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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Are there any edit:decent JRPGs that have an approximation of Suikoden's home base mechanic? Skies of Arcadia. The base and ship upgrade mechanics are somewhat similar. Breath of Fire 2 had one and if you followed the right events it could even become mobile. Xenoblade Chronicles has you rebuilding one of the towns through a series of mostly collection quests.
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Verranicus posted:Sengoku Rance  
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Jul 23, 2016 23:05
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Well. Uh. how about that. Edit: I learned today that "comedy rape" is a tag. Thanks.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:05
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sengoku rance is a
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Verranicus posted:7th Dragon 2020 and its sequels, Exit Fate, Infinite Space, Sengoku Rance, Eien no Aselia, Xenoblade (Though it's largely optional). 
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Jul 23, 2016 23:07
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ImpAtom posted:Edit: I learned today that "comedy rape" is a tag. Thanks.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:08
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I have changed my mind HyperDimension Neptunia is actually an underappreciated gem
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Jul 23, 2016 23:08
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Hey, he asked.
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Kanfy posted:People play old games all the time for various reasons, if one wants to play the very original version despite better ones existing then that's fine but saying that's what they "should" play is total nonsense. Are you one of those people that think you need to say "I think" or "IMO" before giving opinions or recommendations? It's my recommendation that if you're playing DQ1 for history, to see how far games have come, then you should experience the original. (With a speed up option) It might be interesting to see when games made you go into a menu to go down stairs or to see just how much grind it made you do. If you're not playing it for history, then it's pretty outdated and lovely on any version.
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So wait, he criticizes Compile Heart games but recommended an actual rape game for people to masturbate to? Somehow I'm not as surprised as I thought I'd be.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:09
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goodbye, verranicus
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I was gonna ask if Suikoden V is good but, uh, well, hm
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Harrow posted:I was gonna ask if Suikoden V is good but, uh, well, hm i hear it's alright, way better than suikoden iv
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Harrow posted:I was gonna ask if Suikoden V is good but, uh, well, hm It's very good, probably the best in the series after 2.
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Harrow posted:I was gonna ask if Suikoden V is good but, uh, well, hm It has an extremely slow start. The pacing is all kinds of screwed. It also has some fairly annoying load times. Having said that, once you get past all of that it's a great game and much better than IV.
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Harrow posted:I was gonna ask if Suikoden V is good but, uh, well, hm it's got a super long intro, load times up the rear end, and the villains are literal nazis only the jews are replaced with beavers, like not a fantasy beaver-esque race but just literal beavers that talk, and it bends backwards a little too much to reference every other suikoden game even when it doesn't make much sense, but it's a good game.
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Verranicus posted:Sengoku Rance Ahahahaha. ImpAtom posted:Several Etrian Odyssey games have some basic mechanics, as does 7th Dragon Code VFD. I think Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold is the only one that really has a building mechanic. The other games, not so much.
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I think I bought a copy of Suikoden V when it came out and dropped it during the slow start, so maybe I should try it again sometime. I do like me some Suikoden.
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If you get past the slow start I'd say V is the best after 2 but the start is pretty slow.
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the start is kind of fun because they clearly put a lot of care into the cutscenes, there's a lot of really fun one-off animations and actually decent voice acting, but yeah, it does take forever and the load times don't help.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:21
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i can't believe that's how the saga ends
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ImpAtom posted:If you get past the slow start I'd say V is the best after 2 but the start is pretty slow. Every time I think I want to play it again, I think about the tournament and I just put it back down. "Slow" almost doesn't do it justice.
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Harrow posted:I was gonna ask if Suikoden V is good but, uh, well, hm It's a lot better if you can emulate to get rid of the insane load times and general slow pace
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voltcatfish posted:i can't believe that's how the saga ends It isn't. Story wise the order of the games is 4, Tactics, 5, 1, 2, Suikogaiden 1, Suikogaiden 2, 3 with Tierkris having no connection to the rest. In terms of how good each one is from best to worst: 2, 5, 3, 1, 4, Tactics, Tierkris is how I rank them.
