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disjoe posted:"According to people who spoke with her, when she sensed Obama was considering replacing her as chair in 2013, she began to line up supporters to suggest the move was both anti-woman and anti-Semitic." And now she's got both gunning for her! Well played!
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Joementum posted:That the DNC, which she's in charge of, was cooking up anti-Bernie plots, despite her many public assurances that wasn't the case. The party needs to show that its committee isn't going to tolerate that type of behavior going forward. But I thought this Dacey person was in charge. Who is this Dacey person then? e: I guess I thought since she was CEO she was in charge, though now that I think about it I don't know why I thought that Zanzibar Ham fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Deified Data posted:I've been thinking - what are the odds that Trump just doesn't do any debates? If he claims he's being mistreated or whatever like he did during the primaries and he just chooses not to acknowledge them? He knows he can't "win" them on equal footing because he simply doesn't know the issues, so it seems to me like the practical course for him is to just not go. His supporters will buy into whatever petty excuse he offers and I don't see him losing any support over snubbing the debates. I've been wondering this myself, and the conclusion I've reached based on no real evidence whatsoever is that he'll show because he thinks it'll be a walk in the park and he can slam the poo poo out of Hillary like he did the republicans during the primary with no blowback at all. Underestimating Trump's arrogance is a losing proposition.
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Ditocoaf posted:Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters, both those that have gotten onboard with Clinton and those that hate her, all joining together for a common cause of "nope, bye DWS, won't miss you." It's going to be beautiful. Word is that no one really liked DWS, Obama tried to fire her and she circled the wagons by preemptively saying that canning her would be seen as sexist and anti-semetic, Clinton liked her in the sense that they're both on the same team and want to bear republicans but not beyond that and made plans to replace her after the election, and Sanders has endorsed her primary opponent. DWS is actually universally despised.
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Cythereal posted:Kaine is also a demonstrated devout Roman Catholic who nevertheless draws a line between his religious beliefs and what he believes is the best civic governance, which has impressed a lot of theologically liberal Christians I know. sounds like mario cuomo's abortion speech at notre dame, doesn't it
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's ironic that in a decade the US might become more of a progressive place than the usual places that progressives love to brag about like Scandanavia. You have awful high hopes for Donald Trump.
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DWS is a total bag of poo poo. Full stop.
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Cythereal posted:Kaine is also a demonstrated devout Roman Catholic who nevertheless draws a line between his religious beliefs and what he believes is the best civic governance, which has impressed a lot of theologically liberal Christians I know. That he speaks Spanish is also a significant boost for Latin-Americans looking for a reason to vote for the Democrats rather than voting against Trump. Yeah, both my wishy-washy semiliberal semireligious parents, and my sister who's been big in with the subsection of bernie supporters who bought into all the right-wing hillary smear jobs they heard about, are all on board for Kaine's "religious but believes it's important to keep that out of governing" bit. I'm more impressed with this VP pick the more I hear about it. Maybe it's calculated messaging, but it's working.
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VanSandman posted:I've been wondering this myself, and the conclusion I've reached based on no real evidence whatsoever is that he'll show because he thinks it'll be a walk in the park and he can slam the poo poo out of Hillary like he did the republicans during the primary with no blowback at all. I can see him showing for the first debate expecting a slam dunk on Crooked Hillary and then snubbing the rest when he realizes he'll be expected to answer actual questions. He'll cite mistreatment and bias from the moderator and his supporters'll eat it up.
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citybeatnik posted:Who was it that did that anyway? I'm picturing either a solo practitioner (who tend to be loopy to start with) or a small firm. Just curious if my instincts were right. Here's their Facebook. I don't know enough about the firm to make any broader statements besides what I already said based off their Facebook page. They don't appear to be a particularly large firm, it looks like they only have one office. The Facebook is great because if you watch the videos you can learn a reasonable amount about the basic legal process by watching the videos Jared puts out. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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it's bash at the beach '96 all over again Debbie Wasserman Schultz has joined the nwo
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Deified Data posted:I can see him showing for the first debate expecting a slam dunk on Crooked Hillary and then snubbing the rest when he realizes he'll be expected to answer actual questions. He'll cite mistreatment and bias from the moderator and his supporters'll eat it up. depends on how much the moderator will put up with his poo poo, really good moderators who actually do their jobs are hated by republicans
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theblackw0lf posted:https://twitter.com/khinman/status/757275638080212993 She has to know she's completely toast at this point, with both Bernie and Hillary set against her and those emails available for everyone to read. Like, what is she thinking here?
