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Evil Mastermind posted:Vincent Baker. Man, gently caress that. I love Vincent Baker and D&D, but putting them together would be terrible for both. Vincent writes cooler stuff and doesn't deserve to be tied to D&D's weirdo poo poo, and he doesn't do the kind of crunch I want out of D&D. This. They should sell it to Count and then he could hire me and we would make the best loving D&D there ever was.
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You two took the best thing out of it which was tactical combat so I don't know how the rest would matter. Why would I want the stupid lore from FR and Greyhawk on Strike! ?
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Jul 23, 2016 20:19
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Count's D&D 6th Edition would have Eberron as the default campaign setting.
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Jul 23, 2016 21:14
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Countblanc posted:Count's D&D 6th Edition would have Eberron as the default campaign setting. shutupandtakemymoney.gif
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Jul 23, 2016 21:22
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Give it to me and I'll make Spelljammer the
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Jul 23, 2016 21:46
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Countblanc posted:Count's D&D 6th Edition would have Eberron as the default campaign setting. Hmmm.... I guess that's ok
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Jul 23, 2016 21:52
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Jimbozig posted:This. They should sell it to Count and then he could hire me and we would make the best loving D&D there ever was. Christ no. You wrote Bender jokes in place of any actual descriptive text in Strike - your generic RPG used memes in place of any actual content, making it extraordinarily generic. You'd be terrible at the very ungeneric D&D.
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Jul 23, 2016 22:37
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Arivia posted:Christ no. You wrote Bender jokes in place of any actual descriptive text in Strike - your generic RPG used memes in place of any actual content, making it extraordinarily generic. You'd be terrible at the very ungeneric D&D. I am a big big fan of 'implied setting' and I'd take a game like Burning Wheel that creates a setting through its mechanics and lifepaths over any edition of D&D's Forgotten Realms book. When I'm reading a book like that with lots of world description, I just get really bored. Give me a couple of pages of text and a bunch of mechanics that actually reflect and reinforce that text, thanks. As for whether I'd be any good at writing a non-generic RPG, I guess we'll both have to wait for me to write one and find out!
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Jul 23, 2016 23:04
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At this point I'd honestly think their best bet would be just licensing it to Paizo. Wizards turns their biggest competitor into a partner and Paizo gets to stop loving around and playing the RPG equivalent of the world's longest cover song. I don't think it'd be likely to happen on both fronts, but it'd be my suggestion. It wouldn't be a game I'd play, but pretending D&D is ever going to be the game marketed at me is a notion I'm pretty well over.
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Jul 23, 2016 23:28
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Arivia posted:Christ no. You wrote Bender jokes in place of any actual descriptive text in Strike - your generic RPG used memes in place of any actual content, making it extraordinarily generic. You'd be terrible at the very ungeneric D&D. I'm badass and very sexy, actually.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:19
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It should be me, actually.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:24
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i'd vote for fuego as the president of D&D
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Jul 24, 2016 00:26
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Jimbozig posted:Not gonna lie - as the forums' biggest FR fan, you probably wouldn't like what I'd do to D&D! If the past couple of editions proved anything, it's that you can't please everybody. Yes, I probably wouldn't. Look, you spent a page in this thread recently complaining about how the One Ring did everything wrong while missing the obvious focus on being like Tolkien in the Tolkien game. You're really, really bad at looking at other games and understanding what other people want out of them when it's different from what you like. You would be an absolutely horrible D&D designer because you aren't good at writing anything beyond what you're directly interested in, the way you're interested in it. Which definitely isn't how D&D works, especially after 4e and 5e. You can do an okay game system for yourself, but that's a far different task. quote:I am a big big fan of 'implied setting' and I'd take a game like Burning Wheel that creates a setting through its mechanics and lifepaths over any edition of D&D's Forgotten Realms book. When I'm reading a book like that with lots of world description, I just get really bored. Give me a couple of pages of text and a bunch of mechanics that actually reflect and reinforce that text, thanks. Great. That's not D&D, and hasn't been since literally OD&D. Feel free to write that yourself, but that doesn't make you at all good for D&D as a property. Your own heartbreaker was very heartbreaker-y, just a bunch of stuff you like from other systems cobbled together on top of what you didn't want to change about 4e. You don't seem to like D&D, and that's fine. But stop comparing yourself to D&D then. Do your own thing. You'll be better off for it. quote:As for whether I'd be any good at writing a non-generic RPG, I guess we'll both have to wait for me to write one and find out! Again, based upon the fact that you used Bender jokes and a bunch of memes in place of actual descriptive text in Strike, I'm going to say no. Plenty of generic systems have more inspiring components than what you bring to the table. And you know what? That's fine, it's honestly fine. It's like Malcolm Sheppard talked about somewhere around here recently - there's rules folk and setting folk, and you're a great example of the rules guy who thinks the setting is the easy part and you can dash that off at the end. You can't. You're just not good at. Keep doing the rules and get a setting person to work with you, and then maybe you'd have something though.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:28
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Fuego Fish posted:It should be me, actually. Your writing is completely trash and I'm genuinely surprised anyone besides your mother or your girlfriend ever bought a copy. You're a great cartographer though. Do that, you're actually good at it, and drop the adventures of Izzy Hartley Sucks A Dildo or whatever you're doing next. Or Frisky Dingo, your pile of racist colonialist bullshit. You would also be really terrible at designing some edition of D&D.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:30
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Arivia posted:Your writing is completely trash and I'm genuinely surprised anyone besides your mother or your girlfriend ever bought a copy. You're a great cartographer though. Do that, you're actually good at it, and drop the adventures of Izzy Hartley Sucks A Dildo or whatever you're doing next. Or Frisky Dingo, your pile of racist colonialist bullshit. You would also be really terrible at designing some edition of D&D. 
