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My workplace has become (has always been, really, but we've been temporarily moved to a smaller space so it's more evident) such a right wing echo chamber it's beginning to annoy me. Can't wait for another conversation about how guns are the best and/or liberals are so dumb for wanting to take are guns, or how muslims are the root of all evil or ~whatever~
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A liberal echo chamber would be really lovely too. Never discuss religion or politics in the workplace. It's not worth it.
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Jul 22, 2016 21:50
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Never discuss religion or politics Here to help.
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Jul 22, 2016 21:53
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That works too. That's my general approach, because it rarely ends well. Especially since just barely mentioning my religion nearly derailed the ticket thread. Some flexibility for close friends and family, obvs.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:00
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I only talk that stuff on forums because it's a throwaway conversation people will forget in two days, and we're all just internet random strangers anyways and who cares what they think.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:05
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B-b-but what if I get a red text avatar I don't find funny?
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Jul 22, 2016 22:10
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22 Eargesplitten posted:B-b-but what if I get a red text avatar I don't find funny? Time to start talking about AV.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:13
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Time to start talking about AV. Religion AV Health insurance SIP Gun control Crypto Rinse and repeat
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Jul 22, 2016 22:15
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Short of hoping they're a Goon and will read this, what is a polite way to tell a co-worker in a PMO that putting "**********Attention Required*****************" in a subject line is obnoxious?
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Jul 22, 2016 22:19
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Ynglaur posted:Short of hoping they're a Goon and will read this, what is a polite way to tell a co-worker in a PMO that putting "**********Attention Required*****************" in a subject line is obnoxious? Passive aggressive option, put a link to a style guide in your signature. Nicer way, bring it up in a group meeting and be super general about it, "hey I've seen some of us sending messages out like this, and it makes it hard to do text searches in the future because of generic subjects, can we try to do things this other more sensible way please?" rear end in a top hat method: cc the group and tell people to stop it with the bullshit.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:22
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22 Eargesplitten posted:A liberal echo chamber would be really lovely too. Yes. Sometimes they say some heinous poo poo. Most of the time I try to ignore it and change the subject to sports or something, but it doesn't always work.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:40
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I might have mentioned it before but when I lived in Denver my two favorite overheard lunchroom stories were the guy that said Gorbachev was living in the Presidio with a $50k per year stipend from the U.S. government, and the dude that believed literal witches were prowling Colfax boulevard. Literal "Double, double toil and trouble" witches. Colorado was like a honeypot for bigoted assholes. Six years of it and I couldn't take it anymore. Didn't help that for part of that I was working for the Sheriff's Office which acts as a concentrator for fuckheads.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:46
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It seems to me that Colorado should be getting its liberal on at a pretty steady rate now that weed is legal. I mean it won't push the cowboys out but at least it'll balance out the ratio a bit. That's my theory anyways.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:49
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Tigren posted:Religion Progressive tax systems and how this raise will make me bring home less money.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:50
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xzzy posted:It seems to me that Colorado should be getting its liberal on at a pretty steady rate now that weed is legal. Front range: liberal (except the Springs, conservative Christian gathering place that God keeps trying to burn to the ground) Eastern plains: conservative. Mountains: mixed bag. I'm pretty sure Colorado has gone blue every election since '04. Weed doesn't necessarily attract only liberals, Alaska legalized weed. Maybe they have more of the independent pioneer spirit out there since most of the state is still trying to kill them.
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Jul 22, 2016 23:10
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Front range: liberal (except the Springs, conservative Christian gathering place that God keeps trying to burn to the ground) I'd say that Colorados' actually fairly centrist. You have the red holdouts (plains on both sides of the mountains) and the blue holdouts (Boulder, Ft Collins), but the state assembly swings back and forth based on who is loving us the least.
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Jul 22, 2016 23:34
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E: nvm, E/N.
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Jul 22, 2016 23:41
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I've been waiting a month to apply an important software update to a critical piece of hardware (the device crashes if left unpatched) because someone at our company decided to make a change control process without really putting any of the process in place other than a change request form. So I filled the form in at the end of June, sent it where I was told to, chased it every few days since and heard nothing about whether the change is being approved or not, and not been scheduled to get this patch applied out of hours. The box hit the bug this evening and fell over. I have several copies of the emails where I've been desperately attempting to get the job approved.
