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blowfish posted:Or wait 20 years till all the olds have died of heart disease and falling down stairs. But then we become the olds 
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Shooting in a shopping mall in Munich? https://mobile.twitter.com/PolizeiMuenchen/status/756527978411094016
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/22/munich-shooting-police-evacuate-shopping-centre-live 9m ago 18:06 Germany’s Muencher Abendzeitung is reporting that up to 15 people have been killed. Again, police have not officially confirmed any casualty figures.
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Jul 22, 2016 18:16
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Orbán just gave a speech endorsing Trump and calling for a moratorium on immigration in Europe, praising Erdogan and also basically saying that Western Europe's political leadership of the EU has failed and they should get out of the way. He wants an EU-wide secret service system to prevent attacks like Munich and says stability is most important.
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Jul 23, 2016 11:36
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I'm gladly willing to pay more taxes so we can get more funding for ESA with the sole purpose of launching that man into the sun.
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Jul 23, 2016 11:41
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Zohar posted:Orbán just gave a speech endorsing Trump and calling for a moratorium on immigration in Europe, praising Erdogan and also basically saying that Western Europe's political leadership of the EU has failed and they should get out of the way. He wants an EU-wide secret service system to prevent attacks like Munich and says stability is most important. Maybe he should google what the secret service actually does.
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Jul 23, 2016 11:43
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He obviously means in the way of intelligence service, not glorified treasury agents.
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effectual posted:Maybe he should google what the secret service actually does.
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Jul 23, 2016 11:51
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effectual posted:Maybe he should google what the secret service actually does. I'm sure he means an agency like the Stasi, Checka, Gestapo, NKVD or KGB, not some glorified bodyguards. Give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Jul 23, 2016 11:56
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Orban and Erdogan should just gently caress and get it over with.
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Jul 23, 2016 12:02
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Honj Steak posted:Shooting in a shopping mall in Munich? Looks increasingly like a Breivik fanboy: https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/756805092209221632
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Well, it was the anniversary of Breivik's attacks...
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Yeah "titkosszolgálat" which literally means "secret service" is just a catch-all term for any intelligence service or secret police, though it is used to translate the name of the US Secret Service as well. The Reuters article below translated it as "intelligence-gathering organisation". Still haven't seen a full transcript of the speech but there is some English-language reporting up now, which unsurprisingly is focusing on the Trump remarks: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-election-trump-orban-idUKKCN1030IC quote:"I am not a Donald Trump campaigner," he said in the televised speech. "I never thought I would ever entertain the thought that, of the open options, he (Trump) would be better for Europe and for Hungary. Apparently the Hungarian government hasn't commented on whether it's a full endorsement of Trump. e: worth noting that the speech was given at the same place where Orbán declared he was building an "illiberal state" 2 years ago Zohar fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Jul 23, 2016 13:32
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Sereri posted:I'm gladly willing to pay more taxes so we can get more funding for ESA with the sole purpose of launching that man into the sun. Launching people out of the solar system is cheaper than launching people into the sun. We must be mindful of these things in the age of austerity. 
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Jul 23, 2016 17:13
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Arglebargle III posted:Launching people out of the solar system is cheaper than launching people into the sun. We must be mindful of these things in the age of austerity. It's a lovely half measure. If you launch him out of the solar system he will ultimately cool down to a few °K and be preserved for millions of years. Chances are high that some day pyjama-wearing communists will find him in space and reanimate him. That's the problem with austerity, it leads to half measures and band-aid solutions that do more damage in the long run.
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Jul 23, 2016 17:34
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waitwhatno posted:It's a lovely half measure. If you launch him out of the solar system he will ultimately cool down to a few °K and be preserved for millions of years. Chances are high that some day pyjama-wearing communists will find him in space and reanimate him. But he is so full of hot air, and believes himself to be the center of the universe to the point he has his own (significant) gravitational pull. He might cause a runaway fusion reaction.
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Pochoclo posted:But he is so full of hot air, and believes himself to be the center of the universe to the point he has his own (significant) gravitational pull. He might cause a runaway fusion reaction. Yes fusion in the Sun would be bad
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catfry posted:Yes fusion in the Sun would be bad It could blow up the Sun.
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Friendly Humour posted:It could blow up the Sun. Serves it right for running a permanent export surplus of photons against the earth.
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Jul 23, 2016 20:38
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The Swabian housewife could tell you a thing or two about tritium ignition.