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Doesn't matter that everyone hates her as long as she has a title to justify her mediocre existence? At this point she should just be triangulating a spectacular flare out blame resignation in exchange for being the Ambassador to France or someshit j. Hillary's cabinet. Deified Data posted:He'll cite mistreatment and bias from the moderator and his supporters'll eat it up. The bigger question is how the moderator will handle his bullshit endless word salad. I've always wanted to see someone get their mic cut at a Presidential debate. Then the GOPundits will go batshit over a moderator actually telling him to keep on time/on subject. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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Jul 24, 2016 19:45
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UV_Catastrophe posted:She has to know she's completely toast at this point, with both Bernie and Hillary set against her and those emails available for everyone to read. Assuming that this isn't kabuki she might have gotten the idea that her position was way more secure than it evidently is.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/dnc-wikileaks-emails/index.htmlquote:Democratic leaders are scrambling to keep the party united, but two officials familiar with the discussions said Wasserman Schultz was digging in and not eager to vacate her post until after the November elections. More juicy info at the link
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A Winner is Jew posted:Word is that no one really liked DWS, Obama tried to fire her and she circled the wagons by preemptively saying that canning her would be seen as sexist and anti-semetic, Clinton liked her in the sense that they're both on the same team and want to bear republicans but not beyond that and made plans to replace her after the election, and Sanders has endorsed her primary opponent. if she's so unloved, how did she end up in charge anyway?
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Jul 24, 2016 19:48
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FilthyImp posted:If the first debate was a Town Hall style I could see him doing ok as far as gladhanding to the audience. Until he gets a minority/woman calling him on his poo poo. I sometimes wish mic-cutting was just an automated procedure at these debates -- your mic is active during your speaking time, when the clock runs out nobody can hear you. Make candidates actually attempt to stick to the timer. But then we wouldn't get things like "please proceed", so, nah.
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Oxxidation posted:Assuming that this isn't kabuki she might have gotten the idea that her position was way more secure than it evidently is. Considering she always gave me the vibe of an "I'd like to speak to a manager" person I wouldn't doubt she thinks she's way more self important than she really is.
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Reason posted:I have an actual politics question that applies to the rise of trump(tm). Do people think that xenophobia and racism and bigotry are on the rise in the US and abroad? Has Trump given legitimacy and voice to people who were kind of pigeon holed and ridiculed? Or is the media just playing it up because its getting ratings and air time? I don't think (in the US at least) that xenophobia and racism are getting stronger but they are getting more concentrated as the filters which previously kept it to private closed room rants between a few like minded people have been demolished by a combination of the shattering of media and the ease by which online communities can self sort. Trump is just a raging narcissist who stumbled upon a guaranteed way to get his fix and has been spamming it as much as possible ever since, similar to an alcoholic who figured out that people in a certain bar would buy him drinks if he ranted about black people. That isn't to say that we shouldn't be concerned about it. Places like 4chan, Reddit, and Twitter have given racism and bigotry a way to speak with a new louder voice, and economic stagnation for the working and lower middle classes leaves a lot of people angry and ripe for recruiting.
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Oxxidation posted:Assuming that this isn't kabuki she might have gotten the idea that her position was way more secure than it evidently is. well there was the whole implied "anti-woman anti-jew" threat thing she had as a security net it wasn't as helpful as she thought though when a whole lot of people got real mad and Hillary akido-deflected the force directly at her, and it holds up spectacularly because it is actually her fault. it's like trying to stop a train with a fishing net.
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AriadneThread posted:if she's so unloved, how did she end up in charge anyway? That job is really thankless to the point of most people not wanting it and mostly about fundraising which she is admittedly good at.
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FilthyImp posted:Until he gets a minority/woman calling him on his poo poo. He'll lie his way through it like he always does. "Minorities/Women love me, I have great approval ratings among Minorities/Women. I have tons of close friends who are Minorities/Women and I would be the greatest president for Minorities/Women."
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UV_Catastrophe posted:She has to know she's completely toast at this point, with both Bernie and Hillary set against her and those emails available for everyone to read. She strikes me (based entirely on circumstantial evidence) as the kind of person willing to burn this whole thing down if she feels mistreated.
