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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce | 44 | 21.36% | |
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress | 19 | 9.22% | |
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin | 9 | 4.37% | |
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit | 8 | 3.88% | |
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died | 24 | 11.65% | |
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread | 17 | 8.25% | |
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter | 15 | 7.28% | |
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming | 2 | 0.97% | |
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy | 10 | 4.85% | |
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union | 5 | 2.43% | |
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die | 25 | 12.14% | |
Total: | 206 votes |
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duckmaster posted:Which means Scotland needs to become a Crown Dependency, except not of the UK because they won't be in the UK. A dependency of the Netherlands or Spain perhaps.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 15:58 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 07:12 |
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Who's up for declaring
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 18:43 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Among EU members, Denmark would clearly be the most appropriate. Not only are there historical links, we bring experience with North Atlantic dependencies to the table. We'd insist on ruining your flag though:
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 23:17 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Among EU members, Denmark would clearly be the most appropriate. Not only are there historical links, we bring experience with North Atlantic dependencies to the table. Denmark seemed pretty miserable while I was there - grey, rained a lot, people all looked glum. Basically it and Scotland would be a perfect fit.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 23:36 |
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Also we're both used to our immediate neighbours being completely unable to understand our crazy accents
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 00:21 |
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Looking forward to Coohoolin writing the relevant additional verse to the buggery on the oresund song.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 02:09 |
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big scary monsters posted:Denmark seemed pretty miserable while I was there - grey, rained a lot, people all looked glum. Basically it and Scotland would be a perfect fit. I was in Copenhagen recently and I rate it "not as nice as Oslo".
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 03:22 |
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While I don't think this is as damning as the Herald wants it to be - using historical papers rather than new analysis isn't itself particularly awful - it definitely smacks of the civil service being given the answer first and told to justify it. 5 days is a ridiculously short amount of time to produce a paper on something like this, and 4 pages to "analyse" a major economic policy is absurd. It also smacks of politicians being blatantly misleading about the strength and quality of the grounds their own argument is based on, but that's a given (see also, "we have taken legal advice") SNP Government analysis behind 50p tax policy branded a 'fiction' quote:ANALYSIS behind the SNP Government’s policy of freezing the top rate of income tax was produced in less than a week and was not based on new research.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 08:32 |
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Niric posted:While I don't think this is as damning as the Herald wants it to be - using historical papers rather than new analysis isn't itself particularly awful - it definitely smacks of the civil service being given the answer first and told to justify it. 5 days is a ridiculously short amount of time to produce a paper on something like this, and 4 pages to "analyse" a major economic policy is absurd. It also smacks of politicians being blatantly misleading about the strength and quality of the grounds their own argument is based on, but that's a given (see also, "we have taken legal advice") Agreed. quote:A 2012 paper by Her Majesty’s Revenues and Customs was also used as part of the review. I remember reading this paper when we were debating the original reduction and there's no reason why it would suddenly be obsolete 4 years later.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 09:25 |
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I think we should head to Mare Devcalidonivm for our next goon meet. The article of 'no poo poo' Surprised they are actually going for it considering what's happened recently. Edinburgh Oil Firm accused of human rights abuses in Africa. New Flavour thanks to the Tories once again showing they have no respect for traditonal value quote:FOR more than 100 years its makers have steadfastly refused to give away details of the secret ingredient in Scotland’s other national drink. And while the recipe will continue to remain a mystery, the makers of Irn-Bru have created a new version of the UK’s third most popular soft drink, the first for 35 years. Alex Rowley saying that he supports another referendum. quote:SCOTTISH Labour’s deputy leader wants independence to be included in a new national conversation on Scotland’s future following the Brexit vote and said he would not oppose a second referendum. Was bound to happen. SNP hits record level with their membership after the EU referendum quote:MEMBERSHIP of the Scottish National Party has soared to more than 120,000 following the EU referendum. Scottish Fishermen are going to get a reality slap after telling the Tories to consider them again in EU talks. quote:Scottish fishermen have warned that they must not be regarded as "expendable" again as Brexit negotiators seek to maintain the UK's trade and economic ties with Europe. The Scottish Fishermen's Federation said Brexit presents "a unique opportunity for the UK to re-establish itself as major fishing nation".Bertie Armstrong, SFF chief executive, described EU membership as "a bad mistake" which brought "serious disadvantage for our fishing industry and coastal communities". Get hosed by a windmill Trump quote:A SWEDISH power company is to invest more than £300 million in building Scotland’s largest offshore wind test and demonstration facility, a project that was fought by US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. Vattenfall said it would now focus on construction of the 11-turbine Aberdeen Offshore Wind Farm project and “help establish the north-east as an international centre for offshore wind innovation”. Trump complained that the development would spoil the view from his golf resort at the Menie estate outside Aberdeen — but he lost a Supreme Court bid to stop it going ahead.
