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Josh Lyman posted:AMD and friends almost certainly have too many Hawaii chips sitting around. 390 was a straight up rebrand. That said, it tended to use a little less power at the clocks they gave it, due to lower voltages. It also had more RAM, which is significant, because they also increased RAM speed/bandwidth.
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Haquer posted:So what browser are you using? Firefox 44.0.2
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PBCrunch posted:How can AMD's marketing department be so clueless? GTX 1060 release day is the perfect time for "leaks" of RX 470 performance in DX12/Vulkan games (or TimeSpy) to come out. Just leak some info and get someone talking about price to performance and how nothing else is even close to RX 470 at $149. At the very least it forces Nvidia to confirm/deny the existence of the 3GB GTX 1060 (or 1050Ti or whatever they end up calling it), which could potentially reduce sales of 1060. is the 480 sold out because it's selling well or because AMD hasn't made enough? or does anyone even know
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Jul 20, 2016 16:14
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wicka posted:is the 480 sold out because it's selling well or because AMD hasn't made enough? or does anyone even know Probably a bit of column A and column B. The 1060/70/80 also being sold out indicates there's a lot of pent up demand as people seem to have been sitting on their current cards waiting for this next generation. I suppose we'll know more info when we start getting Steam Hardware Survey results post-launch.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:24
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Any chance you all think the stock of 1070s will stabilize in the next 2months and drive prices back towards the MSRP? I am very excited to upgrade my 670 (built a new computer early this year and waited for the new cards).
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Jul 20, 2016 16:27
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ChiTownEddie posted:Any chance you all think the stock of 1070s will stabilize in the next 2months and drive prices back towards the MSRP?
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Jul 20, 2016 16:33
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mango sentinel posted:I see 1070s in stores at msrp around here regularly. Wow really? I don't think I've seen much stuff around 400 much less under. Where do you live and at which stores?
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Jul 20, 2016 16:39
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Ak Gara posted:Firefox 44.0.2 Have you tried upgrading it to a supported version? E: Just tried in Firefox 47 (seriously, why are you using a 5 month old version) 
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PBCrunch posted:How can AMD's marketing department be so clueless? GTX 1060 release day is the perfect time for "leaks" of RX 470 performance in DX12/Vulkan games (or TimeSpy) to come out. Just leak some info and get someone talking about price to performance and how nothing else is even close to RX 470 at $149. At the very least it forces Nvidia to confirm/deny the existence of the 3GB GTX 1060 (or 1050Ti or whatever they end up calling it), which could potentially reduce sales of 1060. AMD gutted their marketing and driver teams awhile ago. There's also been some talent drift, I had 2 friends who worked there for 5+ years that are now at Nvidia for various reasons.
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Jul 20, 2016 16:57
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The Gunslinger posted:I had 2 friends who worked there for 5+ years that are now at Nvidia for various reasons. Hmm, AMD's drivers have been consistently better than in the last months while nvidia's have tanked Goon's friends have moved from AMD to nvidia Coincidence?  actually this is because I bought an nvidia, now it's nvidia's turn to turn to poo poo
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I haven't seen much talk about where the RX460 is going to fall on the product stack, in the ~$100 or less space is the GTX 950 still a solid buy, or is the 460 going to be a big step up? A friend of mine with thousands of hours of Dota 2 played has never used a dedicated GPU in his life and is refreshing his PC.
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Jul 20, 2016 17:06
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Truga posted:
Thanks a lot I had my first display driver crash in months a couple days ago. Something about lav video decoder using nvidia cuid. Oh well. Hasn't happened since.
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Gunder posted:I have a 970 that I'm looking to potentially sell to a friend. However, if he'd be better served by waiting for a 470, then I don't wish to sell him my 970, even at a reduced price (I'd want around £170 for it). He plays games, and has an Ivybridge i5 system, running at 1080p. I want to make sure that he gets the best value for money that he can. Do you guys think that £170 is a fair price for a 2nd hand MSI 970? Or would he be better off going for the presumably less expensive 470? Given the pricing on 8 gig RX480s in the UK, 170 for a gtx970 is a screaming good deal.
