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Gideon020
Apr 23, 2011
Ah hell, I forgot to put in my username with my meatbag's application. :blush:

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Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.

Godnnelg posted:

I paid the 25 intel cost to reveal the 3rd event.

Man you aren't kidding...



Still salvageable.

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP

Godnnelg posted:

I paid the 25 intel cost to reveal the 3rd event.

Man you aren't kidding...



gently caress, okay you win, thread over, go home everyone.

Or keep it up, that is amazing.

km2
Jul 27, 2012

Jade Star posted:

gently caress, okay you win, thread over, go home everyone.

In before the thread lock!

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Godnnelg posted:

I paid the 25 intel cost to reveal the 3rd event.

Man you aren't kidding...



Which one do you prevent, which two do you let through?

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.
True story, JAIDS has been going on for the past two nights and doesn't look like it'll be solved for a while still. It'd be fine if Hitler happened, so keeping Guava's dignity intact would be the correct choice here.

Operation Guava's Moment

(yes that is a potential thing in the Op name list Jade has)

CoffeeQaddaffi
Mar 20, 2009

Lunethex posted:

True story, JAIDS has been going on for the past two nights and doesn't look like it'll be solved for a while still. It'd be fine if Hitler happened, so keeping Guava's dignity intact would be the correct choice here.

Operation Guava's Moment

(yes that is a potential thing in the Op name list Jade has)

I don't know nearly enough about these games to justify guest commentating, so :rip: Guava's dignity I guess.

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP
Okay. so.. things are progressing... there are minor, very minor, problems with the next updates. VERY MINOR! totally under control...

Also I'm just going to start up a new save file with the big SA goon pool and play a campaign on my twitch stream because I need to play more X-Com while actually relaxing and not worrying over how OBS may have introduced some minor, very minor audio desync into two videos.

So if you want to watch and maybe make a second chance at appearing in the great big jade goon pool, you can watch here - http://www.twitch.tv/sa_jadestar

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Jade Star posted:

Okay. so.. things are progressing... there are minor, very minor, problems with the next updates. VERY MINOR! totally under control...

Also I'm just going to start up a new save file with the big SA goon pool and play a campaign on my twitch stream because I need to play more X-Com while actually relaxing and not worrying over how OBS may have introduced some minor, very minor audio desync into two videos.

So if you want to watch and maybe make a second chance at appearing in the great big jade goon pool, you can watch here - http://www.twitch.tv/sa_jadestar

Tuned in just in time to see the horns.aiff moment with the name list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-GaXa8tSBE

zyxophoj
May 24, 2014

Godnnelg posted:

Man you aren't kidding...



Ha ha ha that is why it's usually a good idea to reveal the last event. :D


Rick_Hunter posted:

I'm still :laffo: at "Ayyliens"

I can't take credit for "Ayyliens". I started with a screenshot from my own game, and forgot I had this very special mod running.

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

RIP all the techs.

The Aliens in Jade's game are literally JAIDS.

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP
Good thing i streamed that to find all of the poo poo that broke. Like the mission names, and all of the mods that aren't voice packs. No idea what caused everything to start breaking down.

Talow
Dec 26, 2012


Jade Star posted:

Good thing i streamed that to find all of the poo poo that broke. Like the mission names, and all of the mods that aren't voice packs. No idea what caused everything to start breaking down.

Perhaps you should of stopped the JAIDs hack instead of the Hitler Happens event.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

Jade Star posted:

Good thing i streamed that to find all of the poo poo that broke. Like the mission names, and all of the mods that aren't voice packs. No idea what caused everything to start breaking down.

Stop having JAIDs

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
JAIDs, JAIDs never changes.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

zyxophoj posted:

Ha ha ha that is why it's usually a good idea to reveal the last event. :D


I can't take credit for "Ayyliens". I started with a screenshot from my own game, and forgot I had this very special mod running.

I always laugh at the crit message in this. :allears:

Kaboom Dragoon
May 7, 2010

The greatest of feasts

zyxophoj posted:


I can't take credit for "Ayyliens". I started with a screenshot from my own game, and forgot I had this very special mod running.

IIRC that replaces the sword attack with RULES OF NATURE, as well it should :colbert:

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves
Just watched the VOD of the JadeStream featuring GoonCom soldiers. :black101: Brutal time for poor Jade.

