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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

TinTower posted:

I believe the term you're looking for is "cuntfusing".

:notchsay:

Indeed I am.

The article, for those interested:

quote:

Games Journalism hasn't ever really been about the traditionally noble profession of journalism. It's never been about serving the public good, deposing tyrannical governments, or even providing information. It's traditionally been about enthusiasts talking about their passion. It's an enthusiast press, not a journalistic enterprise, and nothing proves that better than the recent "games journalism" meltdown around Minecraft creator, Notch's interaction with a hypocrite on Twitter that happened to share the delusional world view of the hypocrites at Destructoid, and apparently VICE.

For starters, Destructoid's Features Editor Steven Hansen didn't even bother to hide his contempt, or his outlandish headline claim that Notch feels "oppressed." Notch is a billionaire, and at no point in any conversation has he claimed to be oppressed. He could buy Destructoid with the interest he earns on his wealth in a month. If he were the savage beast these self-described "journalists" say he is, he has the power and wealth to buy virtually every games site on the planet, shut us all down, and make his own site to espouse whatever crazy ideas the current lunatic fringe in games media is pretending he espouses. The reality is that Notch is just a person with his own thoughts and ideas, which is utterly unacceptable to the current neo-Puritans of games writing. The "you're either with us or against us" mindset has typically been reserved for the likes of McCarthy and HUAC, or warmongering, or religious persecution. In this new age of "progressives," however, we're seeing it all over again, in a dogmatic refusal to even participate in a conversation unless they're already sure you agree with them. Hence the creation of this most recent sexist tool of silencing opposition: "Mansplaining."



Notch takes umbrage with the term for its clear derogatory intent towards an entire gender. This is the kind of thing we real liberals have been fighting against for decades. Equality is not a pick and choose situation. You get equality or you get discrimination. You can NEVER have both. Neo-Puritans don't want gender equality, they want special treatment for women because the neo-Puritans don't think nature is fair enough, and nature's gender roles mean that men are physically stronger, and often more willing to commit violence.

If you're okay with the term "mansplaining," then you're implicitly okay with "cuntfusing," Notch's response to the go-to gender-disparagement of the neo-Puritans. You don't get to simultaneously claim to care about gender parity while using a derogatory gender slur like "mansplaining" to silence your opponents. Notch does not, nor does any man feel "oppressed" by the term "mansplaining." No, from what I've gathered in listening to the neo-Puritans, we men run the world. But you know what? Unlike them, we actually want to have this conversation. We want to help achieve the goals of real liberals. We're not the idiots here. Games media is apparently full of idiots, though, so instead of a thoughtful piece from Destructoid on the damage that gender disparagement does to the progress of the very important conversation, we get this literal fabrication of a gaming celebrity's "feelings," by a religious zealot masquerading as a journalist. VICE, too.

Rather than give thought and discourse to the very meaningful points of debate, VICE's Mike Diver decided the best use of his platform was to just hurl insults. When Notch's response to being called a synonym for male genitalia was to call his insulter a synonym for female genitalia, VICE described his word as "grotesque." The neo-Puritan logic here suggests that calling a guy a "dick" is rude, but if you so much as utter the word "oval office," you're an oppressive misogynist. That's VICE's prerogative, of course, and Destructoid's as well. I'm not here to try to rebut the non-argument put forth by these posts - If the authors or their cronies were interested in intelligent discourse, we wouldn't be here right now. I know what happens when people start using legislation to mandate morality. Witch trials happen. No, I'm not here to try to appeal to them, I'm here to appeal to YOU - the audience, the readers, the gamers of the world - that this isn't journalism. This isn't even news writing. This is proselytizing yet another religion founded on contempt for rational discourse. This is dogma, and it has no place in the sphere of real journalism.


I can already hear some of you furiously typing about how this isn't journalism either. And you're correct. This is called "punditry," and is a whole different sphere of entertainment. Games journalism is a fictional narrative pushed by "games journalists," who have an increasingly loud collective voice, and precious little interest in information that doesn't fit this delusional sense of self importance.

If you want to have a conversation about the real woes of gender inequality in modern society; if you want to have a conversation about real oppression happening around the world; if you want to have a conversation about how to stop the sexists and racists and xenophobes from dictating how this conversation happens, then please hit the forums here. I'd love to hear from you. If you're just another dogmatic neo-Puritan with a "with us or against us" mindset, then you're preaching, not conversing, and you can go puritansplain someplace else. I'd love to join in a conversation, but I have no interest in being lectured about your pseudo-religious dogma.

