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Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Cabinet posted:

Sarus is a literal Trump supporter which makes his proclaimed "socialism" very suspicious imo.

Can't stump the trump

E: Uh 316....in March 2016 the winter season of anims was ending. Highlight of the season was konosuba. Pissflaps was predicting a remain vote. Things happened that were bad for Corbyn.

Namtab fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jul 24, 2016

# ? Jul 24, 2016 03:47

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# ? May 28, 2024 13:06

Vengeance of Pandas: Sep 8, 2008; THE TERRIBLE POST WENT THATAWAY!

Looking at figures funnily enough council housing is one area the coalition did a better job than New Labour.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/live-tables-on-house-building

Looks like Wales and Northern Ireland were the most screwed. Worth mentioning for Scotland that after the SNP got in they not only increased local authority builds but enacted the suspension of Right to Buy in pressured areas with high demand for council houses before stopping it completely. Which I agree with, Right to Buy may have been good in principle but the execution was terrible since they didn't replace the council stock and a large number eventually wound up in the hands of Buy to Let landlords.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 03:51

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

30.5 Days posted:

It doesn't matter who new housing is built for because when the rich people move into their fancy new digs, it frees up their old place, etc. The big problem with luxury housing is not who can afford it, it's that it reduces the efficiency of new units being built during a crunch. So 30k units instead of 60k or more for the same development money.

Anyway the answer to immigration exacerbating a housing shorage is to fix the housing shortage, not to be a huge racist.

Nah lad they just hang on to the old place and rent it out.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 03:55

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Namtab posted:

Can't stump the trump

E: Uh 316....in March 2016 the winter season of anims was ending. Highlight of the season was konosuba. Pissflaps was predicting a remain vote. Things happened that were bad for Corbyn.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 03:56

Vengeance of Pandas: Sep 8, 2008; THE TERRIBLE POST WENT THATAWAY!

Namtab posted:

Nah lad they just hang on to the old place and rent it out.

They're even so generous that they fix the old place up with partitions so you can fit 20 immigrants into a house designed for a family of four easy peasy. God bless those kind hearted landlords doing their bit to end the housing crisis in Britain. :britain:

# ? Jul 24, 2016 04:02

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

How many houses fall down each year?

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:29

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Gort posted:

How many houses fall down each year?

10,610 houses were demolished over 2014-2015 apparently. Source.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:31

30.5 Days: Nov 19, 2006

Namtab posted:

Nah lad they just hang on to the old place and rent it out.

this still adds to the housing inventory dogg

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:34

30.5 Days: Nov 19, 2006

The Saurus posted:

fix the housing shortage and solve income inequality and then we can talk about bringing in immigrants to work and study, preferably from socialist countries and states.

It's not racist to want to delay immigration until issues in your country are dealt with that mean immigration no longer has a damaging impact on you and your loved ones.

With a healthy economy, a government and councils that were expanding affordable housing, and well-funded public services I would have no problem with immigration. If everything is in place, it helps the economy grow without making things poo poo for the native population.

Is it a necessity of government policy that we must always have high immigration, because otherwise the "racist" tag is turned on and that makes us bad?

"We can't stop being racist until everything is fixed"

oh ok

Being a xenophobic gently caress is neither necessary nor sufficient to solve any problem in any country. I agree that racism is a palliative for problems of class, so are loving lottery tickets.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:35

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

30.5 Days posted:

this still adds to the housing inventory dogg

Houses for rent are the Bad housing stock.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:42

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

The Saurus posted:

It's not racist to want to delay immigration until issues in your country are dealt with that mean immigration no longer has a damaging impact on you and your loved ones.

where do you live

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:44

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

coffeetable posted:

where do you live

He moved in America and, if I recall correctly, had a job as a chef which was "stolen" by a Mexican.

