Illych L. posted:yeah they should, by giving them an alternative to racism corbyn is going to send them to the faroe islands to mine gold forever?
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V. Illych L. posted:immigration and, by extension, the national question really is a huge ideological trap for any social-democratic party with aspirations of power, because the party elites will tend to be either bourgeois-cosmopolitan or staunchly internationalist where the voting masses aren't really either Labour used to control it well by quite successfully undermining the tories by depicting them as nasty and parochial but their ability to do that was just exploded by their loss of stature after Iraq
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Jul 20, 2016 19:47
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what if they really like racism
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'll save you time, brexit was good because it either cripples the EU or helps it to reform. brexit is also bad if you're british because you benefited from the EU Putin apologist spotted.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'll save you time, brexit was good because it either cripples the EU or helps it to reform. brexit is also bad if you're british because you benefited from the EU I'm virtually certain you once posted 'lol if britain doesn't leave'
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Randler posted:Did you get her by setting up a gossip blog about her and her friends for numerous years? no. paranoid randroid posted:im going to advise continuing the Jarvis Cocker routine and soaking her until youre sorted for e's and wiz i will heed your counsel
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i might be cynical but "people want alternatives to racism" feels like a variation on the perplexed well-meaning liberal chorus from the Bush administration "if only we could explain our positions to them"
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i don't get the mindset of some people itt that racism is somehow an indelible and immovable aspect of the human condition when the term "race" in itself has had demonstrably radically different meanings through the years like, a huge part of the rise of right-wing populism has been the pretty deliberate sacrifice of the white working class by political elites leading to mass unemployment & desperation, which naturally leads to fertile breeding ground for reactionary & xenophobic attitudes UKIP, FN, DF, AfD are parties born of despair, fear and loathing, not some inscrutable proletarian hatred of the racialised other
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Jul 20, 2016 19:49
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Disinterested posted:I'm virtually certain you once posted 'lol if britain doesn't leave' well, they did leave
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Jul 20, 2016 19:51
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Arrgytehpirate posted:When I got out of the military my dad told me he was glad I survived but he wished I had achieved my full potential. I was 24 when I got out. Idk why I'm venting to ya'll about old poo poo but your dad was referring to the fact that you should have gone off to otherworld to train and become super saiyan 3
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well, they did leave No, they voted for it. And that's all they did and possibly ever will.
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paranoid randroid posted:i might be cynical but "people want alternatives to racism" feels like a variation on the perplexed well-meaning liberal chorus from the Bush administration "if only we could explain our positions to them" pretty certain people want jobs, dignity, decent incomes and predictability in their lives if they cannot have this in a material context, they will try to manufacture some by making GBS threads on someone even worse off
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V. Illych L. posted:i don't get the mindset of some people itt that racism is somehow an indelible and immovable aspect of the human condition when the term "race" in itself has had demonstrably radically different meanings through the years yes but since there isn't an actual alternative to the continued disregard of the white working class that is part of the acceptable dialogue of modern bourgeoisie politics the only hope is that they can be kept from being motivated enough to vote 
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V. Illych L. posted:i don't get the mindset of some people itt that racism is somehow an indelible and immovable aspect of the human condition when the term "race" in itself has had demonstrably radically different meanings through the years this is the white leftistiest post i have every seen
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Randler posted:No, they voted for it. And that's all they did and possibly ever will. can they really just never invoke article 50 and pretend the vote never happened forever tho
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paranoid randroid posted:i might be cynical but "people want alternatives to racism" feels like a variation on the perplexed well-meaning liberal chorus from the Bush administration "if only we could explain our positions to them" People only tend to change their behaviors when they see those around them doing so as well. So the alternative to racism just brow beating the gently caress out of racist dickheads. Racists don't want an alternative to racism because it makes them feel better for sucking at life. However this may backfire.
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Jul 20, 2016 19:53
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my theory is that people, by and large, are shitheads, regardless of class distinction
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Raskolnikov38 posted:can they really just never invoke article 50 and pretend the vote never happened forever tho They almost certainly can do it from a legal point of view and they could probably pull though with it domestically as well.
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see also america, black working class, and being too violently intimidated, gerrymandered or incarcerated and disenfranchised to vote
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paranoid randroid posted:people are shitheads
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paranoid randroid posted:my theory is that people, by and large, are shitheads, regardless of class distinction i can attest to this
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Raskolnikov38 posted:can they really just never invoke article 50 and pretend the vote never happened forever tho there ain't no rule that says they can't
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I'm pretty sure that exposing the working class to global capital to intentionally suppress wages and destroy the Labour movement probably didn't help race relations But historically the british labour movement has a pretty good record on these kinds of questions so it's pretty sad to see it all come to this
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Or maybe I'm thinking of middle class racism.
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Jul 20, 2016 19:55
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racism is not an indelible facet of the proletariat but at the same time i dont think its like people are being fooled into being racist and, upon being fed the proper nam-shub, will slap their foreheads and go "jeepers, ive been such a doofus this whole time!"
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Jul 20, 2016 19:56
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It feels so good to be off work and just away from all that poo poo. Bud Light is the best domestic beer. Challenge me on this. 
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Arrgytehpirate posted:It feels so good to be off work and just away from all that poo poo. ok now youre just trying to get dogpiled
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It also doesn't help that we're talking about the most I'll educated section of society as well. Factor in that the closest correlate with voting in the referendum was degree having or not
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what throws me is the level of bigotry against the polish like, who has time to actually hate the polish? its one thing to make pollack jokes, but to feel actual hatred?
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