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Krampus Grewcock posted:Not only are they messing with his friend, they're messing with his food. Luffy gonna gently caress poo poo up. I kinda want to see Sanji just deal with this on his own though. Luffy can take care of Big Mom's side and they can just meet in the middle.
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sanji couldn't beat a guy that luffy and zoro could oneshot, and robin/jinbei could probably beat
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Jul 21, 2016 22:25
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I liked how Sanji was barely trying, every time he got knocked down he just had this look of annoyance on his face
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Jul 21, 2016 22:26
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Sanji needs to take over Germa and add it to Luffy's fleet.
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Jul 21, 2016 22:28
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Mulderman posted:Sanji needs to take over Germa and add it to Luffy's fleet. he's going to marry pudding and do this, while carrot takes his place
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Jul 21, 2016 22:28
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oddium posted:he's going to marry pudding and do this, while carrot takes his place This is acceptable.
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Jul 21, 2016 22:31
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 Mr. Prince >>>> overexcitable rabbit luffy any day.Fite me
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Rigged Death Trap posted:
There's no need for that, we're all civilized people here, we can compromise. Sanji marries Carrot and she joins the crew.
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Jul 21, 2016 23:35
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Sanji goes to the wedding and when they take off the cuffs to put the ring on and he can take his vows appropriately, he spin kicks everyone in the vicinity except for any women and uses that opportunity to escape
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Jul 21, 2016 23:57
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The Lord of Hats posted:Sanji marries Carrot and she joins the crew. He certainly did have an eye for the minks back in Zou.
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Jul 21, 2016 23:59
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Krampus Grewcock posted:Not only are they messing with his friend, they're messing with his food. Luffy gonna gently caress poo poo up. Also there's an evil tyrant despotically ruling over islands made of food. The whole arc is designed to get Luffy right in the stomach, and his fury will be legend. Man, I don't want to see what happened to Sanji's mom though. Got a feeling she's a commoner chef who got kicked out of the palace after giving birth to the kids and Sanji is the only one trying to help her out. Then she'll tell Sanji to get on the ship and work in the kitchen, while she goes and talks to his dad. Only in the final show down Sanji's dad will talk about all the horrible things he did to her and how she knew it was coming. Also it's 50/50 that Sanji's dad is responsible for the semi-rogue wave that caused Zeff to loose his leg and stranded them on the island.
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Jul 22, 2016 02:28
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oddium posted:sanji couldn't beat a guy that luffy and zoro could oneshot, and robin/jinbei could probably beat I'm assuming you mean Virgo, but I've no idea why you think Luffy or Zoro could one shot him since Law used his devil fruit in conjunction with his sword to cut him, not just his sword on it's own. And one of his devil fruit's most basic abilities is the ability to slice up people extra good. I can see Jinbei beating him, but I can't see Robin doing so, since even with extra or giant limbs I doubt she has the strength necessary to overcome his abilities.
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Jul 22, 2016 02:46
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Sanji's body was also pretty beat up since Caesar defeated Nami while she was still in Sanji's body. That's my excuse.
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sanji didnt wanna go TOO hard plus we have no idea how strong his father is plus all the gimmicks plus his last attack he suckered on and impaled a person just to get to sanji how could you all hate sanji this is year of the sanji HES GONNA DO SOMETHING THAT GONNA MAKE YOU ALL ACCEPT HES IN THE MONSTER TRIO STILL ODA DIDNT FORGET AND I DIDNT EITHER edit: the guy above me is right on the point before nami destroyed sanjis body and she AND him comment on it at various points
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Jul 22, 2016 10:09
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I figure Sanji just let his dad beat him cause if you look at his expression when he's taking the blow he doesn't look like he's in major pain or anything. I feel like Sanji didn't want to prolong the fight once his wuss of a dad brought in literal body guards and stabbed through them cause that's not something you really want on your conscience. It's not like the fight really had much at stake, and the bracelets came after the fight out of the blue.
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Jul 22, 2016 10:36
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Yeah, a little bit of artificial drama there, not really needed.
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it was more to show his dad and his ideals,and sanji flashbacks with call outs to man in the iron mask AND finding out sanji is a swordfighter which brings 4 musketeers (the sequel) into it too idk i liked it and the panel of the spear going through the guy was pretty cool and gutless for one piece
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Jul 22, 2016 11:15
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If the arc was essentially Sanji's Great Escape with him getting to employ all four limbs against the food creatures amongother things, I feel like it would be sufficiently amazing
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Jul 22, 2016 11:42
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Duval is the man in the iron mask.