So yeah he's a bitter racist who wants to stop immigration until "we figure out what's going on" (I.e never)

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:48

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

He is a drug dealer now, to be quite honest I'd like to reverse his immigration and send The Chavus back to blightly. He belongs in a modern retelling of A Clockwork Orange.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 08:51

Jippa: Feb 13, 2009

"Dan Hodges" and "'The Great Corbyn Myth" trending on twitter, I can't bring myself to click it.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:11

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

The increasingly desperate attempts by rightwing blowhards to try and portray a mild-mannered jam grandpa as some kind of sinister bully would be funny if they weren't so pathetic.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:15

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Jippa posted:

"Dan Hodges" and "'The Great Corbyn Myth" trending on twitter, I can't bring myself to click it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3705171/DAN-HODGES-Reckon-s-nice-decent-bloke-let-dark-menacing-reality-Great-Corbyn-Myth.html

quote:

On those rare occasions that Corbyn directly addresses the cases of harassment or bigotry perpetrated in his name, he falls back on the �few rotten apples argument�, then issues the ritualistic and insincere statement that �I condemn all forms of harassment�.

But where was this harassment and racism when the Tories were conducting their leadership election? Or when Ed and David Miliband were fighting their own fiercely fought contest in 2010? Why is it the rotten apples have all mysteriously appeared in Corbyn�s barrel?

It�s because the soil in Corbyn�s orchard is rancid and polluted. Much has been made in recent weeks of how we are now living in an era of �post-truth politics�, where facts can be bludgeoned to death by a single large and oft-repeated lie.

I... I... This is by far the most embarrassing political text I've ever read. :cripes:

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:19

Pureauthor: Jul 8, 2010; ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

quote:

But where was this harassment and racism when the Tories were conducting their leadership election? Or when Ed and David Miliband were fighting their own fiercely fought contest in 2010? Why is it the rotten apples have all mysteriously appeared in Corbyn�s barrel?

is this quote for real

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:24

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

I thought Dan Hodges had quit Labour and become a member of the Conservatives?

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:42

Robot Mil: Apr 13, 2011

The Saurus posted:

lol

british women are fat ugly disgusting pigs. a pakistani or polish gentleman is more than welcome to them mate

Excuse me? What the gently caress is this?

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:48

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

MiddleOne posted:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3705171/DAN-HODGES-Reckon-s-nice-decent-bloke-let-dark-menacing-reality-Great-Corbyn-Myth.html

I... I... This is by far the most embarrassing political text I've ever read.

Apparently the Heil on Sunday sent an entryist infiltrator into Momentum who spend his entire time trying to provoke people into giving him a good story and then lied and misrepresented what they said when it wasn't interesting enough.

Here's their rebuttal in full https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=298514007160660&id=155710354774360

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:53

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

The Saurus posted:

Actually I've kind of reconsidered on Trump.

He's become a bit poo poo recently

A mile long rap sheet for racism only indicates what an effective tool it is to silence discussion and divergent political views

Thinking racism is an effective tool for such things is exactly what a Nazi would think, btw.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 09:54

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

thespaceinvader posted:

Apparently the Heil on Sunday sent an entryist infiltrator into Momentum who spend his entire time trying to provoke people into giving him a good story and then lied and misrepresented what they said when it wasn't interesting enough.

Here's their rebuttal in full https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=298514007160660&id=155710354774360

they do this kind of poo poo regularly. send someone along to meet students and pay for their drinks all night and then write a hit piece about the students unsurprisingly getting loving shitfaced because drinks are free

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:01

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Robot Mil posted:

Excuse me? What the gently caress is this?

Ignore him. One of the saddest, least self aware and most revolting posters this thread has ever seen

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:03

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

On another note, if y'all want to find out what Ann Black has been saying, I've not been sharing the full text because she's been sending it by email.

However, all her reports are on a public website and she indicates that she's happy for them to be published widely (I really, really hope she means it!) so:

quote:

NEC Update, 22 July 2016

Thank you again for your continued support, it means a great deal. Also for all the messages, most of which are courteous whether they agree or disagree with me, unlike Twitter. I now have 1,000 mails and no hope of answering them individually, so below are some frequently raised issues and a report from the meeting on 19 July. I�m happy for this to be published widely, with my account of the 12 July meeting at

http://www.annblack.co.uk/nec-update-15-july-2016

FAQ Checker

First, it is not true that papers covering the freeze date, the fee, the sign-up period for registered supporters and the suspension of most local meetings were sprung on the NEC on 12 July after some members had left. All papers were available half an hour before the start. Some of us read them, others didn�t. If more members had stayed we could at least have got a later cut-off date for voting in the leadership election.