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# ? Jul 23, 2016 13:23 |
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I imagine most people here look at the UKMT, but cross posting anyway as this thread isn't exactly bursting with life!quote:
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# ? Jul 24, 2016 15:26 |
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If Jedit said the SNP were pro independence I'd ask for another source. We got any Indy ref 2 polls?
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# ? Jul 24, 2016 16:11 |
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marktheando posted:If Jedit said the SNP were pro independence I'd ask for another source. If anything, Jedit is being charitable to the SNP there. Decontextualised, the very welcome and necessary council house building, however limited, is still a marked improvement on prior administrations and it's easy to see how and why it's being used to score political points. If you look at overall figures for the sector however, it's much harder to conclude that under the SNP the housing situation has improved. As for polling, the comprehensive What Scotland Thinks (feat. everyone's favourite rock star pollster John Curtice) doesn't appear to have been updated since May. While there's been a couple of polls these were both immediately following the EUref, so I'm sceptical how indicative these are. There's been several polls showing a majority in favour of a second referendum, but that seems to be about it.
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# ? Jul 24, 2016 17:16 |
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STV may be a thing? I mean if the SNP aren't loving about like they usually do.quote:HOLYROOD'S combination of constituency and regional MSPs could be ended under plans due to be debated by the SNP. List of Demands from the Scottish Government over Brexit and a Second Indyref quote:NICOLA Sturgeon will today set out five key Brexit tests that could determine whether Scotland faces a second independence referendum within the next two years. The First Minister will use a major speech in Edinburgh to list the "Scottish interests" she believes must be preserved as the UK withdraws from the Brussels bloc. They include the need to ensure "Scotland's voice is heard and our wishes respected" - a reference to the referendum on June 23 when a majority of Scots voted to remain part of the EU. North Sea oil tycoon Sir Ian Wood says no to second Scottish independence referendum quote:SIR Ian Wood, the North Sea oil tycoon, has urged Nicola Sturgeon not to call a second independence referendum, as the SNP continued to prepare the ground for a re-run of the 2014 vote. The businessman warned Scotland would face a lengthy and uncertain process to join the EU as a member state in its own right and, even then, would enjoy "very little influence" in Brussels. His comments came as the SNP continued to press the case for independence, despite putting a long-promised summer campaign on the back-burner. Barnett? Never knew her quote:THE MP challenging Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership has been criticised for his stance on the Barnett Formula after it emerged he said the funding deal had “seen its day”. Stop right there criminal scum! quote:More than 500 cases have been heard in Scottish courts as a result of the European arrest warrant (EAW), Crown Office figures show. The European Union (EU) justice measure has also seen 367 people extradited from Scotland to face courts in Europe, according to figures obtained by the Scottish Parliament Information Centre (Spice). Considering the history, I wouldn't want my children near Westminister quote:AN SNP MP has been cautioned after taking her two young children into a Westminster committee meeting. Kirsty Blackman was censured by Parliament staff after she was forced to take her four-year-old son Harris and two-year-old daughter Rebecca to a discussion on English Votes for English Laws (EVEL) after being unable to find childcare in London. Not good news for the Australian Family facing deportation quote:AN Australian family who have been battling to stay in Scotland after UK visa regulations changed have been dealt another cruel blow as a second job offer was mysteriously withdrawn a week before their extended grace period expires.And Gregg Brain told The National yesterday: “We are now looking for the proverbial miracle.” SNP making Bojo in his new job harder by calling for a ban of UK arms sales to Saudi Arabia quote:FOREIGN Secretary Boris Johnson has faced calls from the SNP to introduce an immediate embargo on arms sales to Saudi Arabia and to back an international probe into allegations of human rights abuses in Yemen. The UK has licensed more than £2.8 billion worth of arms sales to Saudi Arabia since the Saudi-led bombing of Yemen began in March 2015, and there are fears that smart bombs with