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Beyond also has the most practical usage of a universal translator ever depicted in Star Trek. It doesn't try to handwave away the weirdness of alien species speaking english from the get-go.
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Yeah the UT in STB works like we've always fanwanked the UTs in prior Trek would work. But in this movie they have the budget and the good sense to actually depict it that way.
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So, if I heard his backstory correctly, Krall and his nebula-planet/drones should also exist in the Prime timeline, right? Might make for an interesting novel down the line if so.
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Cross-Section posted:So, if I heard his backstory correctly, Krall and his nebula-planet/drones should also exist in the Prime timeline, right?
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Apropos of nothing, according to Simon Pegg, after the Kelvin incursion caused a universal split, changes rippled both directions down the timeline due to quantum poo poo and also the time travel loops that happen all the time in trek and poo poo like that.
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Just got back from seeing Beyond. That was the film that Star Trek as a franchise needed. God drat. The future of Trek is gonna be okay after all.
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Kazinsal posted:Just got back from seeing Beyond. Very much my feelings after seeing it. What a good movie.
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So I decided to make a list of subtle fanservice callback moments but my memory is already somewhat fuzzy after sleeping on it. Wonder if anyone else caught them / see if maybe I'm chasing ghosts:
There were a ton more but I can't for the life of me remember them anymore.  Will need to wait until I get a chance to see the movie again.Kazinsal posted:The future of Trek is gonna be okay after all. Whoa now, let's not say things we may later regret. CBS could still gently caress things up. The future of Trek movies is definitely a lot brighter, though. Drone fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Drone posted:So I decided to make a list of subtle fanservice callback moments but my memory is already somewhat fuzzy after sleeping on it. Wonder if anyone else caught them / see if maybe I'm chasing ghosts: I definitely didn't notice the sounds but I think maybe I've just seen so much Trek I just process that subconsciously as "yep, that's what a hologram is supposed to sound like."
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Jul 23, 2016 07:18
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I definitely didn't notice the sounds but I think maybe I've just seen so much Trek I just process that subconsciously as "yep, that's what a hologram is supposed to sound like." Yeah, there were a lot of signature LCARS beepboops.
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Jul 23, 2016 07:21
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Gonz posted:Beyond also has the most practical usage of a universal translator ever depicted in Star Trek. I dug Elba's performance too when it came to the dialect in the beginning, really giving a good impression IMO of an intelligent alien sounding out a foreign tongue.
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I really love the new transporter effect. Way closer to the original effect than the silly "spinning particles" from the first two JJtreks. Really digging the new 1701-A. We should be getting a closer look at it this weekend, as I suspect it's one of the surprises Eaglemoss will be showing off.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Really digging the new 1701-A. We should be getting a closer look at it this weekend, as I suspect it's one of the surprises Eaglemoss will be showing off. I bet it will grow on me like the last one, though personally I had my fingers crossed for more of a TOS movies throwback than a TOS show throwback. Strikes me as similar to some fan art of what people were hoping the reboot-prise was going to be when 09 was announced.
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The new warp effect is fantastic too, that outside view one when the Enterprise is zooming along toward Yorktown.
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Am I the only one who thought the planet sets looked/felt like modern effects updates of TOS sets? I mean that in the best possible way. Like the physical alien structures felt very sci-fi by way of 1960's to me. Edit: \/\/\/\/ Kesper North posted:... Remember, if you count Galaxy Quest (which you should) the even good/odd bad pattern still holds true. 8one6 fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Robutt posted:Idris Elba was good and while I felt like the villain's background and motivation were really, really interesting, they were revealed way too late for there to be any real meaningful exploration of the moral conflict between him and the crew. If they'd not held onto those details for a third act reveal and instead had it all be known much earlier in the film, we could have got a great deal more debate and character work which I thought Beyond kinda needed. Wow, yes, I thought so as well. I suspect Pegg just somehow missed that angle, wanting to frontload action since he was already doing a good number of character moments already. Kinda good to do one for your antagonist, though... Robutt posted:Also, the new warp effect is really cool and the 'field' jackets that Kirk and Chekov get to wear are so snazzy! Yes! I loved them. Also the whole thing with Uhura's necklace cracked me the gently caress up. Hell, I even liked the dumb motorcycle, which turned out to be kind of cool. And Sabotage, and even Kirk's callback to it in the first movie. Just fun stuff. Go see Beyond. It's really great. Also, obviously the Kelvin timeline is a mirror... So the odd numbered movies are good now 
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Watch Beyond. It's certainly an action/sci-fi movie, but it pretty much succeeds in every way that Into Darkness fails. The plot ultimately makes sense; the film sets up locations and questions that pay off at the end. You get to see more of the universe (and Federation) in ways that you wish earlier Trek would show beyond implied scale. When a movie generally works, it works. Thank you, Justin Lin, Simon Pegg, and Doug Jung. Timeline questions: The USS Franklin belongs to the first class of ships to achieve Warp 4. The NX-01 in Enterprise was the first to achieve Warp 5. (And if you have to ask, the ships in "First Flight" went Warp 2.5 and Warp 3.) So I assume the Franklin was around throughout the entirety of the Enterprise era, but didn't really do much exploration until after the Romulan War, I guess? So it was a United Earth ship before it was a Federation ship? I can fanwank it by thinking maybe the engines were upgraded to Warp 5 or something later. Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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So it's coming out a lot of people think Krall was slightly underwritten (a minor critique in an otherwise pretty awesome movie IMO), but nonetheless I feel the need to ask if there is something I'm missing with his motivation. So he's an ex-soldier who resents the Federation for abandoning him and just wants to commit genocide for non-specific revenge? Is that all? Was there more of an agenda or a point to prove?