Second, I referred to feedback before the meeting, and some people ask who I consulted. I have a list of some 8,000 addresses. They include all current and most former CLP secretaries, together with members who have written to me since I was elected to the NEC in 2000. Many forward on to their branches and constituencies. It is not a scientific sample � I have no access to individual membership records � but I have no reason to think that it is biased. More recently I�ve had many mailings on one side or the other, where I cannot tell whether they reflect the extent of feeling or the capacity to mount e-campaigns.

Third, sandwiches. The crates of sandwiches which the media saw being carried into the building were not for the NEC or the staff, but for a group of lawyers on a different floor. The NEC had coffee and biscuits.

Fourth, NEC elections. Members should have received email notification by Friday 15 July and hardcopy packs by Friday 22 July. The deadline for voting is Friday 5 August. If nothing has arrived by Wednesday 27 July please call the membership team on 0345 092 2299. Everyone in membership at 24 June 2016 will be able to vote, and I urge you to do so, whatever your choice.

Fifth, I�ve had a number of questions relating to the above. I�m standing as part of the centre-left grassroots alliance, and as such I am committed to the democratically-elected leadership�s progressive policies. I have therefore voted for Christine Shawcroft, Claudia Webbe, Peter Willsman, Darren Williams, Rhea Wolfson and myself. I deeply regret the current leadership contest at a time when all our attention should be focused on the Tories. However it has now been triggered, and as a member of the procedures committee, responsible for overseeing the election, I cannot endorse or campaign for any candidate.

Sixth, on a different topic some Labour MPs have claimed, again, that the 2015 conference supported renewing Trident. This is not true. Instead, delegates decided not to discuss nuclear weapons at all. So the position remains as agreed by the 2014 conference, which referred to past policy in support of Britain�s nuclear weapons and called for a wide-ranging debate on all aspects of defence going forward.

National Executive Committee, 19 July 2016

However Trident was not even mentioned when the NEC met the day after the parliamentary vote. We started by considering ways to honour Jo Cox through bursaries or other lasting memorials, and to recognise the bravery of Bernard Kenny who tried to intervene, and then moved on to the agenda.

The Chair reported receipt of several motions seeking to overturn decisions made by the NEC on 12 July and re-run much of the debate on procedures. He had ruled these out of order. Arrangements for the contest were already in train, and the NEC standing orders say that decisions cannot be rescinded within three months. This principle is included in model standing orders for local parties, and continually revisiting issues because some people choose to leave early or disagree with the outcome is a recipe for paralysis at every level. I therefore supported the Chair and proposed moving to next business. Sixteen members voted in favour, with 14, including Jeremy Corbyn, against. Meanwhile the party is defending the NEC decision to allow Jeremy Corbyn onto the ballot without nominations from MPs against a legal challenge from Michael Foster, and I hope that the NEC�s authority is upheld in this and in all other respects.

Some questioned whether the procedures committee exceeded its powers in explaining that affiliated supporters must have joined their organisation by 12 January 2016, the same as the cutoff date for party members. The NEC clearly did not intend that affiliates should be used to circumvent the process, and last year the unions focused entirely on asking existing members to affiliate to Labour. In any case the procedures committee has delegated powers, as it did last year. The shadow cabinet had apparently suggested new attempts at mediation after the failure of the Andy Burnham / Debbie Abrahams initiative, and while all of us wish desperately that we were not in this situation, we could not delay indefinitely.

Leader�s Report

Jeremy Corbyn paid tribute to David Hopper, who died suddenly just days after the Durham Miners� Gala. He was reaching out to trade union members at their conferences, and had attended the Tolpuddle Martyrs� Festival, London Pride, the vigil for the victims in Orlando, the anniversary of the battle of the Somme, and an Eid reception. He spoke at dozens of rallies during the referendum campaign, and his so-called holiday was less than 24 hours in Exmouth between events. The results were complex, but particularly in areas of post-industrial decline the vote gave people a free hit to say No to anything that they didn�t like. Immediately after the Leave vote he contacted the party of European socialists. He stressed that Labour was not retreating into an island mentality and wished to continue working on employment and human rights, consumer protection and access to markets. He regretted the increase in hate crime, even in tolerant Islington. While he hoped to restore full gender equality within his shadow cabinet, that did require colleagues who were willing to serve. He welcomed the latest surge in party membership, bringing in expertise which should inform our policy-making, and increasing our campaigning strength on the ground.