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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

Mu Zeta posted:

The only reason Aatrek was banned was because he was doxxed

Maybe there is a difference between paedophilia and being an rear end in a top hat on twitter?

Hnmmmmmm really makes you think.

poptart_fairy posted:

He's Lottery of Babylon without the goon upvotes.

Nah, LoB just quotes without tag. FAROOQ is more of a PCOSbill in that they just drop by, say something inflammatory and watch goons fall for it.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
Quote is not edit :hurr:
E: :laffo: I didn't actually know that the escapist decided to side with the GG guys. What a stupid site.

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

Fathis Munk posted:

Maybe there is a difference between paedophilia and being an rear end in a top hat on twitter?

Hnmmmmmm really makes you think.

Regardless whoever doxxed him did so without knowing he was a pedophile beforehand, should aatrek not have been doxxed then?

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
I think this conversation goes beyond the scope of this thread but yes, he shouldn't have gotten doxxed imo.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Fathis Munk posted:

Quote is not edit :hurr:
E: :laffo: I didn't actually know that the escapist decided to side with the GG guys. What a stupid site.

Yeah, their head contracted out a freelance article to a Gator who had publicly slagged off several of the Escapists content contributors without telling them, and a former EIC came out and called her former boss a lying sack of poo poo. Started a bit of a content exodus from the site.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


unwantedplatypus posted:

Regardless whoever doxxed him did so without knowing he was a pedophile beforehand, should aatrek not have been doxxed then?

If you break into someone's house to steal their stuff, and it turns out they're a kidnapper holding a victim there, the result may be that the victim gets rescued. But that doesn't make burglary good or justified.

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

Tiggum posted:

If you break into someone's house to steal their stuff, and it turns out they're a kidnapper holding a victim there, the result may be that the victim gets rescued. But that doesn't make burglary good or justified.

The end doesn't justify the means and all that.

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Golden Goat posted:

The end doesn't justify the means and all that.

Except when it does.

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(
He Was No Angel

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012

Tiggum posted:

If you break into someone's house to steal their stuff, and it turns out they're a kidnapper holding a victim there, the result may be that the victim gets rescued. But that doesn't make burglary good or justified.

Burglary and Doxxing are not equivalent. One is using public information to do something that breaks social standards, the other causes actual property damage and monetary loss.

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
Hey, just want to point out that I never went digging for bad things people did. If I stumble across a reply on Twitter or something, I'm conscious of the fact that people have to work with a guy who sends women rape threats. If a guy knocks you over in his car and drives off, and you find out later he was a taxi driver, you might have something to say. Same sort of thing.

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

EvilGenius posted:

Hey, just want to point out that I never went digging for bad things people did. If I stumble across a reply on Twitter or something, I'm conscious of the fact that people have to work with a guy who sends women rape threats. If a guy knocks you over in his car and drives off, and you find out later he was a taxi driver, you might have something to say. Same sort of thing.

I'm sure you didn't so don't worry about it. People just really want to argue if Doxxing is okay if the person you target is bad.

Tetracube
Feb 12, 2014

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
yeah gators are hugely defensive of child porn, you pretty much know they're pedophiles beforehand

uranium grass
Jan 15, 2005

trapped mouse
May 25, 2008

by Azathoth
http://imgur.com/gallery/p94Fh

Great gallery. Half of the images are whining about how we can't make more movies with overly sexualized young girls, the other half are just incredibly dull and wrong opinions, and most of the comments are calling the OP out on his bullshit.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012



I'll have you know I treat my pokemon very well.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
http://imgur.com/gallery/p94Fh

:jerkbag:

AlliedBiscuit
Oct 23, 2012

Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?!!

unwantedplatypus posted:

Why in God's name did I delve into youtube comments. Why am I still arguing. What the gently caress is wrong with me? :negative:

This person actually does a pretty good job of summing up the mental gymnastics many racists go through to justify their racism. "I don't hate black skin, you can only be racist if you hate black skin! I just hate most people who have black skin because I despise their culture! Not racist!"

TrekBek
Mar 27, 2013

slug life
so, I was arguing with a bernie4trump guy on facebook. that fizzled out, but I guess we'd exchanged too many not nice words for this one.



one day I'll tell my grandchildren I lost my leg in a truth bomb attack during the woke wars of '16.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Revenge of the Nerds was pretty rapey.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

They only doxxed Aatrek because they were mad at being probated from Star Trek. They didn't know what they'd find.

it's like how the Unit 731 war crimes advanced our understanding of human biology. Or how the creation of nuclear weapons led to a cool Call of Duty level. Even the greatest evils can sometimes do good.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
Yeah but do you really believe they can't make movies like those anymore because of dem goddamn sjw ? :bahgawd:

Because that's pretty much what this post says.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

Aphrodite posted:

it's like how the Unit 731 war crimes advanced our understanding of human biology. Or how the creation of nuclear weapons led to a cool Call of Duty level. Even the greatest evils can sometimes do good.