laser-guided systems produced in Fife may have been used in attacks on civilians. John Blowin Away quote:CONSERVATION charity the John Muir Trust has lost a major court case against the Scottish Government over a massive wind-farm planned for the Highlands. Three of Scotland’s top judges led by the Lord President, Lord Carloway, overturned an earlier decision by Lord Jones to refuse permission for energy giant SSE to build 67 wind turbines at Stronelairg south of Fort Augustus in the Monadhliath mountains. SSE originally applied in 2012 for planning permission to build 83 turbines at a cost of £300 million near its Glendoe hydro-electric scheme, but was met with a hail of objections, including a strong case against the scheme by environment watchdog Scottish Natural Heritage. SNP call to Protect students from EU states in the exchange program quote:THE SNP has made a fresh call to safeguard the European Union’s student exchange programme after figures showed two Scottish universities were the scheme’s top beneficiaries in the UK. Brexit has put the UK’s participation in the 30-year-old Erasmus programme in doubt, and Glasgow Cathcart MSP James Dornan has called for it to be protected so that students and universities can continue to benefit. Official figures show 462 Erasmus students attended the University of Edinburgh in 2014, and a further 460 went to the University of Glasgow, with the University of Sheffield third on 455. Big Cats! quote:A WOODLAND that straddles the Scottish Borders has emerged as the preferred site to trial the reintroduction to the UK of the Eurasian lynx. After months of consultations, the Lynx UK Trust chose Kielder Forest from a shortlist of five areas, clearing the way for local consultations. Scottish Government to go ahead with collecting test data from new national standardised tests Who knew setting Coal on fire under the sea would cause a lot of pollution except everyone who has common sense An independent review for the Scottish Government has been sent for the news of the previous article Tory MSP facing standards probe I can't access the full article, sorry about that. Refugees are stating the truth about old people and remote islands, this makes the right-wing press unhappy In less politcal news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zoqqCnEVLQ Guy who did the Nazi Pug joke and got arrested for it has an update for us all. He's going to loving court over this poo poo. TAXI! GO AFTER THAT DRAGONITE!
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# ? Jul 25, 2016 16:48 |
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Owen Smith being opposed to the Barnett Formula is hardly surprising considering he's Welsh and we get hosed by it. Though considering how little Welsh politicians ever seem to speak up for Welsh interests and how little Welsh people are interested in politics to realise how much they're getting hosed and actively chose to gently caress themselves even harder in the EU referendum, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a different motivation to his opposition to it.
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# ? Jul 25, 2016 17:21 |
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I'm broadly in favour of STV, but without any details - especially about constituency size and whether they'll be multi member - it's impossible to say anything about the proposal. I've a sneaking suspicion someone has crunched the numbers and figures this will screw labour without changing the SNP's share of MSPs too much, but that's based solely on cynicism. It'll be interesting to see what the electoral reform society say about it. List of Demands from the Scottish Government over Brexit and a Second Indyref SNP call to Protect students from EU states in the exchange program Brexit has to be the SNP PR team's dream come true. That's not a slight; it's just made their job an awful lot easier, since they can basically just list good things we get from the EU and say independence is necessary to keep them. Barnett? Never knew her Barnett puts the SNP (and any Scottish MP) in a slightly awkward position. In terms of speaking for your constituents it makes perfect sense to demand it stays, but it's basically impossible to justify except as FYGM.
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# ? Jul 25, 2016 17:44 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:Owen Smith being opposed to the Barnett Formula is hardly surprising considering he's Welsh and we get hosed by it. Though considering how little Welsh politicians ever seem to speak up for Welsh interests and how little Welsh people are interested in politics to realise how much they're getting hosed and actively chose to gently caress themselves even harder in the EU referendum, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a different motivation to his opposition to it. He probably opposes it because he's centrist/red tory shite.