Putting Our Own House In Order

He again stated his absolute and total opposition to all forms of abuse, including on social media, and said that all of us should respect other members and different views, a standard which the NEC itself is finding it hard to sustain. So that Labour can be a decent, welcoming party, Jeremy Corbyn had asked Shami Chakrabarti to inquire into anti-semitism and other forms of racism, including Islamophobia. She presented her report, praising Labour for having the courage to examine its own principles and practices. This is at

http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/party-documents/ChakrabartiInquiry.pdf

and NEC members welcomed her recommendations. She made clear that �zio� is among the epithets that no party member should use, and that there is a clear distinction between anti-semitism and criticism of some of the actions of the Israeli government. She proposed that no constituency should be in special measures for more than six months without proper review, that suspension should not automatically be imposed while allegations were investigated, that complaints and disciplinary procedures should have explicit timescales, and that the respective roles of staff and lay members should be clarified.

I agreed with all of these principles, and pointed out that Christine Shawcroft had been excluded from an NEC meeting while suspended for remarks at a public event, despite no obvious threat to herself or others should she attend. An NEC panel is due to visit Birmingham, where several constituency parties have been in special measures for decades, in August. There were questions about whether the national constitutional committee was the appropriate body to consider initial suspensions, and some of the technical aspects of Shami Chakrabarti�s recommended rule changes need detailed consideration, which I hope we can conclude in September in time for this year�s conference.

On the referendum campaign I believed that this had been lost over decades. For the last three Euro-elections, under Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband, the NEC was told not to mention Europe because it turned voters off. In 2005 Tony Blair said that thirty-four per cent of strawberries were picked by Poles, and migrant workers helped to prevent inflation by keeping wage rises down. More recently we were assured, despite protestations, that UKIP would take votes only from the Tories and not from Labour. My view remains that no leader could have made up more than a million votes in a few short months.

There was, however, anger at Jeremy Corbyn�s acknowledgment of the role of Kate Hoey and Gisela Stuart, who consorted with Nigel Farage, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson, and I had many complaints about them during the campaign. In addition his statement on 24 June appearing to call for article 50 to be triggered as soon as possible was not well received. There were reports from across the country of rudeness and worse towards foreigners and those perceived as foreigners, the prospect of Scotland breaking away after a second referendum, and deep anxiety about the disintegrating social fabric. Jeremy Corbyn shared concerns about far right movements in the ascendant across Europe and beyond. He hoped to maintain protection of social, employment and consumer rights, and suggested inviting a delegation from Norway to explain how their arrangements worked. Labour had given unconditional support for the rights of European nationals in Britain, while the Tories were half-hearted because of the position of British citizens living in other European countries. This wasn�t good enough.

Later in the meeting we received breakdowns of the referendum vote in different areas. While turnout among young people was initially reported as low, in fact it was 64% for 18-24 year olds, but for over-65s it was 90% so there is still a large differential.

Be Prepared

Jon Trickett outlined plans for facing a snap general election, noting that Theresa May herself had not ruled this out. Clearly the five-year policy-making cycle goes out the window, and the initial national policy forum (NPF) documents are in specialised areas. We have the 2015 manifesto, but it is a manifesto on which we lost the general election. Further, Brexit has implications for every area, farming, science, higher education, crime and security, the NHS, and economic policy in general, and the NPF meeting scheduled for 2 July could have started work on this if it had not been cancelled.

I questioned, again, whether the NPF, the keystone of policy-making for the last 20 years, actually exists. It has not met for two years. The elected Chair Angela Eagle is no longer on the NEC or the shadow cabinet, and her extensive review seems to have departed with her. Two of the three vice-chair positions have been vacant for more than a year, and most of the frontbench policy commission co-convenors are new to their roles. I had already felt that structures designed for Partnership in Power (PiP) were not suited to Partnership out of Power, where rapid responses to government actions have to take precedence over medium-term plans which will be disrupted by forces beyond our control. I therefore argued that the NEC should step in to fill the vacuum until the NPF is revived, transformed or put to rest. However I would like to include all the hardworking NPF representatives, many newly-elected last year, who have put huge amounts of time and effort into the process.