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AriadneThread posted:if she's so unloved, how did she end up in charge anyway? Likely to same reason Pence is Trump's running mate: no sane person wanted to do it.
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theblackw0lf posted:https://twitter.com/khinman/status/757275638080212993 In my head, this meeting is just Obama, Hillary and Bernie sitting across a table from DWS, taking turns saying "you're out" every time she tries to say something.
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How did DWS get to be chair of the DNC to begin with? What was her power base? Efb
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whydirt posted:How did DWS get to be chair of the DNC to begin with? What was her power base? I mean why are people talking up the power of the position when her counterpart is loving Priebus?
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Spacebump posted:If you find that, you save it until late September/early October or one day before a debate. Super PACs can release it the day before the foreign policy debate, ensuring that the moderators bring it up since it'd be all over the news. Shimrra Jamaane posted:How is Kaine a bad pick again? He's not. If he was the candidate he'd probably be polling even better against trump than Hilary because of the lack of baggage and 20+ years of GOP-lead propaganda. Radish posted:So when people were bitching that Bernie was going to drag down the party because of personal hubris, I think this is what that really looks like. DWS being defiant while Hilary and Bernie are united and tell her to get the gently caress out isn't going to drag down the party.  disjoe posted:No poo poo. And now the two loudest voices who will call for her to be tossed on her rear end are a woman and a jew. Can't wait to see what sort of poo poo she tries now. Though if it results in a lot of Clinton/Sanders unity stuff I'm down with that. Between those two as well as Obama's known dislike of her DWS could be isolated pretty heavily and if she carries on like this she's going to get shut the gently caress out by the DNC in any future elections too.
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FilthyImp posted:Doesn't matter that everyone hates her as long as she has a title to justify her mediocre existence? Pfft what do you think this is, the UK?  - one of the main brexit ringleaders and literally the current Foreign Minister, appointed out of spite so he can't run away from the shitheap he's made, Boris Johnson.
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icantfindaname posted:so wait is this idea that bernie supporters/leftist insurgents in the Dems are actually Putinist agents, really being made a thing by Hillary people? I've seen that Wikileaks are Putinist agents, haven't seen where bernie supporters/leftist insurgents in the Dems are Putinist agents.
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icantfindaname posted:so wait is this idea that bernie supporters/leftist insurgents in the Dems are actually Putinist agents, really being made a thing by Hillary people? I'm pretty sure Hilary's team is referring to the fact that Trump's campaign manager has a history with Putin or his toadies. In addition to Trump himself having a lot of Russian investment over the last few years.
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Yinlock posted:wasn't Kaine's entire "pro-bank" thing that he wants to change it so they have to report monthly instead of weekly or something, such deregulation No it's more nuanced than that which is kryptonite to bernouts. He wanted to ease the insane reporting requirements on credit unions and regional banks to weekly or monthly instead of the daily reporting that high-risk investment banks have to do.
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Reason posted:Here's their Facebook. I don't know enough about the firm to make any broader statements besides what I already said based off their Facebook page. They don't appear to be a particularly large firm, it looks like they only have one office. Looks like a husband and wife team with around 25 years of experience between them but yeah, small boutique firm with some solid history. Not familiar enough with stuff outside of Texas to really comment any further.
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icantfindaname posted:so wait is this idea that bernie supporters/leftist insurgents in the Dems are actually Putinist agents, really being made a thing by Hillary people? No, that accusation was (correctly) thrown at WikiLeaks. The leaked emails just happened to support a certain narrative.
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icantfindaname posted:so wait is this idea that bernie supporters/leftist insurgents in the Dems are actually Putinist agents, really being made a thing by Hillary people? No, it's that Trump is Putinist since his number 1 guy is Manafort, who ABSOLUTELY is a Putinist.
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icantfindaname posted:so wait is this idea that bernie supporters/leftist insurgents in the Dems are actually Putinist agents, really being made a thing by Hillary people? That's actually a valid line of attack on Trump, since Manafort's closet is looking a bit cramped. Nobody's directed the accusation at the bros though.
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disjoe posted:She strikes me (based entirely on circumstantial evidence) as the kind of person willing to burn this whole thing down if she feels mistreated. What's she gonna do, publish more emails?
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Pastrymancy posted:What's she gonna do, publish more emails? I don't think she can do jack poo poo other than try to turn into the Democrats' own Ted Cruz. But nobody likes her in the first place so it'll probably unify the party more than divide it.
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