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Twerk from Home posted:I haven't seen much talk about where the RX460 is going to fall on the product stack, in the ~$100 or less space is the GTX 950 still a solid buy, or is the 460 going to be a big step up? A friend of mine with thousands of hours of Dota 2 played has never used a dedicated GPU in his life and is refreshing his PC. The GTX 950 goes for ~150 USD, not <100 USD. In that space, the RX 470 would be massively better. If it were available. FWIW at 1080p60 you can run Dota2 fine on a GTX 750 non-Ti. I bought one second hand for 50 EUR 2 years ago or so, just to play Dota2 on my Dell workstation Hiowf fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Skuto posted:The GTX 950 goes for ~150 USD, not <100 USD. In that space, the RX 470 would be massively better. If it were available. It's $99 for an eVGA 950 today on Newegg, hence he's coming to me to ask whether to buy this or wait for 460.
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Twerk from Home posted:It's $99 for an eVGA 950 today on Newegg, hence he's coming to me to ask whether to buy this or wait for 460. The RX 460 is less than half a RX 480, and the RX 480 is (at 1080p) not twice as fast as a GTX 950. So it sounds like it would be an OK deal. I don't think the RX 460 has a real release date yet.
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Vintersorg posted:Wow, those 1060's that have no connector needed look sweet. I have a 750ti of the same type and I like the minimalism. Considering cancelling my step-up to a 1080 for one of those. When you say "no connector needed", do you mean it doesn't need a PCIe power 6-pin? Which cards are these? All the ones I've seen, including the small form factor ones (EVGA, ZOTAC) still have it.
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Taima posted:It's an ASUS blower card, it's the definition of "ok". But: Oh, nice! Thanks for the tip. Looks like I'm finally getting a GPU upgrade! 
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Congrats! You'll be very happy with it. I wouldn't worry about the blower too much.
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GokieKS posted:When you say "no connector needed", do you mean it doesn't need a PCIe power 6-pin? Which cards are these? All the ones I've seen, including the small form factor ones (EVGA, ZOTAC) still have it. He must mean the SLI connector.
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Jul 20, 2016 18:41
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Jul 20, 2016 18:47
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KingEup posted:He must mean the SLI connector. Oh... well that seems a weird thing to pick a 1060 over a 1080 over.
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8gb 480 available from Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-cus...7lHoHGDto3SNfIQ I'm still waffling on which card to get but this will probably be sold out before I'm done deciding anyway.
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mango sentinel posted:8gb 480 available from Best Buy. At $250 just buy a GTX 1060 over a reference 480. The open air 480s could be something interesting based on pricing, but non-blower cards are pretty preferable unless you really need a blower.
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I was getting ready to dig into the AIB 1060 comparatives (so far it's looking like I'm going Palit again), but then I had a thought... What is everybody's best guess about the % of AAA games that will support Vulkan in 2017-2018? Seems to me that if the answer is "a lot", I might end up regretting not going team red this time.
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Klyith posted:Oh man I don't know what to do in that case. Does that case really absolutely need a blower video card? It seems to have lots of bottom to top ventilation flow. Is is because there's something in the way under the card?  I also have my fans reversed from stock for cpu cooling purposes so blowers really are a must. Thanks for all the pointers, Nice to know that the non-founder nvidia blowers aren't also garbarge. I'll still probably wait to see what the ati partner boards have.
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mango sentinel posted:8gb 480 available from Best Buy. That might be the first GPU I've ever seen at Best Buy that they didn't price gouge to hell. Still, if you can get a hold of the 4GB version when they are in stock a NewEgg, they're $50 less for what is an identical card once you flash it to 8GB.