On campaigning, clearly we would not have organisers and candidates in place in advance. This could be an opportunity to study the effective targeting techniques used by our opponents and whether these were a better investment than five million �conversations�. On selecting candidates, I was told that Unite have agreed a policy on mandatory reselection, but made the point that the party could not conduct more than 600 full selections in a few months. The only realistic course is to ask all the 2015 contestants to stand, and try to fill the gaps where candidates are reluctant to add to personal debts of tens of thousands of pounds, and where MPs retire. If the parliament runs for the full term, selections will take place on new boundaries from 2018 and the NEC has already agreed procedures, including trigger ballots which allow party and affiliate branches to decide whether to hold full selections.

Conference Ahead

Because the NPF reports will not be as comprehensive as usual, I suggested that criteria for contemporary motions should be relaxed so that conference could consider a wider range of topics. This met with a positive response from the general secretary Iain McNicol, though of course the conference arrangements committee, which makes the decisions, is completely independent. The women�s conference will be held on Saturday 24 September, and NEC members hoped that the leadership announcement would not eat into the time. It seems likely that the announcement will be held before the women�s conference, at perhaps 11:45 a.m., though I pointed out that some male delegates might have to pay for an extra night in a hotel and then spend most of Saturday at leisure in Liverpool.

I�d hoped to make more progress on enhancing the role of women�s conference, but this is one of many projects delayed or derailed by the leadership contest. At the moment any woman member can pay �10 and come along, without knowledge or advice from her local party. That contributes to a vibrant, friendly atmosphere. However if the women�s conference gains policy-making powers, a more formal delegate structure is needed for legitimacy, and balancing those two elements needs more thought. If women�s conference sent resolutions straight to annual conference that would create scheduling problems, and the alternative of passing them to the NPF would only work if the NPF exists (see above). I would also like to open women�s conference with a social gathering on the Friday night, rather than have attenders spend six hours travelling for a five-hour event, but that has cost implications for local parties.

And Finally �

The NEC agreed the audited accounts. Membership at 19 July stood at more than 540,000, the highest level since, probably, the 1950s. On Wednesday 20 July the procedures committee was informed that over 183,000 registered supporters had signed up in 48 hours at a cost of �25 each, far more than those who paid �3 last year. The �4 million-plus is clearly welcome, and may just about pay for all the lawyers that we seem to need these days.

AFAICT she still doesn't address the suspensions of certain parties (In particular Brighton & Hove and the annulment of their election) at all, or of all party meetings nationwide in much detail. I've not had an email back from her either, but based on her note of how many emails she receives, I don't really expect to...

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:15

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

Robot Mil posted:

Excuse me? What the gently caress is this?

If only British women had spent more time joining collaborative wikis dedicated to tormenting mentally impaired men, they could have won The Saurus' affection. But alas, British women just don't put that kind of effort in.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:18

StoneOfShame: Jul 28, 2013; This is the best kitchen ever.

The Saurus posted:

I'm an antinatalist, and anyone with their head on straight knows that the planet's birthrate needs to be cut dramatically if the human race has any chance of surviving, coping with climate change and providing a decent standard of living. You'll hear no argument from me on this point.

My wife and I have decided not to have children, it's pretty selfish to do so instead of adopting, I think. Or you'd have to be some kind of nazi retard who wants to create more white brittish children

There are plenty if white British children in need of adoption so even nazis can help! This is something I've always said as well Ibwould adopt over having children of my own anyway. A word of warning though as someone who works with children with learning difficulties in a deprived area, know what you're getting yourself in for. There's a reason a lot of these children are up for adoption and its because they've been taken out of a severely abusive environment they will probably seem fine at the age they're being adopted but the effects can manifest later. There are children needing adoption that weren't abused and the right parents who are prepared can help those that were and undo a lot of harm to them however it requires more than just a stable home and the desire to raise and love a child. The adoption services dont pair parents and children based on the emotional needs of the child and the parents experiences enough and I've seen sad situations emerge from this.