The big lesson we learn't here is that the AI director knows when you put too many soldiers in a cluster, and will use explosives on them; for some reason it appears to preference this when they are on roofs or other easily destroyed platforms that will lead to fall damage:

In .gif form! :megadeath:



Edit 2: Question, I didn't realize the Resistance armour was an actual equip-able and not just a prop. Are there Resistance models of the higher tier armours too?

Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 24, 2016

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe

Godnnelg posted:

I paid the 25 intel cost to reveal the 3rd event.

Man you aren't kidding...



Real talk, is there a skull-splosion graphics mod for this game?

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

IMJack posted:

Real talk, is there a skull-splosion graphics mod for this game?
A quick search of the Steam Workshop indicates that there isn't.

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP
How did that grenade even detonate on the underside of the ceiling?!

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Jade Star posted:

How did that grenade even detonate on the underside of the ceiling?!

caught on a support beam, clearly

Zomborgon
Feb 19, 2014

I don't even want to see what happens if you gain CHIM outside of a pre-coded system.

Jade Star posted:

How did that grenade even detonate on the underside of the ceiling?!

Mad grenade cook skills?

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

Jade Star posted:

How did that grenade even detonate on the underside of the ceiling?!

It was a sticky grenade.

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP


Operation Sleeping Throne Room

I'll preface this with a warning that the JAIDs is coming. I talk about what went wrong a bit in the video, but this video may not be as high quality as previously. As I mentioned FRAPS is now having issues and I used a different recording method with out getting all the settings perfect. The mission portion of the video was recorded in 720p and may be a little lower quality than usual. This is fixed by next video, sorry about that. But like Guava says, it's a Jadestar LP, you're lucky you don't somehow get cancer by watching this.

Retaliation missions are the new Terror missions. They play out almost the same with the same sort of mechanics to worry about. Namely rescuing civilians before they are all murdered by the aliens. There is no hard turn timer like most other missions but a good rule of thumb to keep in mind is that the aliens will kill one civilian as long as there is a alien pod untriggered and roaming around in the shroud. This generally means you have to be quick with things. You can optionally choose to seek out the aliens and deal with them before they can kill all the civilians or you can move out and rescue the civilians yourself and deny the aliens the ability to kill enough of them to cause a mission failure. Retaliation missions can play out very differently from each other solely based on where the civilians are and map lay out. Sometimes you may be able to rescue 6 civilians in short order at the start of the map which will give you a lot of breathing room to take things slower and safer. Sometimes you may barely find any and need to rush forward to either find civilians or find the aliens and stop them first.

A big new wrinkle to the retaliation missions is the new alien unit Faceless. Faceless are huge jerks that are disguised as civilians and will transform when you get too close. On their own they aren't so bad, they only melee attack and for rather low damage. The big problems that come with faceless is when they transform and swipe at you while you are busy dealing with other aliens. Notably their swipe will destroy cover in a small area of effect potentially leaving a wounded soldier exposed and vulnerable for other aliens to pick off. Faceless are the most difficult to deal with early on in the game when soldiers have low health and ballistic weapons may take several shots to drop the 10hp monsters. Once the first armor and weapon upgrades are equipped they become pretty tame. There are ways to detect faceless ahead of time as well, battle scanners and the specialist ability Scanning Protocol will reveal faceless. Lastly any faceless left disguised once all other aliens are killed will drop their disguise and rush at you. This isn't really threatening at the end of the map and is more of a convenience thing rather then having to hunt them down and check every civilian left on the map. So good thinking there Jake.

Jade Star fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 24, 2016

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Aw, it's still processing.

Krumbsthumbs
Oct 23, 2010

2nd Place.
1st Loser.
Faceless are how I learned that corners don't hold up buildings anymore, since one took a swipe at someone on the 2nd floor of one, collapsed the building and the soldier fell to their death.

Farewell unlucky sharpshooter, you deserved better.

apostateCourier
Oct 9, 2012


You're welcome, Jade. I'll keep an eye out to see if I need to save the LP again.

Tylana
May 5, 2011

Pillbug
Faceless are why cars are bad cover.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

I am trying to understand why the assault rifle repeater looks more like a silencer attachment. No better design option, I guess?

Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS
Grimey Drawer

Jade Star
Jul 15, 2002

It burns when I LP

AradoBalanga posted:

I am trying to understand why the assault rifle repeater looks more like a silencer attachment. No better design option, I guess?