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Endorph posted:the start is kind of fun because they clearly put a lot of care into the cutscenes, there's a lot of really fun one-off animations and actually decent voice acting, but yeah, it does take forever and the load times don't help. I do feel the later events would have less impact without all the character connections and development of the intro, but it's definitely too long.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:26
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Suikoden V for whatever reason is the only rpg I really finished twice in the last decade, the characters and world is fun to be in for some reason. It has that kind of mixture of chill and serious intent that I want in my games.
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Sengoku Rance probably has pretty neat gameplay if Sengoku Gensokyo is anything to go by. The aforementioned tags have turned me off from ever playing it though.
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Oh yeah I was going to ask, I'm sorta interested in how 7th Dragon sounds but don't know anything about the series, is there an optimal game to start on?
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Golden Battler posted:Oh yeah I was going to ask, I'm sorta interested in how 7th Dragon sounds but don't know anything about the series, is there an optimal game to start on? 2020 if you care about the plot. It's aged well.
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vfd isn't as good mechanically as the 2020s, 7D is kind of detached from the rest and sorta really slow so uh, maybe 2020? 2020-II isn't in english although it's my favorite one. VFD might be a small letdown afterwards though
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Endorph posted:cold steel 2 is coming out in a couple of months and has an airship that you fill with NPCs who perform various roles onboard it, and about 20ish playable characters, which isn't suikoden levels but is fairly large.
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Golden Battler posted:Oh yeah I was going to ask, I'm sorta interested in how 7th Dragon sounds but don't know anything about the series, is there an optimal game to start on? There's only one that's even officially translated, so if that's a thing for you, then... I've never played the first or third ones, but from what I've heard the first is kind of boring and tedious, I found the second (2020) pretty cool if a bit easy, the 3rd (2020-II) is just an expansion of 2020 that improves it a bit overall, and the 4th (confusingly titled 7th Dragon III) is a slightly worse version of the 2nd, but still worth playing if you just really like character building RPGs like Etrian Odyssey.
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The first one is basically an Etrian Odyssey 1 clone, only with the gameplay being more JRPG than DRPG based. It is also really grindy. There is a fan translation that included an optional patch to reduce the number of damage tiles (which is the main gimmick of the game) and the encounter rate, which is absurdly high normally. If you choose to play that one, please apply said patch for the sake of your sanity. 2020 is when the series started doing their own thing.
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2020-ii isn't an expansion, it's a sequel. Granted it doesn't change much besides different classes and dungeons but the story is completely different.
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Verranicus posted:2020-ii isn't an expansion, it's a sequel. Granted it doesn't change much besides different classes and dungeons but the story is completely different. Expansions often have their own storylines, but from what I've heard it reuses most of the same assets and dungeons. Of course, III also reuses the entire final dungeon from 2020 for its postgame...
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The Colonel posted:i hear it's alright, way better than suikoden iv I found IV unbearable and never got very far, but I finished V and loved it. There was one minigame I was no good at and had to ask my wife to do for me so I could get all 108 stars, though.
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Clarste posted:Expansions often have their own storylines, but from what I've heard it reuses most of the same assets and dungeons. Of course, III also reuses the entire final dungeon from 2020 for its postgame... Ok but this would be like calling Lunar 2 an expansion to Lunar 1, they use some of the same assets but they're totally different games.
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I know the weirdo suggested it first but definitely play Infinite Space.
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Phantasium posted:I know the weirdo suggested it first but definitely play Infinite Space. Infinite Space is cool. Takes a while to figure out the combat but there's some pretty decent plot and characters there.
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I'm the weirdo that likes Suikoden 4, but I totally get why people don't like it. I just find tedious sailing to be relaxing or something! Also, it's kind of amazing how respectfully Konami treated Suikoden. After Murayama left the company, Konami stuck to making prequels and alternate universe spinoffs, rather than trying to continue the story without Murayama's direction. They preferred to not touch the story at all rather than risk getting it wrong. It just sucks that his rumored reunion with Konami never materialized and now clearly never will.
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