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So there's been a lot of talk about reevaluating NATO recently on America's side recently thanks to stuff from Trump. But I wanted to hear from the European side what the thought is on NATO. Is there a credible replacement for NATO in the common defense clause of the EU? How would Europeans feel about a mandatory defense spending requirement for an alliance bloc rather than a aspirational goal of 2%? It would give Europeans more of a say in what happens globally, give you more independence from the USA, and allow the US to pare down our own spending the free up funds for social programs. Is there another solution I haven't mentioned that is bouncing around Europe?
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Not part of NATO (Finland), kinda don't wanna be either. But even less would I want for more european integration in the form of some common defence, so better NATO than that. A defensive union of the nordic countries would be a different thing but brussels can gently caress the right off. Absolutely no interest in europe playing on an international level or having military influence either, leave that kind of thing to the US. The few times the pathetic remnants of empire left in europe tried to get involved in global politics rather than keeping at home and build quality goods like they should, it's been disaster.
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Jul 24, 2016 07:05
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IMO Europe should federalise and have a unified structure for finance and defence. Exactly the opposite of what that dude above me said lol.
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Jul 24, 2016 08:24
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There is broad support for an EU army and unified defence policy among European leaders but translating the support in principle to practice has always been difficult. I was in the audience at a meeting of defence policymakers in London a few years ago on the subject and what I heard then was that the civil service in the British defence ministry and other countries were pushing for it but had been stonewalled on account of it being politically difficult. Clearly post-Brexit things are a bit different. Interestingly in the speech by Orbán yesterday he called for an EU army as well. I think the idea that Europe's interventions have always been bad is a bit wrongheaded, in the Iraq War it was very clearly the US (and Britain) doing the stupid things and France and Germany saying the sensible things.
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Jul 24, 2016 08:44
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Zohar posted:I think the idea that Europe's interventions have always been bad is a bit wrongheaded, in the Iraq War it was very clearly the US (and Britain) doing the stupid things and France and Germany saying the sensible things. Spain and Portugal also peddled for the Iraq war, with Barroso and Aznar being the main faces of the build up to the war outside of Bush/Blair.
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Jul 24, 2016 09:31
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UK/France are responsible for that disaster formerly called the state of Libya.
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awesome-express posted:IMO Europe should federalise and have a unified structure for finance and defence. 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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What if those unified structures turn out to be bad and corrupt? It's like you're hoping for "good Czar" to take care of all the problems.
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pigdog posted:What if those unified structures turn out to be bad and corrupt? It's like you're hoping for "good Czar" to take care of all the problems. A pan euro defence organization would at least be large enough to to be effective. Ineffectiveness breeds corruption imo so it would at least have that going for it.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Ineffectiveness breeds corruption imo so it would at least have that going for it. I feel like you're mistaking the cart for the horse.
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Nitrousoxide posted:So there's been a lot of talk about reevaluating NATO recently on America's side recently thanks to stuff from Trump. But I wanted to hear from the European side what the thought is on NATO. - The EU has a common defense treaty, but there is no current threat to any member so nobody gives a poo poo about spending money on common defence. I don't see how this would change if the US was to reduce its defence budget. If NATO was to be dissolved, Europe would have to organize the biggest military reform in post-war history. Most of our militaries are designed to operate within NATO and are not really independent. - I guess mandatory defense spending would be a death blow to NATO. No loving way member states are going to just spend money for the sake of spending money, that's insanity.
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MiddleOne posted:I feel like you're mistaking the cart for the horse. corruption can screw up something which could otherwise be effective, but if something's obviously screwed from the start why would anyone care enough to try to make it work
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awesome-express posted:IMO Europe should federalise and have a unified structure for finance and defence. Europe probably should do that but there is like no chance of that happening anywhere in the near future.
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catfry posted:Yes fusion in the Sun would be bad "runaway" you brexiter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_flash Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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I think such a structure could make sense if there were peer reviews, if other countries could come to Spain and say "lol that's not an army it's a useless cesspool of corruption" that" that would be a good thing. But it would require integration and be unworkable unless the whole external threat got serious, which Russia isnt. So no.
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Pochoclo posted:"runaway" you brexiter alas, once again, I'm defeated by my poor understanding of Hungarian politics
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waitwhatno posted:The EU has a common defense treaty, but there is no current threat to any member so nobody gives a poo poo about spending money on common defence.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Russia exists. Any member that matters.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Russia exists. So does Cambodia, Peru and Nigeria. Not seeing your point here. 
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waitwhatno posted:I don't even know what that means. Is this about the US reducing its defence budget? If so, why does it need to leave NATO for that? Perhaps his initial argument in USPOL may clarify his statement somewhat. Nitrousoxide posted:Large, rich countries like Germany, France, and Italy should provide their fair share to a mutual protection pact. The law firm of Fuch. K. You and Go T. Mine are always ready to help their valued clients. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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