I cant remember if it was guava or someone in the stream last night that pointed out how much they look like silencers too. I think they put forth the idea that maybe they were intended to be silencers and have some sort of impact on the concealment mechanics but got dropped for some reason. It seems like a pretty plausible idea. I may have to tweet Jake about it.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Both Ciaphas and Alessandra out for a week and change with even more Plot coming? Oh boy. Especially given that Alessandra's the only sniper on the roster so far.

Still, at least it was faceless and not chryssalids.

Tylana
May 5, 2011

Pillbug
I always assumed they were some weird quantum device that summoned extra bullets or something. What they are/howtheywork/whytheyarerandomlyactivated is still super weird to me.

Any thoughts on Aid Protocol? Or did I just blink and miss that discussion on video?

zyxophoj
May 24, 2014
GoonCom beat the first TerrorRetaliation mission. Barely.

One nice little touch is that civilians have names now. Losing "Yekatarina Morozova" hurts so much more than losing "Civilian". If they have names, they must be important.

I think Jade got screwed slightly by the timing here. The first retaliation happened about 5 minutes into the second month. One enemy type which can't appear until the second month is... stun lancers! Oh, how we love these enemies. We love how they can double-move-charge in on our soldiers, and then make an attack that doesn't care about cover and is capable of incapacitating a solder regardless of how many HP they have. And yet Jake thought that that on its own wasn't enough bullshit so he gave them some dodge. :xcom: Lancers are not so bad later on in the game, but having to deal with them this early can be painful.

A fun little detail: although cover can't help you, suppression can. This is because the "dash and bash" maneuver all counts as a single attack and the game calculates its probability of hitting when the action is started - while suppression is still in effect. In principle, the lancers could mitigate this by splitting it into a move followed by a 1-move dash-and-bash. In practice, they don't do that. Another little quirk is that if, during the charge, something happens to the lancer that takes away its melee ability (getting set on fire, for example), then the attack is aborted. Meaning the lancer just made a double move for free and it still has its two actions to move again and shoot. Wonderful. (Hmm. Now that I come to think of it, could XCOM trigger the same effect on purpose by pathing a dash+slash through a fire? I need to test that.)

The autopsy mechanic is rather odd. Despite the game saying it's "experience in battle", it's just the number of corpses in storage that affects the autopsy speed. So in general you should never do an autopsy unless it's free or you need the results in a hurry. Instant autopsies is one reason why I'm a big advocate of triggering reinforcements on purpose in missions where you get to keep the corpses you make. Although you need a lot of corpses to do an instant autopsy, only one corpse is consumed. I guess Tygan just needs to look at the corpses or something.

In the case of the faceless, I would always do the autopsy when I have 3 corpses - 1 for the autopsy itself and 2 to build a mimic beacon. Despite the nerf, those things are still insanely good.

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:
I would nickname Cain, "Face Slapped"

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

I've pretty much always gotten a retaliation mission in the second month of a fresh campaign, so :shrug:

I've also had enemies on retaliation missions (and defend the point missions) ignore my exposed soldiers and shoot at civs and mission targets. The AI is weird sometimes.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

It's not too surprising the Sniper got hurt when Jade put her in sight range of the enemy and in half cover. I believe the AI sometimes prioritizes hitting Snipers when they get the chance, since they often don't get the chance. Cause the Sniper should never be in sight range of the enemy.

Aah, the amount of times a Stun Lancer has dashed out from the fog to 6 crit knock out my soldier. Beautiful.

Also, Legendary can be fun... when you find Commander isn't doing it for you anymore. It's Impossible that's a pile of luck garbage.

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jul 24, 2016

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

The sweetest thing is having a lone faceless take a swipe at your soldier, obliterate all of the cover around them, and completely miss your guy. Feels very dramatic.

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AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Jade Star posted:

I cant remember if it was guava or someone in the stream last night that pointed out how much they look like silencers too. I think they put forth the idea that maybe they were intended to be silencers and have some sort of impact on the concealment mechanics but got dropped for some reason. It seems like a pretty plausible idea. I may have to tweet Jake about it.
If that was the original idea for that weapon mod, my best guess as to why it got dropped is that slapping a silencer on a gatling gun would be too silly, even for X-COM.

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