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Zanzibar Ham posted:Wow, have you never had people saying dumb things in your workplace? I guess this is enough to say they were all no angels. I don't know about you but where I work you'll get fired for racist emails.
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Nevvy Z posted:Accusing people of virtue signalling should have a rule like Godwin's where rscott now loses this and has to go away Literally the only reason why anyone gives a poo poo about this is because of its rhetorical utility as a cudgel against somebody, be that Clinton (in the case of Trump), Julian Assange (in the case of democrats) and by proxy I guess anyone who is defending him. Otherwise data leaks like these happen all the loving time and no one cares that much. People get notified, they get offered help with what to do when you're a victim of something like this. It's inconvenient to be sure but it isn't life ending in the vast majority of cases.
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Dubstep Jesus posted:So did anyone in here watch Kaine's acceptance speech? I haven't been that enthralled by a speech in a long time. Can't believe people called him the "boring" pick. Yes, it was really good! Guy isn't fiery, but he's charming and relatable and a fun guy, he'll be VP Dad and that's no bad thing. Plus being able to convincingly launch into Spanish may come across as pandering, but it's a big thing for a lot of people. The other thing I've heard a lot of people say is that his faith background will help with religious moderates who might be wavering. If he performs like this at the VP debate I'll have a poo poo-eating grin the whole time.
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The funniest thing is, Bernie already went on the record that he believes in God in November 2015, so this was pure slanderous insinuation they were contemplatingquote:Are you observant? http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/bernie-sanders-political-revolution-20151118
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Jul 23, 2016 20:07
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SedanChair posted:If I sent something like that to my CEO I would expect a formal reprimand at the very least, or even something more than "AMEN." Maybe he got a personal call or visit for the reprimand? One person says "AMEN" and suddenly everyone was totally fine with that idea (which is why they didn't do it)? And all the donors knew this was happening which is why it's okay to ruin their lives? And people can get away with saying a lot of stupid poo poo. You probably have more work experience than me so I'm surprised you don't know that.
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SedanChair posted:Bigotry is OK, or not worth mentioning, because after all it is the status quo. Yes, I think making up lies about a candidate goes too far, but suggesting that someone ask Sanders about his religious faith in hopes that he fucks it up and reveals that he's a crypto-atheist is well within the bounds of political discourse.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:08
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Necc0 posted:To be honest I'm kind of surprised that's the nastiest they got. That's loving some maple-story children tier "mud"
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Maybe he got a personal call or visit for the reprimand? One person says "AMEN" and suddenly everyone was totally fine with that idea (which is why they didn't do it)? And all the donors knew this was happening which is why it's okay to ruin their lives? The person who said "AMEN" was Amy Dacey, CEO of the DNC.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:09
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Reason posted:This is a huge problem right? Being attached to the ideals Bernie represented and then voting Hillary is kind of selling out. Bernie's biggest shtick was being against big money and Hillary is big money. I mean if your ideals are "I agree with democratic incrementalism" but you liked Bernie a little bit more than you probably aren't a sellout. But if you were like gently caress big corporations and big money and get money out of politics turning around and voting Hillary is kind of hypocritical considering on her actual record she tends to side with banks and big business. I think this all depends upon how you view the two party system. Many people that vote Clinton believe that it's the best way to advance Bernie's ideals because there's a much greater overlap between Hillary and Bernie's ideals, versus Trump. And Hillary has an enormous political advantage towards getting elected over a third party runner. Bernie himself believes this, and that is why he endorsed her.
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Mike the TV posted:I don't know about you but where I work you'll get fired for racist emails. Lucky you I guess.
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That's a damning thing that didn't happen.
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On Terra Firma posted:Tim Kaine seems like a nice guy. The difference in how Pence was introduced vs Kaine is pretty loving stark.  Raawr!
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SedanChair posted:The person who said "AMEN" was Amy Dacey, CEO of the DNC. Wait, so who's that one person everyone hates there? I thought she was in charge.
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tim kaines speech was far better than i expected. whether or not that matters is another question
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Wait, so who's that one person everyone hates there? I thought she was in charge. Yeah, the antisemitic smears of DWS were pretty pathetic.
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Bip Roberts posted:That's a damning thing that didn't happen. It's the CEO of the DNC literally endorsing the plan. It kind of doesn't matter that it didn't happen after that.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:11
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Reason posted:welfare of the country lol. If you support a capitalist institution then you don't care about the welfare of human beings in general and if all you care about is the idea of America and the welfare of the notion of America then its more that your identity as an american is under attack and sorry if that hurts your feels, but thats more your ideology being under attack than you caring about the people that live in a country. You paid money to post in an Internet forum whose electronics are built and sold to capitalist countries
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Ralepozozaxe posted:
If we find out Tim Kaine is a secret furry I'm going to be so mad at my abuela.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:12
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SedanChair posted:It's the CEO of the DNC literally endorsing the plan. It kind of doesn't matter that it didn't happen after that. A thing that didn't happen: literally as bad as a thing that did happen.