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Jul 24, 2016 00:41
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Man, you'd think they'd insulted Elminster or something.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:46
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dwarf74 posted:Man, you'd think they'd insulted Elminster or something. Insulting Elminister would be a step up from the virulent discourse going on right now.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:54
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Now I kind of want to claim I want to write D&D just so I can get brutally roasted. But it would likely consist of "I know nothing about you, so shut up."
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Jul 24, 2016 00:54
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Arivia tell me about the Bender quote and the memes. I didn't catch them in the least, because I have never watched Futurama and I generally mentally skip over memes.
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Jul 24, 2016 00:55
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NachtSieger posted:Arivia tell me about the Bender quote and the memes. I didn't catch them in the least, because I have never watched Futurama and I generally mentally skip over memes. On p. 27 in the kitchen sink fantasy origins, all of which have little ironic jokes in them. I wrote: "You're a magical robot. How cool is that?! You could act like Bender. Bender is hilarious and nobody ever gets tired of him." I think Arivia got a bit triggered because I didn't go into loving detail on the differences between Gold Dwarves and Fur Dwarves (it's the external ears).
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Jul 24, 2016 01:07
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NachtSieger posted:Arivia tell me about the Bender quote and the memes. I didn't catch them in the least, because I have never watched Futurama and I generally mentally skip over memes. afaik he's talking about this one sample Origin: Magical Robot You’re a magical robot. How cool is that?! You could act like Bender. Bender is hilarious and nobody ever gets tired of him. Skills: Liftng, Bending, Math, Enduring Elements Complications: Too Heavy, Too Noisy which is more making a joke than using a meme but i may not be on the up and up regarding futurama memes, i'm more into ragefaces these days
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Jul 24, 2016 01:08
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Jimbozig posted:I think Arivia got a bit triggered Really not helping your case here.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:10
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Arivia posted:Frisky Dingo, your pile of racist colonialist bullshit. Isn't this an Adult Swim show?
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Jul 24, 2016 01:10
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the original Sacred BBQ text does have some pretty fuckin lame dad jokes though which I will respect jim's e-cred and not post here, but i assure you i'm havin' a laugh rereading them and will insult him appropriately later
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Jul 24, 2016 01:10
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ProfessorCirno posted:Really not helping your case here. It's exactly what happened. The class dunce threw a fit while everyone else just rolled their eyes. Zurui posted:Isn't this an Adult Swim show? Yes. Frisky Dingo been around for 6-8 years? It's old by now. I think it's by the same people who make Archer.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:13
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Helical Nightmares posted:Yes. Frisky Dingo been around for 6-8 years? It's old by now. I think it's by the same people who make Archer. Yeah, but what does it have to do with SA Forums Poster Fuego Fish?
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Thanks for the clarification, I probably just forgot it completely  PS: Please don't misuse "triggered."
