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fknlo posted:If you haven't seen it, Jon Stewart had a pretty good bit on The Late Show last night God drat I needed this today.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think some people resent "having" to vote for Clinton. They feel like their votes have to be "earned". Wowza
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HorseRenoir posted:Yeah, I think what people fail to realize about American politics is that the two major parties are really just two large coalitions of various groups (although recent polarization has changed things somewhat). There's no real difference between the Democratic Party and a coalition of various smaller left wing parties beyond more central organization. The real difference between the Democrats and a coalition of left wing parties is the "left wing ideology" part.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think some people resent "having" to vote for Clinton. They feel like their votes have to be "earned". Lol, heaven forbid you want the person you're voting for to advocate for your policies. No, in fact, our political betters deserve those votes and you are selfish for denying them their god given right.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:14
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Did Manafort take Trump off the Teleprompters? Because he's going on about Cruz's dad and JFK again
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HorseRenoir posted:Yeah, I think what people fail to realize about American politics is that the two major parties are really just two large coalitions of various groups (although recent polarization has changed things somewhat). There's no real difference between the Democratic Party and a coalition of various smaller left wing parties beyond more central organization. The point is that the big lump of Not Republicans all have varying opinions and values, but they're forced to band together to oppose the lockstep-voting idiots. This weakens the Democrats considerably since they can't do anything without an internal slapfight. Of course, that kind of debate for every decision isn't actually a bad thing when applied to a whole government, but for one party it's crippling.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:15
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Jul 22, 2016 16:16
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Nitrousoxide posted:Lol, heaven forbid you want the person you're voting for to advocate for your policies. I Need Serious Convincing To Prevent A Literal White Supremacist From Taking Power
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Jul 22, 2016 16:17
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"we've been winning all our lives" hahahaha gently caress you trump
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Jul 22, 2016 16:17
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Yeah he's currently relitigating the primary, bringing up that he said Ted Cruz Sr was the second shooter and calling Heidi Cruz ugly only to say he didn't, and calling out the other guys he beat. https://twitter.com/Isikoff/status/756504289569144832
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Jul 22, 2016 16:19
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emdash posted:"we've been winning all our lives" hahahaha gently caress you trump isn't trump's entire life basically a string of hilarious failures only undermined by blatant theft and privilege?
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Jul 22, 2016 16:19
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zoux posted:Yeah he's currently relitigating the primary, bringing up that he said Ted Cruz Sr was the second shooter and calling Heidi Cruz ugly only to say he didn't, and calling out the other guys he beat. He's also adding Japan, S Korea, SA and Germany to his list of countries that must pay tribute to us.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:20
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Nitrousoxide posted:Lol, heaven forbid you want the person you're voting for to advocate for your policies. Your fellow man deserve those votes to keep them from the serious lovely nightmare of a Trump presidency, and you are loving selfish for going "nah I'll be safe either way in my privileged existence, make it worth it to me".
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Jul 22, 2016 16:21
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People keep saying Kaine is the safe pick. So, what's so dangerous about Perez?
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Nitrousoxide posted:Lol, heaven forbid you want the person you're voting for to advocate for your policies. My policies do in fact include not letting a fascist take the reins of power.
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zoux posted:Yeah he's currently relitigating the primary, bringing up that he said Ted Cruz Sr was the second shooter and calling Heidi Cruz ugly only to say he didn't, and calling out the other guys he beat. hahahaha he's really mad about being forced to stay somewhat on topic last night
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Yinlock posted:hahahaha he's really mad about being forced to stay somewhat on topic last night https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/756509235584856064
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Yinlock posted:isn't trump's entire life basically a string of hilarious failures only undermined by blatant theft and privilege? even the most charitable account of Trump's life, if remaining honest, has to be a tale of privilege overcoming no hardship at all
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Theris posted:People keep saying Kaine is the safe pick. So, what's so dangerous about Perez? His last name is Perez.
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zoux posted:Yeah he's currently relitigating the primary, bringing up that he said Ted Cruz Sr was the second shooter and calling Heidi Cruz ugly only to say he didn't, and calling out the other guys he beat. But really, Trump's totally fine with Cruz not endorsing him. No big deal. Really.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:22
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FCKGW posted:His last name is Perez. Right, but is there anyone that that's a problem for who isn't already wearing a MAGA hat?