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SedanChair posted:It's the CEO of the DNC literally endorsing the plan. It kind of doesn't matter that it didn't happen after that. Yeah, it kind of does, because it means that there are enough institutional checks to prevent one person's stupidity from being enacted. It means there is resiliency in the system. But hey, you never did tell us how releasing donor data was crucial to getting us this non-story?
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I already said it wasn't crucial, it was careless. It's also not terribly important.Bip Roberts posted:A thing that didn't happen: literally as bad as a thing that did happen. Correct, the CEO gave approval and Democrats are such cowards that there is no interest in ousting her or even asking her about it.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:14
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Zanzibar Ham posted:One person says "AMEN" and suddenly everyone was totally fine with that idea (which is why they didn't do it)?. Pretty sure at one of the Town Halls someone did ask Bernie "Do you believe in god?". So maybe they did it, maybe they didn't. It kind of goes against the point of having a town hall where people get to ask honest questions for the DNC to then plant a specific Gotcha! question like that. Pretty sure Bernie aced the question better than any religious person would have though. Something about caring for everyone and how all lives effect others' lives.
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SedanChair posted:Correct, the CEO gave approval and Democrats are such cowards that there is no interest in ousting her or even asking her about it. Agreed, because it didn't happen so no one cares.
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Oh wow Sedan, did you miss this little E-mail?quote:Re: No poo poo And the AMEN reply is a direct reply to the above. Since he replied to this rather than to the original it's pretty clear he's doing the AMEN for the explanation as to why they wouldn't like an atheist.
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Reason posted:Pretty sure at one of the Town Halls someone did ask Bernie "Do you believe in god?". So maybe they did it, maybe they didn't. It kind of goes against the point of having a town hall where people get to ask honest questions for the DNC to then plant a specific Gotcha! question like that. Pretty sure Bernie aced the question better than any religious person would have though. Something about caring for everyone and how all lives effect others' lives. A quick check tells that happened on February, before the e-mail.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:17
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Yinlock posted:Actually I'm pretty sure if Wikileaks didn't just broadcast it all like morons they wouldn't have the chance to broadcast it. They used to take the time to do things like censor out things that appeared to be SSNs or credit card numbers even, in previous releases. It seems they just got super lazy in recent years?
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joeburz posted:tim kaines speech was far better than i expected. whether or not that matters is another question Is this online in full anywhere? I'm only finding small clips.
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And the biggest concern out of all this is that the DNC is so incompetent and heavy-handed that from time to time they make Donald Trump actually have a point. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/756804886038192128
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Yinlock posted:This is absolutely true, but I just don't think it justifies loving some innocent people over. "Let's try this potential gotcha question" is roughly a centibaelish on the nefariosity scale.
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fishmech posted:They used to take the time to do things like censor out things that appeared to be SSNs or credit card numbers even, in previous releases. It seems they just got super lazy in recent years? In fact during the cable leaks, they made a big deal about how they carefully scrubbed any personal information out of them.
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I don't quite understand why they were e-mailing peoples' personal info back and forth instead of using some secure database in the first place. They have a database with that information in it, and using plain text e-mail seems like a breach of trust for donors. I haven't actually been able to find a credit card number or social security number yet though, bunch of names.
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fishmech posted:It seems they just got super lazy in recent years? It was deliberate. The Wikileaks Twitter admitted as much.
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These leaks tell me nothing about the DNC I really care about compared to their existing problems with economics,race, drone warfare etc, and if this is the thing that makes you decide not to vote that way that seems like an incredible own goal.
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Reason posted:I don't quite understand why they were e-mailing peoples' personal info back and forth instead of using some secure database in the first place. They have a database with that information in it, and using plain text e-mail seems like a breach of trust for donors. I haven't actually been able to find a credit card number or social security number yet though, bunch of names.
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The Jew or atheist one is the only email I see being bandied around. Is that seriously the only incriminating thing they could find?
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I don't understand the impulse to defend the DNC over thinking it's OK to question someone's Jewishness. Do you guys think Hillary's campaign will implode if you admit that's a really lovely thing to do?
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greatn posted:The Jew or atheist one is the only email I see being bandied around. Is that seriously the only incriminating thing they could find? Pretty much.
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Nessus posted:I suspect the database was also stolen and made available. Could anyone link that then? I mean a whole bunch of people are angry about little old grandma's $5 but that poo poo ain't in here. So far it looks like it was mainly big donors who got to wine and dine el presidente that had their DOB and SS# leaked because they used plain text email to respond to an email from the organizer of one of those donor dinners.
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haveblue posted:Arguments like this are why normal people throw up their hands, disengage from politics, and don't vote. Hope this helps Feature, not bug. If everyone actually participated (someone is going to say this is bad thing, mob rule or something) the parties would be completely different.
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