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Jul 24, 2016 01:16
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ProfessorCirno posted:Really not helping your case here. i dont want to come across as a cheerleader here so this is the last i'll say of it, but jim made a very conscious effort to have equal representation between men and women (and at least one non-binary identifying individual) as well as racial groups and differently-abled people such as one autistic character and another who is elderly and wheelchair-bound in his game's art as well as in the text, features several homosexual couples, and has an essay in the back where he talks about the importance of representation in the industry. i dont think he meant anything by that
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Jul 24, 2016 01:17
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Jimbozig posted:I think Arivia got a bit triggered because I didn't go into loving detail on the differences between Gold Dwarves and Fur Dwarves (it's the external ears). Don't be an idiot about goddamn triggers, thanks. And that kind of flippancy is exactly why you wouldn't make a good D&D designer - thematic differences and the creative concepts of a high elf or a drow are a lot of what D&D has built up, and are a lot of its identity. If you're going to make D&D, that's an essential part of making D&D. Zurui posted:Isn't this an Adult Swim show? My bad, I always get the name wrong. I can't remember what the name is, but Fuego has been nurturing his top comedy idea for years: a fish-out-of-water story about a magical Australian aboriginal who can turn into animals and show white people how to really live while solving crime or whatever. (Keep in mind Fuego is British and white as a sheet.) It's a painfully bad, unoriginal comedy idea that would have been trite in the 1960s, and it fits in right next to Mickey Rooney and the Cleveland Indians on the racism scale.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:18
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Countblanc posted:i dont want to come across as a cheerleader here so this is the last i'll say of it, but jim made a very conscious effort to have equal representation between men and women (and at least one non-binary identifying individual) as well as racial groups and differently-abled people such as one autistic character and another who is elderly and wheelchair-bound in his game's art as well as in the text, features several homosexual couples, and has an essay in the back where he talks about the importance of representation in the industry. i dont think he meant anything by that No, i'm pretty sure he did. He can try about something and still be bad about something else. Owning up to that is part of being a good person, let's see if Jimbozig does it.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:19
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Zurui posted:Yeah, but what does it have to do with SA Forums Poster Fuego Fish? Maybe he is a dingo. How he got wifi out there and a keyboard for his cute little paws we will never know. 
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Jul 24, 2016 01:19
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Arivia posted:No, i'm pretty sure he did. He can try about something and still be bad about something else. Owning up to that is part of being a good person, let's see if Jimbozig does it. alright, im sorry
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Jul 24, 2016 01:19
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You are an authority on nothing Arivia. Go back to Overwatch.
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Jul 24, 2016 01:21
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Countblanc posted:i dont want to come across as a cheerleader here so this is the last i'll say of it, but jim made a very conscious effort to have equal representation between men and women (and at least one non-binary identifying individual) as well as racial groups and differently-abled people such as one autistic character and another who is elderly and wheelchair-bound in his game's art as well as in the text, features several homosexual couples, and has an essay in the back where he talks about the importance of representation in the industry. i dont think he meant anything by that I ain't saying he's a bad person, I'm saying that's a bad way to make his argument.
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Arivia posted:My bad, I always get the name wrong. I can't remember what the name is, but Fuego has been nurturing his top comedy idea for years: a fish-out-of-water story about a magical Australian aboriginal who can turn into animals and show white people how to really live while solving crime or whatever. (Keep in mind Fuego is British and white as a sheet.) It's a painfully bad, unoriginal comedy idea that would have been trite in the 1960s, and it fits in right next to Mickey Rooney and the Cleveland Indians on the racism scale. If it helps any, this ALSO sounds like a show that would be on Adult Swim. This sort of argument happens in the Star Trek thread as well. People float ideas for people who are good at science fiction as those who would be good at running a new Trek series. They suggest changes and what to "strip out" of Trek in order to make it better and while doing so completely sail past the idea that Trek is all of these good and terrible things. Star Trek has its own conventions - even more than that, it has its own "feel." Judging a thing (say, Star Trek: Insurrection) based on its quality (not very good) is different that judging it on how much it is Star Trek (a whole loving lot). Dungeons and Dragons is the same way. If you want a Fantasy Adventure Game, you can start stripping things out of (or adding things onto) D&D, but D&D isn't the parts. It's the entire thing.
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Sorry everyone, I was being flippant and didn't consider my use of language before hitting post. I have zero problems with trigger warnings as a serious topic. I honestly didn't realize that using it in a lighthearted matter would come across as badly as it did, and I apologize.
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Jimbozig posted:Sorry everyone, I was being flippant and didn't consider my use of language before hitting post. I have zero problems with trigger warnings as a serious topic. I honestly didn't realize that using it in a lighthearted matter would come across as badly as it did, and I apologize. Apology accepted.
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ProfessorCirno posted:I ain't saying he's a bad person, I'm saying that's a bad way to make his argument. thats fair, my bad Zurui posted:If it helps any, this ALSO sounds like a show that would be on Adult Swim. i think everyone was making a joke - i mean i know i was - which was why Arivia's criticisms, while correct in some/many ways, felt really weird because it just sorta came out of nowhere and felt grimly serious
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Maybe somebody should start a "harsh but true" thread so that creators can put their stuff in it and get solid criticism.
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