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Jul 23, 2016 00:50
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Dick Trauma posted:3. We should shoot them with bacon bullets I will never understand what it is with right wing idiots and the forbiddenness of bacon in particular - it's certainly not forbidden to muslims if they're being tortured with it and it's my understanding that more than that, if you've been offered hospitality by someone and there's no non-pork choice you're fine to eat it then too.
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Jul 23, 2016 00:55
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It's probably less icky to think about and easier to digest for them than "maybe genocide can be OK if I'm the one doing it"
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Jul 23, 2016 00:58
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Volmarias posted:It's probably less icky to think about and easier to digest for them than "maybe genocide can be OK if I'm the one doing it" It's more that people are familiar with the Jewish prohibition, which is a little more hard nosed.
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Jul 23, 2016 01:04
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You're trying to ascribe logic to people holding onto irrational stereotypes. 
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Jul 23, 2016 01:09
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ookiimarukochan posted:I will never understand what it is with right wing idiots and the forbiddenness of bacon in particular - it's certainly not forbidden to muslims if they're being tortured with it and it's my understanding that more than that, if you've been offered hospitality by someone and there's no non-pork choice you're fine to eat it then too. I've known Jews and Muslims who have thrown up after finding out they have consumed pork products. I've also lived in an Islamic country where purchasing pork was forbidden. Never underestimate the depths of religion. And most of the right wing idiots you decry wouldn't stone someone for eating meat candy. Break open a pack of bacon in downtown Riyadh and see how your tortured Muslims respond. I have a sneaking suspicion it will either be biblical or koranical.
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Jul 23, 2016 01:42
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Sorry I posted online about overhearing your phone call.
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Jul 23, 2016 02:05
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Good thing I didn't suggest making GBS threads in a drawer in that guy's office and then sticking a tiny ISIS flag in it shortly before you  out, they would have known it was you.
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Jul 23, 2016 03:01
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One day I will have a drawer for someone to poo poo in. 
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Jul 23, 2016 03:31
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Dick Trauma posted:One day I will have a drawer for someone to poo poo in. Hot [poop] desking.
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Jul 23, 2016 13:13
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Arsten posted:Forgotten does not mean 'unobserved'. You fire up a game, you'll get pegged by the network guys. You play TV, assuming streaming, the same. If you bring in TV on your phone/whatever, other employees will notice and complain - especially if they are overloaded. This sort of thing is usually followed by termination. I thought we were talking about IT jobs here. Anyone here should be capable of not raising red flags, and I don't think you can become a forgotten employee if you are in a cubicle farm & being monitored (micromanaged).
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SEKCobra posted:I thought we were talking about IT jobs here. Anyone here should be capable of not raising red flags, and I don't think you can become a forgotten employee if you are in a cubicle farm & being monitored (micromanaged). I was forgotten as a help desk 3/almost a sysadmin employee. All of the monitoring was above my access rights (and 100% recorded). I was also in an office with windows on every wall, which was a management theme to observe employees by stalking around outside their offices. I simply had no one to report to and no reports of my own, which meant no reviews to get a raise or even a transfer. Because it happened in a merger, most of the managers dropped anything like a hot potato that wasn't assigned to them. Arsten fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Jul 23, 2016 14:26
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I have been forgotten at the VP level... but I control the monitoring and blocking. 
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Jul 23, 2016 14:29
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Dick Trauma posted:I have been forgotten at the VP level... but I control the monitoring and blocking. I wish this would have happened.
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Arsten posted:I was forgotten as a help desk 3/almost a sysadmin employee. All of the monitoring was above my access rights (and 100% recorded). I was also in an office with windows on every wall, which was a management theme to observe employees by stalking around outside their offices. Ok then I guess being forgotten in a somewhat lovely job keeps circumstances lovely.
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Jul 23, 2016 14:53
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SEKCobra posted:Ok then I guess being forgotten in a somewhat lovely job keeps circumstances lovely. It was a kick rear end job up until the merger. 
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Jul 23, 2016 16:10
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Arsten posted:It was a kick rear end job up until the merger. Dunno, panopticum workplace sounds lovely to me.