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Zero VGS posted:That might be the first GPU I've ever seen at Best Buy that they didn't price gouge to hell. If you can flash it. Just because the first run could be flashed to 8gb, doesn't mean the next batch will.
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NihilCredo posted:I was getting ready to dig into the AIB 1060 comparatives (so far it's looking like I'm going Palit again), but then I had a thought... Does Vulkan not work on Nvidia?
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Does Vulkan not work on Nvidia? 480 squeezed out like 15-20% more frames with Vulkan than 1060 iirc. Stuff like that, and potential for upgrading with Crossfire down the road, $50 cheaper and maybe buying a freesync monitor are what's got me waffling still.
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Does Vulkan not work on Nvidia? Vulkan works fine on Nvidia cards but it benefits AMD a bit more. I do think people are over estimating the difference Vulkan will make for AMD, Nvidia is still in the process of optimizing drivers to take advantage of Vulkan/DX12 type features.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Vulkan works fine on Nvidia cards but it benefits AMD a bit more. I do think people are over estimating the difference Vulkan will make for AMD, Nvidia is still in the process of optimizing drivers to take advantage of Vulkan/DX12 type features. People are also lumping in the performance gains from Shader Intrinsic Functions in Doom with Vulkan. SIF isn't a part of any API, it bypasses API's as an even more to the metal coding method similar to consoles. It's part of the GPUOpen initiative AMD just started up to promote more console like coding on PC. From what I can tell, Nvidia should be able to support SIF as well.
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NihilCredo posted:What is everybody's best guess about the % of AAA games that will support Vulkan in 2017-2018? Seems to me that if the answer is "a lot", I might end up regretting not going team red this time. Frostbyte: yes (already has mantle) Unreal: yes* (UE4 supports vulkan right now as a simple compile time option, but only as the mobile render path) Unity: eventually. DX12 is already in Beta but Vulkan is still in "research" Bethesda games using iD Tech: yes (will they actually use this in house for more games in 2017? Who knows!) Between those that's "a lot" of games but maybe more 2018 than 2017. edit: but as ^^^^ people said, relying on DX12/Vulkan to be a big win for AMD for years to come is questionable. Beautiful Ninja posted:From what I can tell, Nvidia should be able to support SIF as well.
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Beautiful Ninja posted:From what I can tell, Nvidia should be able to support SIF as well. It depends which intrinsics you're talking about. "Shader Intrinsic Functions" isn't a distinct feature, it's just a collective name for a random pile of low-level architecture tricks that can't be leveraged from vendor-agnostic APIs. AFAIK Nvidia have fairly close equivalents to GCNs thread shuffling intrinsics, but NV don't expose them to Vulkan yet, and they have no equivalent to the GCN barycentric coordinates intrinsics.
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These 1060s look like they dont need any PCI power. http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX63114 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX63115 fake edit: Nvm, single 6 pin needed.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I have to use DDU to update nvidia drivers because the Maxwell series has a rare but consistent hilarious multi-display bug that makes the drivers poo poo themselves when updating while using multi-monitor Never had this issue on my 750TI w/3 monitors.
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mango sentinel posted:480 squeezed out like 15-20% more frames with Vulkan than 1060 iirc. Stuff like that, and potential for upgrading with Crossfire down the road, $50 cheaper and maybe buying a freesync monitor are what's got me waffling still. All valid stuff. Has there been any other testing with Vulkan outside of Doom but on that same scale? I read that async compute is actually turned off for Nvidia cards for Doom still and there is performance there to be had with 1000 series cards
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:Has there been any other testing with Vulkan outside of Doom but on that same scale? I read that async compute is actually turned off for Nvidia cards for Doom still and there is performance there to be had with 1000 series cards The only other shipping Vulkan games are Dota 2 and The Talos Principle, but they're both mediocre ports.  Really though there's no reason to single out Vulkan, it should perform the same as DX12 with all other factors being equal. Just treat them as two sides of the same coin.
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