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# ? Jul 25, 2016 18:22 |
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BBC news for Glasgow and the west of Scotland is a bit, I don't know, morbid today. Aside from the obvious sadness, it does seem a bit weird that the three top stories for a region of 1.5ish million people are just variants on "man dies." Is it really that newsworthy? Man found dead at industrial estate Man dies and boys injured in crash Scot dies in fall from flats in Ibiza EDIT: so here's something else instead: New Report: Scottish Currency Options post-Brexit quote:New Common Weal report argues that an independent currency pegged to Sterling likely to be most advantageous initially for the purposes of confidence and stability, but over long-term flexibility needed Niric fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jul 26, 2016 |
# ? Jul 26, 2016 08:21 |
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http://stv.tv/news/politics/1361855-scottish-labour-rules-out-independence-from-post-brexit-plan/ hosed it.
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# ? Jul 27, 2016 02:12 |
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Statistically she's right, as far as I know.
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# ? Jul 27, 2016 02:15 |
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OwlFancier posted:Statistically she's right, as far as I know. In terms of trading? Yes sort of...at the moment. I no doubt they are including Scottish businesses that work with UK-wide businesses that also work with the EU into that figure too despite the obvious problem once Brexit happens. Plus while trading between ourselves is good, it makes little improvement in the long-run if we can't trade further with Europe easily as we would just be sharing resources and money between inside one soverign nation while the UK pays a lot more for imports from the rest of the world which puts businesses that rely on foreign goods while sharing across the UK in the shitter. And some of our industries like manufacturing, food and drink and financial services also generate a fair amount of income on exporting towards the EU single market more so that will gently caress things up for a lot of people along with the incoming price increase of imports and gently caress it's not even going into places that rely on EU funding to begin with like Universities, research institues and Farmers. There are going to be job losses and cuts like we haven't seen before because bussiness won't have enough money to sustain themselves if a trading partner is gone. This was the most loving stupidest time to state this when you have a few of your MSPs/MEP along with the Deputy of Scottish Labour sharing a vastly diffirent opinion on the matter, that their voters including EU nationals will be changing positions following Brexit and the issues from it and when things are still not clear enough to jump the gun as the Tory Government have still yet to clarify on things. But hey they have a plan! A 8 page plan! A 8 page plan with errors! https://issuu.com/lol0471/docs/brexit_action_plan Some of these proposals are still ambigious in that there's still uncertainty over the coming months so these proposals would just be tarnished if what they want is not going to happen and the 'Brexit Support Fund' just sounds like it's going to risk loaning money to businesses that they consider important but might not generate enough profit in the UK to matter much. There was a reason the EU single market was a thing because if the UK market wasn't enough to sustain them, they at least got a trading partner in the EU to export their stuff to bring back income so that they could get somewhere. And now that public money would be given to private bussinesses when we most likely be experincing tighter budgets, this dosen't sound that great for public services that Scottish Labour don't appear to have talked about much in their plan. Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jul 27, 2016 |
# ? Jul 27, 2016 03:42 |
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Extreme0 posted:This was the most loving stupidest time to state this. This about sums it up really. Labour don't need to say anything about independence at this point since it's not even on the agenda yet and so much about both brexit and independence is hypothetical, so why back themselves into a corner? I did think this was a good point though, and reflective not just of Scottish politics but also of things like the labour leadership debate: quote:"More than one million people voted leave [in Scotland], but the public debate we've been having since the UK voted to leave would make you think we voted unanimously for remain".
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# ? Jul 27, 2016 07:57 |
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Extreme0 posted:In terms of trading? Yes sort of...at the moment. I mean in terms of remain/leave being a particularly strong issue for yes/no voters. As far as I'm aware the EU is largely a non issue as far as yes/no goes, and does not enormously correlate with either position, thus the yes/no decision is still about as accurate as it was before; without anything approaching consensus.