Seeing your second example makes me doubt your sincerity on the whole thing, but just in case the 731 stuff was completely unusable from a scientific point of view afaik.

Electric Lady
Mar 21, 2010

To be victorious
you must find glory
in the little things

Aphrodite posted:

it's like how the Unit 731 war crimes advanced our understanding of human biology. Or how the creation of nuclear weapons led to a cool Call of Duty level. Even the greatest evils can sometimes do good.

Source your quotes.



This guy hasn't seen anything that wasn't a big budget Hollywood movie in the past ten years.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Aphrodite posted:

I think it's because men are generally under more pressure, and are also discouraged from showing any weakness.

this is why FEWER men attempt suicide - men get trained to deal with emotions instead of vomiting them our indiscriminately - this is a GOOD thing.
IMHO we need a lot more of this - a lot more stuff like executive function training.
Men commit suicide more because they choose more effective methods.
if we teach men to deal with emotion like women, men will try it more & since men do it better the pile of dead men's bodies will be a mile high as more of us attempt suicide and actually GET THE JOB DONE.

Puntification posted:

Presented with that fact they would only argue that it means women only attempt suicide for attention.

[–]lovewomenhatebitches
Also women who attempt suicide often fail because their attempt is just a cry for attention.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Electric Lady posted:

Source your quotes.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, sometimes a joke is just a joke.

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



Fathis Munk posted:

Nah, LoB just quotes without tag. FAROOQ is more of a PCOSbill in that they just drop by, say something inflammatory and watch goons fall for it.

PCOSbill is at least funny while he trolls goons relentlessly.

unwantedplatypus posted:

Burglary and Doxxing are not equivalent. One is using public information to do something that breaks social standards, the other causes actual property damage and monetary loss.

Yeah, as much as I'm against doxxing, comparing it to burglary isn't a good analogy.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

Fashionable Jorts posted:

PCOSbill is at least funny while he trolls goons relentlessly.

:agreed:

Though oldpainless is probably my favourite gimmick poster if only because he's so innocent. PCOSbill takes second place and FAROOQ, I'm sorry but you're third.

Tetracube
Feb 12, 2014

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
lol "trolling"

I too cannot fathom the idea of goons being stupid unintentionally

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




This name you gave your Duskull sucks, and all your names for your Pokemon suck

china bot
Sep 7, 2014

you listen HERE pal
SAY GOODBYE TO TELEPHONE SEX
Plaster Town Cop
IoSM: I too cannot fathom the idea of goons being stupid unintentionally

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Fathis Munk posted:

Seeing your second example makes me doubt your sincerity on the whole thing, but just in case the 731 stuff was completely unusable from a scientific point of view afaik.

About the only interesting thing unit 731 did was allow extensive monitoring of the effects of frostbite. But the only real use of that information is how horrible it would be to freeze to death.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

I want to believe but this has to be fake.

Bonster
Mar 3, 2007

Keep rolling, rolling

I'm going to put their ages at about 8.

I really hope I'm right.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

unwantedplatypus posted:

Regardless whoever doxxed him did so without knowing he was a pedophile beforehand, should aatrek not have been doxxed then?

The whole thing is pretty funny IMO. Aatrek was a jerk mod that banned people for no reason. Enough people got pissed off that they doxxed him and found out he was a convicted felon. But it also turns out that he actually already paid restitution and served his time in prison. I'm not convinced that he should have been banned from the forum. If anything it would have been funnier if people could poo poo on him while he does an AMA or something. He was definitely a lovely mod though.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

He would never have posted again after that so it doesn't really matter much.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

poptart_fairy posted:

If the right people are victims, bad things are actually good. :)

Goons seem to agree overwhelmingly.

timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy

Aphrodite posted:

He would never have posted again after that so it doesn't really matter much.

You ain't kidding. Morally Inept alluded to loving a dog once when he was a kid in a thread like 7-8 years ago and to this day he still can't post anywhere without someone, uh, politely reminding him of that remark

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Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?

timp posted:

You ain't kidding. Morally Inept alluded to loving a dog once when he was a kid in a thread like 7-8 years ago and to this day he still can't post anywhere without someone, uh, politely reminding him of that remark

:stare:

Uh. Yeah. Well...

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