Edit: poo poo I didn't see it was you posting. For you my advice stay away from adopting children their lives are hard enough and I dont want to see them getting more hosed by a nazi piece of poo poo, now for the love of anything please just gently caress off out of this thread you turd. Anyone else thinking of adoption read my advice.

StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Jul 24, 2016

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:51

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

UKMT: Third, sandwiches

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:56

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

I don't know poo poo about parenting, but adoption sounds like hard-mode parenting to me. At least if it's your own kid any fuckups you make are your own and you know what they are, while if you adopt the kid has already been through a trauma (even in the best-case scenario they still have to deal with the stigma of being adopted) and you may not even be aware of all the details.

People who adopt are loving saints.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:58

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Zephro posted:

UKMT: Third, sandwiches

What angle were these sandwiches cut at? It's the only way to really know the socialist credentials of the Labour Party!

# ? Jul 24, 2016 10:58

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

thespaceinvader posted:

On another note, if y'all want to find out what Ann Black has been saying, I've not been sharing the full text because she's been sending it by email.

However, all her reports are on a public website and she indicates that she's happy for them to be published widely (I really, really hope she means it!) so:

AFAICT she still doesn't address the suspensions of certain parties (In particular Brighton & Hove and the annulment of their election) at all, or of all party meetings nationwide in much detail. I've not had an email back from her either, but based on her note of how many emails she receives, I don't really expect to...

I love that she has a specific bullet point for sandwiches.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:05

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

feedmegin posted:

I love that she has a specific bullet point for sandwiches.

Clearly she had a lot of contacts about it.

I know I couldn't have given the tiniest gently caress, but the media made a big snit about it, so...

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:21

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

There's a certain irony to the PLP claiming Corbyn's poll ratings make him unelectable, while the polls putting Owen Smith far, far behind are no reason to doubt his eventual victory.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:24

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Whoever ate the sandwiches made a big poo poo about it.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:27

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

jabby posted:

There's a certain irony to the PLP claiming Corbyn's poll ratings make him unelectable, while the polls putting Owen Smith far, far behind are no reason to doubt his eventual victory.

When people talk about unelectable they mean at a general election not the Labour Leadership contest.

A dog might win crufts, that doesn't make it prime minister material.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:28

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

When people talk about unelectable they mean at a general election not the Labour Leadership contest.

A dog might win crufts, that doesn't make it prime minister material.

Poor analogy, dogs can't govern

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:31

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

jabby posted:

There's a certain irony to the PLP claiming Corbyn's poll ratings make him unelectable, while the polls putting Owen Smith far, far behind are no reason to doubt his eventual victory.

Yes, there is. There's also a certain irony in Corbyn's electoral performances to date being held as unelectable, despite the fact that he's passed every arbitrary electoral test his opponents have set for him, up to and including the EU referendum, and has yet to lose an election he has personally fought.

Unelectable, him.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:32

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

When people talk about unelectable they mean at a general election not the Labour Leadership contest.

A dog might win crufts, that doesn't make it prime minister material.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying one reason they think Corbyn can't win an election is poor polling performance. Owen Smith is polling incredibly badly against Corbyn for leader, but they don't think that means he can't win. Do polls give an indication of the eventual winner or not?

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:34

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

jabby posted:

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying one reason they think Corbyn can't win an election is poor polling performance. Owen Smith is polling incredibly badly against Corbyn for leader, but they don't think that means he can't win. Do polls give an indication of the eventual winner or not?

Please do not engage with Pissflaps.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:35

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

For a start it would be difficult for a dog to raise the money required to run for election

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:37

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# ? May 28, 2024 13:06

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

jabby posted:

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying one reason they think Corbyn can't win an election is poor polling performance. Owen Smith is polling incredibly badly against Corbyn for leader, but they don't think that means he can't win. Do polls give an indication of the eventual winner or not?

Polls provide a snapshot of what people think now.

They think Corbyn must go because he shows no capacity to improve Labour's standing. They presumably support Owen because they think he can increase his popularity, and because there's nobody else to back.

# ? Jul 24, 2016 11:38

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