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# ? Jul 27, 2016 21:37 |
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Supreme court rules against named person policy. The judgement itself is even handed, if a little ostentatiously grandiose at times (like the line about totalitarianism), essentially saying that the policy in its current form doesn't comply with existing laws about sharing information, and needs to be reworked. What's been disappointing is the reaction and how desperate and hyperbolic it's been; the SNP trying to spin this as a victory saying the court are endorsing the policy (they aren't: they simply rule on its legality) and screaming about BBC bias on explicitly factual headlines, while opponents are claiming the entire premise of the policy has been judged as unlawful (it hasn't, and it seems likely it'll pass after being reworked). It's a poor reflection of the policy making process in Parliament (and the SNP in particular here), since they should've made drat sure any law was actually compliant with the rest of the law before trying to pass it, but it's a relatively minor issue - policy to be tweaked, not abandoned. It should just never have gotten to this point. Having spoken to social workers I get the impression that professionals tend to thinks the policy is alright in principle, wouldn't actually change very much in terms of practice, and that anyone getting outraged over it doesn't really know what they're talking about (or is trying to score cheap and easy political points). I'm mostly just surprised the SNP let it go this far; they've tended to steer well clear of controversy, and this one in particular is quite a hard policy to defend and easy to attack in simple terms (government snooping on families!!!).
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 11:20 |
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quote:Having spoken to social workers I get the impression that professionals tend to thinks the policy is alright in principle, wouldn't actually change very much in terms of practice, and that anyone getting outraged over it doesn't really know what they're talking about (or is trying to score cheap and easy political points) That's exactly why they're doing it. Since the policy is pretty benign and has the support of charities and professionals working in the field, it makes those opposing it look completely irrational. As soon as you find out that people who understand the issue pretty much unanimously support it, the obvious conclusion is that anyone opposing it is either so blinded by their hatred of the SNP that they either can't assess a piece of legislation on its own merits, or, more interestingly, that they can but are lying about it in order to have a stick to beat the SNP with. Either way, it erodes trust in dissenting voices and means you're more likely to question them rather than the SNP.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 12:06 |
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Most of the parents I know who are aware of the legislation hate it. I don't think it's because they hate the SNP, they just don't like the idea of being watched and judged. I'm not particularly bothered but then I'm really bad at caring about privacy laws anyway.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 12:13 |
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hookerbot 5000 posted:Most of the parents I know who are aware of the legislation hate it. I don't think it's because they hate the SNP, they just don't like the idea of being watched and judged. They aren't being watched though, it simply means that if a kid goes to the hospital one week with a broken arm, goes to scouts with a black eye, and possibly mentions to a teacher that dad sometimes gets angry. The NP would receive this info to determine if there is anything to be concerned about, which they can then report to social services if required. It's completely benign and will hopefully save children from abusive situations that may not otherwise be noticed.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 12:42 |
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keep punching joe posted:They aren't being watched though, it simply means that if a kid goes to the hospital one week with a broken arm, goes to scouts with a black eye, and possibly mentions to a teacher that dad sometimes gets angry. The NP would receive this info to determine if there is anything to be concerned about, which they can then report to social services if required. It's completely benign and will hopefully save children from abusive situations that may not otherwise be noticed. I know, I think it's a good idea (if it actually works like that and kids don't just end up falling through the gaps like they do now). But for whatever reason a lot of parents feel like this amounts to people keeping tabs on them.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 12:49 |
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hookerbot 5000 posted:But for whatever reason a lot of parents feel like this amounts to people keeping tabs on them. The reason is that they are a bunch of zoomers, or that the policy has been deliberately misrepresented by opposition parties.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 12:54 |
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baronvonsabre posted:That's exactly why they're doing it. Since the policy is pretty benign and has the support of charities and professionals working in the field, it makes those opposing it look completely irrational. As soon as you find out that people who understand the issue pretty much unanimously support it, the obvious conclusion is that anyone opposing it is either so blinded by their hatred of the SNP that they either can't assess a piece of legislation on its own merits, or, more interestingly, that they can but are lying about it in order to have a stick to beat the SNP with. Either way, it erodes trust in dissenting voices and means you're more to question them rather than the SNP. I think "unanimously support" is a bit strong. FWIW I work for a children & families charity (albeit a very small one, so we're not all that focused on policy) and my partner is a social worker, and the general impression I get from colleagues and friends in the sector is less "support" in the active sense and more of a tolerance. Precisely because it doesn't change all that much in practice (and potentially means more work) few are claiming it to be a fantastic policy that needs