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We can't see the eyebrows of Sanji's father and his mustache isn't curled either so this must mean that he isn't their biological father quote me on this (until we see Sanji's mother has curly eyebrows)
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Jul 22, 2016 16:40
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tsob posted:I'm assuming you mean Virgo, but I've no idea why you think Luffy or Zoro could one shot him since Law used his devil fruit in conjunction with his sword to cut him, not just his sword on it's own. And one of his devil fruit's most basic abilities is the ability to slice up people extra good. I can see Jinbei beating him, but I can't see Robin doing so, since even with extra or giant limbs I doubt she has the strength necessary to overcome his abilities. i was talking about sanji's dad but i forgot about virgo. it's super nice that they let sanji be a part of the monster trio still. also i believe in robin
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oddium posted:i was talking about sanji's dad but i forgot about virgo. it's super nice that they let sanji be a part of the monster trio still. also i believe in robin
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oddium posted:i was talking about sanji's dad but i forgot about virgo. it's super nice that they let sanji be a part of the monster trio still. also i believe in robin Then the point is even more silly since not only is Sanji very obviously not taking the fight seriously and ducking out at the first opportunity, but we have no idea of Judge's actual strength since he's unlikely to have shown his full hand either. RealFoxy posted:He hasn't had a serious fight in some time where he wasn't already injured but yeah, the Monster Trio basically broke up when we found out that there were only two Supernovas on the Straw Hats. Wouldn't that have been because Zoro was a known individual and Sanji wasn't? He had no real picture at the time I think and had been doing his Mr. Prince thing during their biggest escapades so that he wasn't as public about stuff as Zoro.
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tsob posted:Then the point is even more silly since not only is Sanji very obviously not taking the fight seriously and ducking out at the first opportunity, but we have no idea of Judge's actual strength since he's unlikely to have shown his full hand either. For a time they were on pretty equal footing with Sanji being a lot more clever and resourceful but Zoro edged out in Waters 7, took Kuma head-on, and just kept getting stronger and stronger. I don't know how much stronger Sanji is than the rest of the crew are post training, who knows what kind of tricks Usopp and Nami have that could make them more dangerous, and Brook and Franky are much stronger too (But haven't had serious fights either). RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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Sogeking got a bounty in the first place for shooting down the World Government flag. Usopp hadn't had any before that point. Bounties are awarded for perceived threat, which is partially based on beating strong people but also partially based on things that you do that mark you as a threat to the World Government. Zoro got his first bounty for beating up 100 odd bounty hunters on Whiskey Peak, even though they were all individually weak, the second for beating Kaku and the third for beating the Donquixote Family - which everyone got a bounty increase for (bar maybe Chopper). Sanji got his first one for beating Jyabura, but because he hadn't been observed doing anything public like beating/killing a lot of people or standing in the way of a Warlord he didn't get included in the Supernovas. I'm pretty sure Zoro was in because his bounty poster was higher than 100 million as a known threat who'd done something that people held in esteem, while Sanji wasn't in since he was still a step behind Zoro at that point. His bounties are always behind Zoro in time, since he didn't get his till Zoro got his increased, and again didn't get an increase till Zoro got a second one. Usopp's is higher than most of the crew at the moment because of what he did freeing all the toys/slaves on Dressrosa and not because he's held to be a particularly strong fighter.
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Jul 22, 2016 17:53
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Why is anyone afraid of explosions in One Piece? I'm pretty sure every single arc of one piece involved someone getting hit by a bomb. Usopp was even kicked in the face with exposions on Little Garden. The only thing that kills you is drowning, flashbacks and being Ace.
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Sub Harrison posted:Why is anyone afraid of explosions in One Piece? I'm pretty sure every single arc of one piece involved someone getting hit by a bomb. Usopp was even kicked in the face with exposions on Little Garden. The only thing that kills you is drowning, flashbacks and being Ace. Same reason people are afraid of rubber bands, it hurts. Also you lose your teeth for a bit and your eyes go white. Ya don't want that, no sir. (But it'd be insanely boring if the characters new one piece tropes that the readers knew).
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I think that Zoro is stronger than Sanji, because he's just straight-up ridiculous at this point, but I also think that the gap between them isn't so huge that Sanji wouldn't give Zoro a real run for his money, or that Sanji isn't the third-strongest fighter among the Strawhats (although that's by a smaller margin than it was before, given the progress from everyone else). Mainly I think that we haven't seen Sanji really bust out the results of his training yet.Space-Bird posted:Same reason people are afraid of rubber bands, it hurts. Also you lose your teeth for a bit and your eyes go white. Ya don't want that, no sir. (But it'd be insanely boring if the characters new one piece tropes that the readers knew). Hey now, people are scared of rubber bands because the Usopp Rubber Band is the most devastating weapon known to mankind. It's one of the ancient weapons that the poneglyphs warn about. The Lord of Hats fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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Also consider that Zoro spent pretty much his whole life training, and spent his time prior to meeting Luffy as a bounty hunter who had become notorious enough that everyone in East Blue knew his name; meanwhile, Sanji's spent a good chunk of his life cooking on boats, yet is still tough enough that he can share a spotlight with Luffy and Zoro. Yeah, Zoro's ahead of him, but only because he's trained more. Also, consider that the Newkamas are all experts in hand-to-hand combat, so Sanji spent two years not just brushing up on his cooking skills, but also learning how to defeat some of the best hand-to-hand fighters in the world (which likely included Ivankov, who could beat Kuma). I don't think Sanji's as far behind as people think.