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8one6 posted:Am I the only one who thought the planet sets looked/felt like modern effects updates of TOS sets? I mean that in the best possible way. Like the physical alien structures felt very sci-fi by way of 1960's to me. I thought the same thing. Between that, the TOS musical cues that kept popping up, and the rogue captain villain, Beyond really does feel like a modern episode of TOS. And I mean that in the best possible way. I know the previous JJ movies have had alien crew members, but it seemed like they really put an emphasis on it in Beyond. It went a long way toward making the crew representative of an actual federation of planets. I loved it.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I thought the same thing. Between that, the TOS musical cues that kept popping up, and the rogue captain villain, Beyond really does feel like a modern episode of TOS. And I mean that in the best possible way. That reminds me, I loving loved the TOS ]vibe of the fight cues between Kirk and Krall early on. It was classic Kirk vs. a lizard man stuff.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:So it's coming out a lot of people think Krall was slightly underwritten (a minor critique in an otherwise pretty awesome movie IMO), but nonetheless I feel the need to ask if there is something I'm missing with his motivation. So he's an ex-soldier who resents the Federation for abandoning him and just wants to commit genocide for non-specific revenge? Is that all? Was there more of an agenda or a point to prove? It's that, plus Krall's personal issues transitioning from soldier to peacetime captain. He specifically mentions how he hates the Federation because he fought two wars to keep humanity safe from aliens, only to have Earth ally with them and form the Federation.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:So it's coming out a lot of people think Krall was slightly underwritten (a minor critique in an otherwise pretty awesome movie IMO), but nonetheless I feel the need to ask if there is something I'm missing with his motivation. So he's an ex-soldier who resents the Federation for abandoning him and just wants to commit genocide for non-specific revenge? Is that all? Was there more of an agenda or a point to prove? He also wanted to go fight wars and be a soldier instead of a Federation explorer, but yeah pretty thin motivation considering he could have gotten home on his own.
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There's also the fact that he's a bit bugfuck crazy from the DNA rejuvenation splicer machine that prolongs his life. It starts as we've crashed on the planet Feds will send help, escalates to my crew is marooned and dying the Feds never came, to they don't loving care about me after all the wars man, to yes maybe kill all Fed humans survival of the fittest conflict make us betterer. Oh, plus that whole It's easy for a captain to get lost out in the great unknown that Kirk wrestles with.Echo Chamber posted:Timeline questions...
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FilthyImp posted:I think that Franklin has to be Post-Finale ENT. War is over, Federation established, more ships built in the NX-Style and that's when dude gets his captaincy. I thought they said the Franklin was the first Warp 5 ship, so let's say the NXprise achieves Warp 5 but can't hold it, while the Franklin can maintain it without a problem. Yeah, timeline-wise that's the only thing that's a bit sketch, since they say it was the first Warp 4 ship, but it's also got a higher registry number than the NX-01. I choose to interpret that it was a ship that was launched before NX-01 as a testbed for Warp 4, then mothballed when the NX-01's Warp 5 engine quickly made it obsolete, only then to be brought back up to spec/recommissioned with a new registry number in time for the Romulan War and then used as an exploration ship afterwards. That's the only way I can make it gel with the Enterprise timeline. That also gets backed up by the Franklin crew uniforms looking more advanced than those we saw in ENT. They're clearly of the same design lineage, but would reflect a few years' advancement after the Enterprise timeline. The Franklin's supply of gadgets (the medical stuff McCoy uses, the transporter, etc.) are also clearly Enterprise-era. Did anyone catch Jayla's line about how she learned English? The line came out a bit muddled in the theater I saw it in and I couldn't hear it. Also, she's a fun character who worked really well alongside Scotty and I hope we see her in the next one, she could make a good "new" main cast member since we now have the really unfortunate case of Anton Yelchin no longer being with us to play Chekov
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I liked Jayla too. Also thank goodness no shoehorned love interest. She's just her own person, though she bonds most with Scotty due to their shared mechanical bent. And the "offer to join Starfleet, if you want it" sounds like a pretty clear "if the fans will it" to me. Personally, I'd be quite fine with it.