to be rammed through - it isn't bad, but it also isn't exactly a marvellous piece of legislation that people are desperate to have enacted. The opposition I've seen is also less anti-SNP (though obviously there's an element of that) and more a kind of emotive "stop the government meddling in the family!" It's somewhat irrational sure, but also entirely understandable (and predictable) and isn't going to be easily quelled by pointing to the nitty gritty of the legislation. The issue is that the policy (appears to) assert the authority of professionals over families in terms of child rearing, so saying professionals support it isn't a great argument that's likely to sway doubters. Where the SNP definitely can be criticised is in pushing forward with poorly written legislation. Given how predictably controversial the issue is - and has been all the way through the drafting process - it's astonishing that they didn't pore over it to make sure it was airtight from a legal POV. Again, I don't think it's a bad policy, but I'm surprised that such a politically touchy subject hasn't been treated with more care. EDIT: it's also worth mentioning that the policy is arguably a reaction to the fairly constant "social services are failing our children!!!" articles in the Mail etc, designed to add in another layer of oversight as a safeguard. Niric fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jul 28, 2016 |
# ? Jul 28, 2016 12:59 |
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All fair points, especially regarding the poor quality of the legislation. However:Niric posted:The opposition I've seen is also less anti-SNP (though obviously there's an element of that) and more a kind of emotive "stop the government meddling in the family!" It's somewhat irrational sure, but also entirely understandable (and predictable) and isn't going to be easily quelled by pointing to the nitty gritty of the legislation. The issue is that the policy (appears to) assert the authority of professionals over families in terms of child rearing, so saying professionals support it isn't a great argument that's likely to sway doubters I disagree with this, at least to the point where it doesn't really matter whether it is about being anti-SNP or not, since it can so easily be interpreted as such. Not that the Scottish media are helping themselves when they're putting up garbage headlines like " Supreme Court blocks 'totalitarian' Named Person scheme in historic ruling", as the Press and Journal did.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 15:43 |
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It's interesting too because this result can also point to a wider problem with with the Scottish legal system. Given that NP passed the scrutiny of every Scottish court before finally being struck down by the UK Supreme Court. If so, it points to big flaws with legal advice within the Scottish Government, something that has to be examined and rectified, particularly if we vote for independence since I doubt the EU courts will be as forgiving on flawed legislation (See. Minimum Pricing).
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 15:46 |
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Minimum pricing is an interesting case though, since the issue was proving that it was more effective at achieving the goals set out for it than just changing taxation. Given that alcohol duty is reserved, it probably got as far as it did because other courts took that into account, while the ECJ didn't care.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 16:12 |
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Yeah, Minimum pricing probably wasn't the most comparable example, I just hated that ruling so drat much that it immediately sprung to mind
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 16:18 |
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baronvonsabre posted:I disagree with this, at least to the point where it doesn't really matter whether it is about being anti-SNP or not, since it can so easily be interpreted as such. I don't disagree since there's plenty of political point scoring going on (interestingly, it seems to be largely from the Tories rather than labour, although that's just my immediate impression) to be sure, but it's worth noting that the action was brought by a group called The Christian Institute and that the groups supporting the No2NP campaign seem largely family/religion/anti-regulation oriented. It doesn't really seem to me to be driven by party politics specifically is my point; just a bad or misguided understanding of what named person actually means, and in some cases an aversion to social service intervention in family life in general. quote:Not that the Scottish media are helping themselves when they're putting up garbage headlines like " Supreme Court blocks 'totalitarian' Named Person scheme in historic ruling", as the Press and Journal did. The BBC aside, you're right the coverage has been overwhelmingly crap and simplistic, and sometimes downright hysterical. I'd argue it's less anti-SNP and more a media love of claiming to be guardians of liberty (unless the magic "terrorism" word is used), but I realise that's highly debatable. It just annoyed me to see Nicola Sturgeon's spad leaping to criticise the BBC specifically when their coverage has been perfectly fine as far as I can tell. Leggsy posted:It's interesting too because this result can also point to a wider problem with with the Scottish legal system. Given that NP passed the scrutiny of every Scottish court before finally being struck down by the UK Supreme Court. If so, it points to big flaws with legal advice within the Scottish Government, something that has to be examined and rectified, particularly if we vote for independence since I doubt the EU courts will be as forgiving on flawed legislation (See. Minimum Pricing). This is a really good point, and seems indicative of either a slapdash, arrogant, or overly parochial approach to the law. It seems like the blame should rest, at least in part, on the Scots legal profession as a whole, or at least the parts giving high level advice and judgements, rather than government, though you could make the argument they're responsible for not getting better advice It definitely wouldn't surprise me if Scots law is a particularly insular and self-regarding profession compared to elsewhere, but I really don't know enough about the contemporary legal scene - or how the law works in general - to have an informed opinion.