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Jul 22, 2016 18:34
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This might be way too obvious, but the way Germa fights seems like a setup for a flashback to Zeff's Spear of the Heart line.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Hey now, people are scared of rubber bands because the Usopp Rubber Band is the most devastating weapon known to mankind. It's one of the ancient weapons that the poneglyphs warn about. Pluton, Posiedon, and Usopp'un.
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QuantaStarFire posted:Also consider that Zoro spent pretty much his whole life training, and spent his time prior to meeting Luffy as a bounty hunter who had become notorious enough that everyone in East Blue knew his name; meanwhile, Sanji's spent a good chunk of his life cooking on boats, yet is still tough enough that he can share a spotlight with Luffy and Zoro. Yeah, Zoro's ahead of him, but only because he's trained more. Also, consider that the Newkamas are all experts in hand-to-hand combat, so Sanji spent two years not just brushing up on his cooking skills, but also learning how to defeat some of the best hand-to-hand fighters in the world (which likely included Ivankov, who could beat Kuma). They have two different kinds of strength. Zoro is raw power while Sanji has a lot more finesse about him. Look at Zoro and his opponents over time and that's a summary of his strength; things like the 108-pound cannon, slicing up Pica's rock body, Kaku slicing off the top of the Tower of Justice, Mihawk slicing through that giant, frozen wave from half a mile away. Sanji, on the other hand, tends to have a more subtle approach to things. He targets specific parts of his enemies to maximize damage, he does his Mr. Prince routine, and even restructures people's faces with his attacks. He still kicks ridiculously hard, but he can't cause as much wanton destruction as Zoro can.
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RealFoxy posted:Not exactly, since Sogeking was the one who set the World Government flag on fire and didn't get that much of a boost. Sanji was there the whole time but Zoro was taking down a lot more high profile people and generally regarded as a lot stronger. The years they spent training isn't even comparable either, Zoro spent time with the strongest swordsman in the world and Sanji spent his time running away from Okama and learning to cook new things. Franky won the most hard boiled fight in history .. and you still think he's not serious?
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The Lord of Hats posted:Mainly I think that we haven't seen Sanji really bust out the results of his training yet. If Sanji goes super saiyan by putting on a pretty sundress and obliterates his family and the Germa army, I'll take back everything I said about Sanji's 2-year training.
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Shoren posted:They have two different kinds of strength. Zoro is raw power while Sanji has a lot more finesse about him. Look at Zoro and his opponents over time and that's a summary of his strength; things like the 108-pound cannon, slicing up Pica's rock body, Kaku slicing off the top of the Tower of Justice, Mihawk slicing through that giant, frozen wave from half a mile away. In this vein as well, it's worth noting that Zoro doesn't really do much other than be stupid strong, while Sanji has a double major in fight cooking and a minor in subterfuge.
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RuBisCO posted:In this vein as well, it's worth noting that Zoro doesn't really do much other than be stupid strong, while Sanji has a double major in fight cooking and a minor in subterfuge. Sanji's minor is subterfuge is why I liked him so much in the past. It has been sorely lacking for so long. Please Oda, give this to me.
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lowercase16 posted:If Sanji goes super saiyan by putting on a pretty sundress and obliterates his family and the Germa army, I'll take back everything I said about Sanji's 2-year training. He strikes me as more of an Ao dai kind of man.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Sanji's minor is subterfuge is why I liked him so much in the past. It has been sorely lacking for so long. Please Oda, give this to me. I mean, he's doing exactly this now. Undermining a yonkou's entire operation by sneaking in based on his connections sounds like some Mr. Prince poo poo to me. He's even literally a prince now.
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he didn't sneak in and he didn't even want to be here tho I guess he could do something like that now but it wasn't his intention
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Manatee Cannon posted:he didn't sneak in and he didn't even want to be here tho I think he pieced together a plan during the dinner with Capone. If he didn't have a plan, he might have kept his crewmates with him to keep them safe and so he'd have more options in which to take action later. Might be wishful thinking on my part, I suppose. I love when Sanji figures out something important and executes a plan without anyone knowing.
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