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Kesper North posted:I liked Jayla too. Also thank goodness no shoehorned love interest. She's just her own person, though she bonds most with Scotty due to their shared mechanical bent. And the "offer to join Starfleet, if you want it" sounds like a pretty clear "if the fans will it" to me. Personally, I'd be quite fine with it. The only special lady in Scotty's life should be the Enterprise. I have a really hard time picturing otherwise.
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Drone posted:The only special lady in Scotty's life should be the Enterprise. I have a really hard time picturing otherwise. ample nacelles, if you'll pardon the, uh, engineering parlance
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Kesper North posted:I liked Jayla too. Also thank goodness no shoehorned love interest. She's just her own person, though she bonds most with Scotty due to their shared mechanical bent. And the "offer to join Starfleet, if you want it" sounds like a pretty clear "if the fans will it" to me. Personally, I'd be quite fine with it. With the unfortunate death of Anton (I will say I just saw the movie and it bummed me out every time he was on screen no matter how much I tried to avoid being bummed about it) I suspect her introducing is real good timing, and that she may very well take his spot on the bridge in the next film. I am also totally OK with that as she was a good well-defined character and like you said, they didn't see the need to saddle her with relationship stuff. That said, it was a lot of fun and the worst parts of the trailer were some of the best parts of the movie. Nice surprise. Kazinsal posted:Just got back from seeing Beyond. Whoever cut the trailer together should be demoted to the guy who cleans the trailer editor's desk. It was loving awful on nearly every level; the only sin it didn't do is giving a step-by-step of the whole movie. Those are the worst trailers. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Drone posted:Did anyone catch Jayla's line about how she learned English? The line came out a bit muddled in the theater I saw it in and I couldn't hear it. Also, she's a fun character who worked really well alongside Scotty and I hope we see her in the next one, she could make a good "new" main cast member since we now have the really unfortunate case of Anton Yelchin no longer being with us to play Chekov What I heard was "I learned it from my house." Her house being the Franklin, so she probably picked it up from the ship computer and whatever learning materials were on board. I liked her too, as well as her traps and how they played their parts later on.
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Gnome de plume posted:"I learned it from my house." Yes, that is what she said. As corny as hell as it was, I really dug the Sabotage scene and the "Classical music" line.
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If Beyond had only had the opening ten and closing ten minutes, it would have been okay. What utter poo poo otherwise. I'd rather go rewatch Nemesis.
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Been listening to the soundtrack. Man, I love everything about the Yorktown theme.
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Seriously echoing all the praise that Beyond is getting - it's pretty fantastic. I don't think I could have really asked for more, especially the numerous callbacks to Enterprise, which I always have a soft spot for. Also, just to remind everyone that we're supposedly getting the first official details on the new Trek series today.
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I want more starships in my spaceship movie, give us an Excelsior or something
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Auron posted:I want more starships in my spaceship movie, give us an Excelsior or something But yeah, no Wolf-359 taking apart the fleet moment during the Yorktown attack was a miss.
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HD DAD posted:Also, just to remind everyone that we're supposedly getting the first official details on the new Trek series today. It was announced yesterday that David Semel is directing the pilot, which is ... well, not particularly exciting, but I suppose he's competent enough. Auron posted:I want more starships in my spaceship movie, give us an Excelsior or something To hell with the Excelsior, it's ugly. (Honestly, as much as I criticize Nimoy as being a bland director, him deciding to go totally hands-off on the production design and letting ILM do everything on their own on The Search for Spock is one of his biggest sins, considering once they took over the ship and prop designs just kept getting worse and worse.) Timby fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Timby posted:To hell with the Excelsior, it's ugly. You take that right the gently caress back.
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The Excelsior is an ugly whale of a ship with misplaced Art Deco elements, a nonsensical drive section with stubby nacelle pylons, and an undersized saucer. It's hideous, and that's without even mentioning the bizarre teal and charcoal color scheme. gently caress the Excelsior.
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I figure if it's good enough design to last nearly a century it's a good ship. Also did we really see any of these in the dominion war?  PS this guy has a lot of good star trek space ship drawings http://unusualsuspex.deviantart.com/gallery/46703733/Orthos Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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