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SEKCobra posted:Dunno, panopticum workplace sounds lovely to me. That was the only real strange thing about working there, but it worked for the culture that existed. Before the merger, it was never oppressive and people moved around enough that being able to see through 10 walls to find them was a godsend. Even the monitoring on networks/etc was fairly lax and they didn't care unless someone asked them for your activity or unless you hit a porn site between the hours of 7 am and 6 pm. I say those hours because it was actually stated in the Tech Use Policy I signed when I started. I asked about the third shift and I was given a single line response: "Don't Ask - Don't Tell." They gave you both a standing desk and a sitting desk in your cubicle/office and you could setup one or the other (or randomly switch). They even had kick-rear end snacks provided on the company dime from a vending machine via your ID - they only asked that if you spent more than $10 a day that you'd make up the difference. There was an underground economy of snacks going on, too. People you fixed would commonly buy you a bag of fritos or twinkles or poo poo. It was "kick rear end" in every way, except for goofy windows. After the The new company came in and sold all of the standing desks and made an email announcement that standing in your cubicle was stealing time from the company. The snacks and coffee disappeared of course, except for one guy who had put in his contract that they would provide "doughnuts" every day (which was some sort of joke from before I worked there with the previous management). They would put two stale, plain cake-bread doughnuts in his office every day at 7 AM. He gave me one, once. it was like they purposely dug through the bargain penny bin at the grocery store every day. They even took the water fountain out. While I'm glad no one yelled at me about going to the bathroom or disappearing, being forgotten in that place was like having hot nails shot into your brain daily. Maybe if I was the VP like DIck Trauma was, i wouldn't have such a hateful view of being forgotten.....Also, making a VP salary would have made the nails a little less hot.
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Arsten posted:They even took the water fountain out. "He cleaned out that ice box as quick as a flash. Why, the Grinch even took their last can of Who hash."
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Jul 23, 2016 18:18
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That place quickly went out of business when everyone quit right?
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Arsten posted:That was the only real strange thing about working there, but it worked for the culture that existed. Before the merger, it was never oppressive and people moved around enough that being able to see through 10 walls to find them was a godsend. Even the monitoring on networks/etc was fairly lax and they didn't care unless someone asked them for your activity or unless you hit a porn site between the hours of 7 am and 6 pm. I say those hours because it was actually stated in the Tech Use Policy I signed when I started. I asked about the third shift and I was given a single line response: "Don't Ask - Don't Tell." They gave you both a standing desk and a sitting desk in your cubicle/office and you could setup one or the other (or randomly switch). They even had kick-rear end snacks provided on the company dime from a vending machine via your ID - they only asked that if you spent more than $10 a day that you'd make up the difference. There was an underground economy of snacks going on, too. People you fixed would commonly buy you a bag of fritos or twinkles or poo poo. It was "kick rear end" in every way, except for goofy windows. Well poo poo, thats some toxic poo poo. But also very unorthodox, I think most people here would be in a comfortable position if forgotten. I sure as hell wouldn't care.
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Bigass Moth posted:That place quickly went out of business when everyone quit right? Every single pre-merger employee that wasn't fired stayed for almost two years. I wasn't an smart enough to be an exception at the time, though I broke the dam. I left first and apparently, my leaving was considered "stabbing the company in the back". What can I say, it was the least I could do for those nice gentlemen.  Within about two months of my leaving, so many of the staff left that they just closed that office and terminated everyone who was left (including the new managers).Potato Alley posted:"He cleaned out that ice box as quick as a flash. Why, the Grinch even took their last can of Who hash." Your avatar says it all, so I'll just add:  SEKCobra posted:Well poo poo, thats some toxic poo poo. But also very unorthodox, I think most people here would be in a comfortable position if forgotten. I sure as hell wouldn't care. Maybe, but I also know that if I have no work for half a day sometimes, I start going stir crazy. I can't imagine I'm alone in that.
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Since our last merger: * No fruit in the kitchen. * Parking taken away and given to sales guys...one of which parks his weekend car there. * No pay reviews in three years. * Bonus/incentives removed (effectively a 6-10% pay cut) * Lots of retrenchments. * Lots of people quit. * Milk not to be used for cereal. * Tea/coffee removed entirely and then later replaced with cheap stuff. * All team building stuff gone, we had a bbq lunch ever other month, stuff like that. Its starting to even out again now. Outsourced replacement team didn't work out so well. So we matter again. Apparently. For a long time though it was like working in a death camp. Why not leave? My industry is small. Bills to pay. Have been waiting for a payout.
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