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 16:57 |
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Having just been rude about Scottish lawyers, it's only fair to point to this very clear and clear-minded blog post on the ruling from, er, a Scots lawyer (also props to whoever suggested following @peatworrier).
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# ? Jul 28, 2016 17:26 |
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Just one last thing on Named Person, in case anyone isn't thoroughly bored of it yet. Here's an email I received this morning (technically it was sent yesterday, but it was after 5pm...) from Children in Scotland, the main umbrella organisation for the Children & Early Years sector, which might be of interest to anyone following the story. It essentially just summarises the judgement, but reading between the lines and the non-committal mandarin speak I think you get a feel for the general professional consensus; basically no real problem with Named Person policy and acceptance that it's going to go ahead. There's no element of "the Government needs to rethink...", it draws attention to how elements of the legislation are only incompatible with EU law "at present" (all emphasis is from the original), and doesn't challenge the assumption that the policy is going to get rolled out:quote:INFORMATION FOR CHILDREN IN SCOTLAND MEMBERS
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 10:50 |
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Right to Buy in Scotland Scrapped The obvious rears it's head Farmers wish they had planted a money tree Bank Chief says Scotland makes a great place to save habour all that mone- I mean firms A list of options relating to Indy from Open-democracy Surprise! The right-wing press are in fact assholes and liers and the bear shits on the pope Scottish Government welcomes the new stock exchange so that it can prepare food better Shock! In response to North Sea job losses, Scottish Greens urge widespread renewable engineering! Ministers seek views of public on how to make Scottish social security “fairer” One in Three Scots are being smart quote:Almost a third of voters want to wait until the UK's deal with the European Union (EU) is clear before deciding whether to hold another independence referendum, according to a new poll. Scottish Councils failing to implement surveillance laws quote:The Office of the Surveillance Commissioner (OSC) inspects Scottish councils to check whether council officials are acting within the law when they conduct surveillance activities. The inspection reports are not routinely made public, but The Ferret used Freedom of Information laws to obtain more than 180 pages of recent reports and correspondence that councils have had with the Office of the Surveillance Commissioner. These source materials are published in a fully searchable database today on our website. A lot of obvious news as of today quote:INDEPENDENCE will be back at the heart of this autumn’s SNP conference after it was controversially absent from the party’s main conference last year. Henry Mcleish suggests an Independent Labour Party in Scotland...again quote:HENRY McLeish has called on Scottish Labour to cut its ties with London, arguing that an independent party north of the Border is now “essential”. Cat Headley is a loving moron, it's not the scottish parliament you fuckless titwit. Top Labour Economic adviser backed the Yes Campaign quote:A TOP economic adviser to Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has been revealed as a campaigner for Scottish independence before the 2014 referendum. The Common Weal has a list of potential currency options quote:AN independent Scotland should create its own currency pegged against Sterling to retain political and monetary sovereignty, a new paper claims. Angus Robertson says Get Angry please quote:SCOTS who supported staying in the Union in the independence referendum are right to feel “cheated and betrayed”, said Angus Robertson as he launched his bid to become depute SNP leader. Another Indy March In Glasgow, Gawd these bigots never let up. They should follow a good example of a march done right quote:A WEEKEND March for Independence could be a landmark for the Yes movement, organisers claim. No https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/758701132382400513
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# ? Jul 29, 2016 19:46 |
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Who the gently caress is being polled there?
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Looks like Indyref 2 is dead for the time being. Tomorrows Herald has YouGov showing No at 53% and Yes at 47%. Turns out the SNP's caution was justified. Brexit here we come EDIT: And for those who think that EU membership will affect anything. The poll also found that 55% of Scots would prefer to remain in the UK outside of the EU, as opposed to the other way round. Leggsy fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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