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Jul 22, 2016 16:23
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gradenko_2000 posted:My policies do in fact include not letting a fascist take the reins of power. You said politicians shouldn't need to earn your vote which is the most hilariously entitled thing I've ever seen.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:24
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I'm starting to think that we are living in the Dead Zone movie but 60% of the country has Christopher Walken's foresight power.
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Theris posted:People keep saying Kaine is the safe pick. So, what's so dangerous about Perez? He doesn't have a lot of experience on the national electoral stage and has virtually no elective office experience. He's also not terribly well known.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:25
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Honestly I think it's a no-brainer to have a Hispanic VP running against Trump of all people.
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Nitrousoxide posted:You said politicians shouldn't need to earn your vote which is the most hilariously entitled thing I've ever seen. Thinking of your vote is a commodity is actually even more entitled! HorseRenoir posted:Honestly I think it's a no-brainer to have a Hispanic VP running against Trump of all people. Whatever the pick, we can be assured they were brutally vetted, focusgrouped, workshopped and crafted to be what the D's think will be the perfect compliment for the upcoming election.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:25
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/756510335016833025 MIke Pence: "I've made a terrible mistake."
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Jul 22, 2016 16:26
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Nitrousoxide posted:You said politicians shouldn't need to earn your vote which is the most hilariously entitled thing I've ever seen. You'd have a point except in this case where one of them is an actual fascist and will ruin and end an incredible amount of lives if let into power. Context is important!
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zoux posted:Thinking of your vote is a commodity is actually even more entitled! I didn't say it was? But I'll bite, what is your vote then?
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Nitrousoxide posted:I didn't say it was? Civic responsibility.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/756510335016833025 Man, Trump's such a chump. He should have mentioned that many people believe that Ted Cruz is Ted Cruz. Sure, he hasn't weighed the evidence yet, but you gotta wonder...
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think some people resent "having" to vote for Clinton. They feel like their votes have to be "earned". Yinlock posted:I Need Serious Convincing To Prevent A Literal White Supremacist From Taking Power One of the problem Clinton supporters seem to have is that they have no idea why people wouldn't want to vote Clinton, and seemingly no conception of political action beyond voting. When you dismiss broad, diverse groups of people's reasons for disliking a candidate as "reasons you can't elucidate and can't admit are emotional in nature," you're talking out of your rear end. Plenty of people have been talking about why they dislike Clinton (for several threads), and explained reasons that have nothing to do with emotional reactions. If you aren't going to bother to respond to what people are actually saying, you can continue to convince absolutely no one of your ideas. The other problem, which I've mentioned before, is that people seem to think the Democratic party cannot fail, it can only be failed by voters, who by default owe their allegiance to the lesser of two evils. These same people will often ridicule the GOP for courting white supremacists, religious nuts, and other toxic groups, rightfully blaming the GOP for their own actions in alienating large blocks of voters. They will then miss how the Democrats, through their policies and actions, have alienated people, and just blame the voters, not the party.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/756510335016833025 The subtle emotions Pence is going through in this clip are really something.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/756511143686963201 Huh, wonder why he's feeling so bold.
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HorseRenoir posted:Honestly I think it's a no-brainer to have a Hispanic VP running against Trump of all people.
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Please keep going off-script, Donald. Please keep picking fights with your own party.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755972015249645568 *proceeds to make rally big deal out of it*
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zoux posted:Civic responsibility. It's your civic responsibility to vote for Hillary. It's her turn! Pay no attention to her policies. It's your civic responsibility to vote for her!
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Uranium Phoenix posted:One of the problem Clinton supporters seem to have is that they have no idea why people wouldn't want to vote Clinton, and seemingly no conception of political action beyond voting. When you dismiss broad, diverse groups of people's reasons for disliking a candidate as "reasons you can't elucidate and can't admit are emotional in nature," you're talking out of your rear end. Plenty of people have been talking about why they dislike Clinton (for several threads), and explained reasons that have nothing to do with emotional reactions. If you aren't going to bother to respond to what people are actually saying, you can continue to convince absolutely no one of your ideas. Actually I have no idea why people would want to let a fascist take power. Why is this so hard to understand? If Clinton loses, Trump wins. If Trump wins, everything is hosed. You don't get to act above the rabble when you remain silent as a white supremacist takes power.
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